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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 13, 2020 21:13:09 GMT -8
A good piece at Frontpagemag.com which illustrates why we hold libertarians in such low regard. I suspect the two "libertarian" writers (supporters of Joe Biden) who the author mentions are on the payroll of the Kochs or some other such people. Honesty and logic don't appear to be held in high esteem by these two. Libertarians are crackedI noticed our old friend Nakhalides posted in the comments section. |
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Post by artraveler on Oct 13, 2020 21:57:19 GMT -8
Frontpagemag.com There is another Libertarian ideology that holds a simple definition: maximum freedom with the fewest regulations and the least government possible. We used to call it the Constitution of the United States. Sadly, every political party, including Libertarian, seems to have forgotten that amazing document and the compromises it took to put it into black letter law. Boiled down to essence the Constitution could be called a form of constricted Libertarian ideas. I do not hold with dogmatic Libertarians any more than Republicans, Democrats, or Whigs, Free Landers or any other dogma. The beauty of the Constitution is its ability to give every political persuasion a little bit of what they want, but no power to dictate. What has gotten out of whack is that every faction wanted the whole pie and is willing to burn the building down to get it. If James Madison, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson were alive today. They would move and try again. Apologies to Don McClean The three men I admire most, Adams, Madison and Jefferson, Took the last train for the coast, The day the Constitution died |
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Post by timothylane on Oct 14, 2020 6:05:15 GMT -8
It's obvious that these particular libertarians find the ability of multinational corporations to profit in China more important than the free expression of Americans. Any libertarian who supports the Demagogues in their increasingly totalitarian mindset (which has been true for well over a decade) is probably a libertinist or some other such, not a genuine libertarian.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 14, 2020 9:48:48 GMT -8
I agree with you. That is why I call myself a Constitutional Conservative or Constitutionalist.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 14, 2020 9:54:54 GMT -8
There appears to be two types of libertarians.
1. Idiot dopeheads. These people are probably genuine in their misbegotten beliefs.
2. Liars like the two writers mentioned in the Frontpagemag article. They cry for "free markets," "open borders" and the like. These types are in the pockets of people like the Kochs whose intent is not liberty, but to push down labor costs.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 1, 2022 20:37:51 GMT -8
I am sure I have posted something similar to the below quote by de Tocqueville, but I think his is worth noting.
I have long said the "tolerance" one too often notes in libertarians and leftists is actually indifference.
I should have looked more closely into de Tocqueville when I was younger. Instead, I merely listened to the positive quotes he made about America. These are what one hears about in high school and college. I see he made a number of not-so-positive quotes and they were just as perspicacious as the positive ones.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 2, 2022 6:40:25 GMT -8
The book I'm reading about a Soviet spy notes the saying (by whom, I forget) that silence is inherently giving consent. So, yes, this modern idea of "tolerance" is pretty much the same thing.
I fear, Mr. Flu, that we are like social savants who are talking above the heads of the masses in the same way a Feynman or Einstein would in the field of mathematics (although they were vastly smarter in their own realm).
That is to say, we can, and should, expound upon what (to us) are simple points such as: There is a middle ground between being an authoritarian asshole and a "let everyone do whatever the hell they want" liberal flake.
But damned if such an idea can any longer resonate in this culture that has become completely stupid and unhinged. I mean, Jesus, C.S. Lewis was calling this phenomenon decades ago. He was prescient. And certainly we can rank de Tocqueville as among the prescient.
So, yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with you. But what asshole out there has the ability to handle what are even marginally subtle truths? Not many, in my experience.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 2, 2022 9:06:22 GMT -8
I can't tell you how many times, after reading some piece or speaking to someone, I have thought, "Subtlety doesn't appear to be one of your strong points."
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Post by kungfuzu on May 28, 2024 18:24:32 GMT -8
This is the Libertarian presidential candidate.
Does anyone doubt that this demented perv belongs in prison? Debauching children is worthy of a death sentence.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 29, 2024 17:40:46 GMT -8
There is not much more evidence needed to show that the libertarians are screwballs.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 29, 2024 19:30:10 GMT -8
They are all of that, but much more. Many are dangerous. They are a malign influence in society. That presidential candidate needs to be made an example of. Does anyone doubt that he is a debaucher of children? Look into his life more deeply. Display his perversion for all to see. I would love it if some PAC ran ads showing that the Libertarian party is so depraved as to nominate such a perv.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 30, 2024 6:07:32 GMT -8
I don't wonder if libertarians are more a psychological study than a political party.
The reason that the libertarian party goes nowhere is because there's no need for it. Their inclinations are already championed by the Left. From their preamble:
It's a utopian vision of get-along-ism where everyone does just what they want (according to their "values") and never is heard a discouraging word. The problem is, if your "values" are open borders (which is it for libertarians, who view any constraint to their Sacred Person Will to be evil), you're harming someone. If your "values" are for abortion (which they are), then you're actually killing someone.
I see libertarianism, in practice, as just a new kind of Leftist cuckoo. You can look back and say, oh, we derive from such-and-such great thinker, that Ronald Reagan was libertarian in many of his view, etc. But all that is nonsense. What they call "libertarian" has been anything other than some form of goofball liberalism for over 50 years now.
Here's their tract on "personal relationships">
All that is a nod to the sexual utopian ideals of the Left which we know without a doubt cause social breakdown because all this junk undermines the family which is the backbone of any decent society. And don't believe that "consenting adults" thing. This freaky queer agenda has no "off" switch. They will soon support man-boy love and all that stuff...and probably do already, it's just that they won't admit it.
Of course you do. Because you're all a bunch of man-children who never grew up and/or are basically using the "libertarian" doctrine as a device to excuse and justify every personal excess. And I think that's the real and only appeal of this party of kooks.
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