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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 10, 2019 7:46:16 GMT -8
George Neumayr has been reporting from the field: The Strange Gods of Pope FrancisOne commenter writes: and another… The take-away from all this is that it is becoming increasingly clear that belief in what the Bible actually says is taken with such a grain of salt by many that unbelief is the norm and those who actually believe in a Higher Cosmic Order (far above our earthly “wokenss”) are considered simple, primitive, and naive. That is, the undercurrent of this current faux Pope is unbelief. And, as Dennis Prager notes about such things, people are substituting Leftism as their religion. You gotta love honest and observant reporting from the field as Neumayr does. It is so rare as to be spectacular.
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Post by timothylane on Oct 10, 2019 9:33:40 GMT -8
Well, there's nothing we haven't noticed here already. There's a reason I refer to Francis as the Peron Anti-Pope. But it's always good to get the evidence fully detailed. I had read about the Amazonian Synod, but this is the first I knew that it was specifically pagan. The old tautological question -- Is the Pope Catholic? -- has now become a reverse tautology, the perfect question to answer not to confirm but to deny. "Are leftists patriotic Americans?" "Is the Pope Catholic?" That's why he's really an Anti-Pope.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 10, 2019 10:41:29 GMT -8
Just think of all those Christian martyrs whose sacrifice was for naught. I especially pity those fools of the early Church who were persecuted for not making a simple yearly sacrifice to Caesar.
Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
Clearly, Christ's exhortation was simply a PR ploy. As someone else wrote, "aren't we all saved in the end?" So what difference does it make which gods the Pope is worshiping in his garden?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 10, 2019 10:47:49 GMT -8
The bottom line, as Neumayr (or someone else) said in a recent article is that the Pope is advancing an agenda (Leftism) that has at its end the extinguishing of religion.
If there is a God, it’s not just a niggling question as to whether the Pope’s Leftist/pagan/Multicultural faith is misguided. The question arises that he may be an active agent for those who work for the other side.
The question naturally arises from the belief in a God Almighty as to whether this is just an expression of foolish vanity or has deeper roots and ends. Anyone who believes in the God of the Bible will have the latter on their plate as a distinct possibility.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 10, 2019 11:44:43 GMT -8
If none of the Bible is true (or you don’t believe it to be true) then all you have left is “social policies.” To put it another way, “Why should I believe in anything you say or purport to represent if all you have is ‘social policy’?”
Indeed. If Neumayr’s reporting is fairly accurate, the Catholic Church continues to morph into a bland NGO.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 10, 2019 13:03:23 GMT -8
The link is to a very good piece explaining how Lenin's influence has spread throughout political thinking and creates (is still creating) monsters. Much of what the writer says has been covered by us at ST, but the piece is still worth reading. LeninUnlike many others, the author does not cut Lenin any slack by pretending he was less vicious than Stalin. Lenin was worse, he just didn't live long enough to demonstrate this. Lenin's descendants are among us and must be crushed, as one cannot negotiate with them.
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Post by timothylane on Oct 10, 2019 13:40:15 GMT -8
A very good analysis. Much of it can be seen in Orwell, and he shows that Lenin was as bloodthirsty a monster as Stalin. This is no surprise; one book I read on the Russian Civil War noted that Lenin had more people executed in a single modest Russian city (Yaroslavl, I think) in a short time than were executed by the Tsars in all of Russia during their last century.
I might add that another excellent source was Arthur Koestler. In particular, Darkness at Noon and his chapter in The God That Failed reflect several of the points made in this article. Koestler, of course, had personal knowledge of Communism, to a much greater degree than Orwell ever did.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 10, 2019 14:58:01 GMT -8
I think it is pretty clear that leftist revolutionaries are psychopaths who prey on and use the stupid and disgruntled for nefarious ends. All the mumbo-jumbo they spout about helping humanity and such is nothing more than a smoke screen to coverup and confuse. Their actual goal is to fulfill their over-arching egos by the destruction and subjugation of others. They are resentful nihilists who value no one and nothing except as tools for their own sick goals.
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Post by timothylane on Oct 10, 2019 15:06:14 GMT -8
That's exactly what Orwell showed in 1984, especially O'Brien's lectures to Winston Smith. "A boot on the face of man -- forever." The only question is the degree to which O'Brien's vicious sadism reflects the norm among radical leftists. Certainly Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Guevara, and Pol Pot all fit that description. Most of the others are probably just indifferent to people, which I think is the case with Maduro.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 25, 2020 22:26:58 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 25, 2020 22:52:32 GMT -8
You have to feel sorry for that seminarian. I think he should consider the Greek Orthodox Church. I believe that is what Dreher did.
Protestants used to call the Church something like "The harlot of Babylon." Sounds like that is truly the case now.
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Post by timothylane on Nov 26, 2020 7:02:41 GMT -8
Decades ago, Catholic seminaries were dominated in many places by a "lavender mafia". These priests went on to become clerics and rose in the hierarchy. A few were exposed and eliminated (a few were exposed and shifted laterally). But evidently the lavender mafia continues in many seminaries, and I suspect that the Peron Anti-Pope at best doesn't care.
The obvious answer, thus, would be to get out of an immoral institution. Eastern Orthoox is indeed very similar in many ways to Catholic, though as far as I know without the libertinist baggage. A friend of mine, Lisa Major, after looking for which religion would best fit her needs, eventually chose them.
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Post by artraveler on Nov 26, 2020 14:26:21 GMT -8
Peron Anti-Pope It has been 500 years sibs the last reformation perhaps it is time for another, but not only Catholic, but catholic across the Christian board. As I understand cannon law there is no prohibition for a lay person to be elected Pope.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 26, 2020 18:42:17 GMT -8
I think the first practical effect is for people of good conscious to stop tithing and thus stop feeding the beast.
In theory, a Protestant believes in the transformative effects of prayer, God’s grace, and the wise help of godly friends and neighbors (whether they are religious functionaries of a church or not) in reforming the soul. Most importantly, he or she believes it should be reformed.
This heartfelt lamentation from this seminarian show that it’s Communism (in its various modern forms) not Christ that is on the menu. The eye is toward “fundamentally transforming” society in Marx’s (or pick-your-devlish-Leftist) material vision not matching our heart and conduct to what transcendent God requires of us.
The problem is especially problematic in the Catholic Church because it presents itself as an essential stand-in for God. Thus, for the indoctrinated Catholic, it matters not if the conductor who punches your train ticket goes home and beats his wife every night. It matters only that the ticket is punched.
My own thought is that the Church cannot be reformed. It is up to sincere people, such as this seminarian, to follow the Bible and to try to reproduce those teachings, whether inside of a monastery or not. For this seminarian, he should find other like-minded people who believe in Christ instead of Marx and create a community. That is similar to the only way I can see to reform the public school system: school choice and vouchers. Starve the corrupt beast.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 18, 2021 14:53:48 GMT -8
I have been going through some book marks I made in Durant's "Caesar and Christ." Here is something Durant had to say about Christ.
Some interesting observations there. One could say many revolutionaries over the centuries have seen things the way Durant has described them, i.e. Christ as only a great moral teacher, and tried to bring about heaven on earth. Each attempt has resulted in less-than-perfect results, which is not to be wondered at. Durant, and the modern religious fanatics all seem to forget that Christ understood that mankind was not perfect and could only achieve the salvation which man searches for, through faith in and obedience to God. Trying to achieve earthly utopias through unsound doctrine is not something for which one should hold out high expectations.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 18, 2021 15:05:40 GMT -8
More from Durant on Christianity.
Just like I have long said, evangelical, fundamentalist Christians are Jews, they just don't know it.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 18, 2021 15:20:27 GMT -8
More from Durant on Christianity.
This puts the lie to the evil origins of Christianity and what it stands for. Perhaps they should be teaching this in history classes.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2021 7:50:46 GMT -8
Those are exceptional passages by Durant. “The coldness of Stoicism” mirrors “the coldness of materialism/atheism.”
Right now, Christians are grappling with the morality of brotherly love as it pertains to those, under the guise of “sensitivity,” who wish to extinguish them. So far, most all Christians have failed in this regard.
Christianity has integrated “the therapeutic society” and thus dispensed with all the counter-balancing elements (wisdom, the binary reality of sin, repentance, forbearance, not automatically taking up the ways of the world, self-control, humility, etc.). Brother love, yes, but if you’re kind to the cruel, you can’t help but be cruel to the kind. There must be a discernment process. That is, Christianity is not merely permissiveness.
As harsh as this sounds, there are some things you should hate, especially evil. And the intrusion of materialism/Marxism/genderism/Progressivism/Freudianism/Darwinism into Christianity has made it a moral morass. As it adopts these things with 100% blind “compassion” without applying any wisdom, Christianity integrates the elements of its own destruction.
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Post by artraveler on May 19, 2021 8:42:22 GMT -8
Christianity integrates the elements of its own destruction. In my world view Christianity has never been about the difference between Jews and Christians but between the Jewish and Christian vs the pagan. Christianity came along when the pagan worlds of Rome and Greece had fallen in disrepute among the common people. The elites had left belief in the ancient gods way behind for almost a 1000 years. You can find elements in the plays of Sophocles, Euripides and even Homer. There is a certain tongue in cheek to their works that suggest the gods are just not as important as they used to be. Thus, playing up to the gods was just propaganda for the masses. The one thing we can depend on is that people hate a vacuum in religious practice. Temple Judaism could not, and would not, seek out converts. The pagans were in decline and along comes a religious practice that offers the tribal pagans a replacement for the traditional tribal world view. For the 1st century pagan, eternal life was tied to the continued existence of the tribe. Thus, individuals were expendable, but would live forever as long as the tribe existed. Destroy the tribe and the existence of all the members over history died with the last member. We find evidence of this world view even in North American Indians. Chinese ancestor reverence is also an offshoot of early pagan beliefs. Christianity, as implemented by Paul and many other apostles offered eternal life to the individual pagan without the tribe. In fact it was the instrument that destroyed the tribe. We can find evidence of this with Christianization of the Vikings in the 9th century. Also the slow destruction of Druids and Celts in England and France. The old gods became obsolete and with their fall so did the tribe become obsolete. Today we find that the elites have left G-d and worship a new tribalism and new deities, science, progress, and government. These are nothing but new names for the old pagan gods. The question we must ask--if the elites jump off this bridge will the people follow? A culture that answers yes, is doomed to death, destruction and dismemberment.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 19, 2021 8:56:26 GMT -8
Durant hints at a similar thought.
I was thinking about this last night. To my mind, the two significant differences between Judaism and Christianity as it developed are 1) the divinity of Christ and 2) Christianity's universalism. In my opinion, this created a new and bigger tribe. A tribe which anyone could join, i.e. which was not built on race or ethnicity or language.
It is universalism which makes communism so much more acceptable/attractive than Nazism to many. Both are murderous creeds. Both have killed millions. Both are socialist/collectivist systems. But communism, like Christianity, accepts everyone into its fold as long as they believe. Nazism, like tribalism, is based on race, language and ethnicity. It is not for nothing that its roots were in paganism, a return to which people like Himmler were preparing. Anyone who claims Nazism promoted Christianity is simply a know-nothing. Hitler, Bormann and other top Nazis were only waiting for the war to end before they turned their guns on the Church.
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