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Jul 24, 2019 7:33:18 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Jul 24, 2019 7:33:18 GMT -8
The one time I visited the Smithsonian, they had a Mercury capsule suspended from the ceiling. That was really something. My memory of the Gemini is not as clear, but I believe it was displayed on the floor.
I think these two objects along with the Spirit of St. Louis made the visit for me.
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Jul 24, 2019 7:48:44 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2019 7:48:44 GMT -8
Couldn’t have had a better present unless you resurrected ol’ Blue Eyes out of the grave to sing that in person. From what I’ve read or seen recently, one of the Apollo astronauts had that on his music tape that each was allowed to bring with him. We were out vacationing on Hood Canal in July of 1969. We tried to watch the landing on a small black-and-white TV set. But we got almost no picture. And I do remember my birthday as the day that the Apollo astronauts returned in triumph. As Michael Collins noted, when they went on their world tour, everywhere he went he met people who said “We did it.” There was a sense of universal triumph in this. It’s so sad to think that we are poisoning generations of the young (and the old) with grievance, with a hatred for America. As my second favorite Jew, Dennis Prager, notes: We suppose it’s a good idea for humans to migrate to the stars (or at least other planets) so that should anything happen to the earth (such as a big asteroid or comet), mankind would survive. But it's not boulders we need dodge. We’ve so poisoned ourselves on the rock of grievance, I can understand many Mayflowers may one day want to leave this earth. And not because of environmental damage but because we’ve become so corrupt. After all, people really did leave Europe (and many other places) because they were harsh, sad, violent, and corrupt places where a common man couldn’t catch a break. We’re becoming that. For a moment, Apollo gave us something more than grievance. And I appreciate that. Congratulations, Neil, wherever you are.
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Jul 24, 2019 7:53:31 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2019 7:53:31 GMT -8
Well, thank you. I do like it here better. Remember, I was the one behind the scenes doing all the work of posting stuff. And when people had generally no more to say than grievance, that got old fast (although I tried to stick it out).
With a forum, people can take care of their own stuff. They can get as creative as they want or as bland as they want. There's no filter. And I don't have to bear the time and cost of some yahoo pretending to have something to say and yet having little more than a desire to just complain.
So, yeah, I do like it here better. And I've had much better results in terms of the software and provider making things consistently work well.
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Jul 24, 2019 8:12:51 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2019 8:12:51 GMT -8
I don't know if this is real or not, but this Audio concept for a rover looks pretty cool:
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Jul 24, 2019 8:26:54 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Jul 24, 2019 8:26:54 GMT -8
We visited the Smithsonian in 1960 or 1961, when my father was stationed in Alexandria. I don't suppose they had any space memorabilia at the time, though I would have seen them since, at least from the outside, at the Dayton museum and the Cape Canaveral, Huntsville, and Houston space centers as well as the one in Louisville. The only thing I recall fro the Smithsonian visit was the Spirit of St. Louis, which I had heard of by then.
Buzz Aldrin was apparently a big fan of "Fly Me to the Moon" and played it before they exited the lander. Something like this also shows up in the Clint Eastwood movie Space Cowboys.
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Jul 24, 2019 9:03:24 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2019 9:03:24 GMT -8
Probably my favorite astronaut is Buzz Aldrin. I'm not sure why.
An interesting story about him is that it's likely much of his motivation was to please his father....who could never be pleased, even after he had walked on the moon. Buzz was extremely brave, competent, and (as far as I know) a pretty good guy, perhaps made more human and approachable because he wasn't quite as perfect as Neil (who was also a real good guy).
There can be little doubt that if you had to go into space on anything but a buss (that is, anything at all that required significant risk), you couldn't have likely picked two people in the whole of humanity since time began better than Aldrin and Armstrong.
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Jul 24, 2019 9:07:33 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2019 9:07:33 GMT -8
Sinatra has an album from the Reprise years titled Moonlight Sinatra. It's one of the few terrific concept albums. Here's the track listing: 01. Moonlight Becomes You 02. Moon Song 03. Moonlight Serenade 04. Reaching For The Moon 05. I Wished On The Moon 06. Oh, You Crazy Moon 07. The Moon Got In My Eyes 08. Moonlight Mood.mp3 09. Moon Love 10. The Moon Was Yellow (And The Night Was Young) It really is a joy to listen to this one. I'll have to play it today sometime.
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Jul 24, 2019 9:37:24 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Jul 24, 2019 9:37:24 GMT -8
I'm surprised this doesn't include "Fly Me to the Moon", which was a Sinatra standard by then, unless it's listed under a different title. I wonder how many singers could have put together such an album of songs with "Moon" in the title -- especially if these were songs he had already performed.
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Jul 24, 2019 9:46:54 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2019 9:46:54 GMT -8
Wiki says that Kaye Ballard did the first recording of the song which was written in 1954 by Bart Howard. Amazing. I did not know that. Yes, that Kaye Ballard.
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Jul 24, 2019 11:46:32 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Jul 24, 2019 11:46:32 GMT -8
I actually saw that show, at least occasionally. Checking in IMDB, I even found an episode I recognized.
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Jul 25, 2019 17:39:24 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 25, 2019 17:39:24 GMT -8
I watched The Cosmonaut Cover-Up on Amazon Prime Video. It makes a good case that Yuri Gagarin was the second man in space, not the first. I knew little about Gagarin nor did I ever care. But if this documentary is correct, Gagarin was a pilot whose was rushed into a second launch (one that Khrushchev apparently didn't even know about). His qualifications were young, good looking, and a committed Party member. He died (possibly killed by the KGB) in a plane crash, having turned alcoholic and uncontrollable — possibly because he eventually learned that he was not the first in space. I don't know if this is just a conspiracy theory show, but it's obvious the Communists lied about everything. As one person said, they diminished their real accomplishments in the space program by all the lying and secrecy. And, if the basic premise of this documentary is true, the real heroes went unnoticed and unrewarded. And the Democrats want to bring that same system of lies here.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:29:08 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Jul 25, 2019 18:29:08 GMT -8
There was an article in Reader's Digest in the 1960s, which a science teacher of mine mentioned in class during the 1964-5 school year, that estimated (based on radio transmissions people heard) that 23 Soviet cosmonauts had died in space at that time. They admitted none. Of course, we have no way of knowing how many (if any) actually died, but this is sort of like Winston Smith putting down the first date in his diary and then mentally discussing whether or not this was accurate in any way.
Robert Heinlein came up with something similar. He and his wife, on different grounds, estimated that the population of Moscow (which they visited in 1960) was about 500,000. He later asked a top officer he knew, who came up with the same estimate for a third reason. Virginia Heinlein based it on births and deaths, something she would ask Russians they met. Robert based it on river traffic. The friend based it on transportation links into the city. I can see flaws in their reasoning; Virginia's estimate doesn't take in-migration into account, and could only be relative to the earlier population anyway. He and his officer friend probably used Western economic standards. But, at any rate, all 3 estimated the city as having a tenth as many people as reference works said.
I don't know the facts, but the problem is that this is inevitable in a system like the Soviet Union with its total Behemoth control of information. Winston Smith expresses similar concerns on many occasions in 1984, such as noting the vast quantities of shoes produced while a large part of the population went barefoot.
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Jul 26, 2019 9:14:56 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2019 9:14:56 GMT -8
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Jul 26, 2019 10:10:55 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Jul 26, 2019 10:10:55 GMT -8
Boy, this sounds a lot like the JFK conspiracy theories, and for much the same reason: the mysterious (well, JFK's wasn't that mysterious; we know he was shot) death of a popular hero. Distrust of government also helps explain it; the JFK conspiracy fans have generally been radical leftists, and it's easy to imagine why there was a lot of distrust of Brezhnev the re-Stalinizer -- though Soviet slaves would have had to be very careful about expressing doubts.
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Jul 26, 2019 10:36:45 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2019 10:36:45 GMT -8
It's easy to see why conspiracy theories would fly around Gagarin. The Soviet Union regularly lied about everything.
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