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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 8, 2020 10:25:53 GMT -8
One thing for sure, Mitt Romney is not a good advertisement for the effectiveness of Mormonism in creating a good and wise human soul. There surely must be more than a few Mormons cringing that this political scoundrel is the poster child for their faith (which is really bizarre and sort of stupid one to begin with, so I guess he didn’t have to work all that hard).
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Post by artraveler on Jun 8, 2020 11:11:13 GMT -8
I moved to Utah in 2000. The whole state was embroiled in the complex and corrupt Winter Olympics planned for 2002. mittens was brought in to clean it up. It was a job he could do and by December of 2001 the venues were done, corrupt officials had been fired, some jailed and the Olympics came off with no major hitches. Mittens deserves all the credit. He did a good job, he held public and private officials to their commitments and never crossed the line of giving his LDS brothers a break just because of religion.
However, since then he has consistently sided with the progressive wing of the Republican Party, to the extent that his credentials as a republican must be questioned. The Mormons I know have berated mittens for his liberal positions and ascribe it to living in Mass for all those years. I think recent history is even less complicated. Mittens lost an election he should have won, and he knows deep down that loss was his own fault. Then along comes DJT and not only wins against Hillary but does so with seemingly little effort and has survived the last four years of savaging by democrat/media. Mittens collapsed when they accused him of being mean to his dog.
He has assumed the John McCain mantle in the GOP as king of the RINOs. In two years the people of Utah will vote for senate again. I am not convinces that mittens will be re-elected.
As for the LDS. Individual Mormons are kind, compassionate and friendly. The LDS church is freaking crazy.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 8, 2020 11:21:06 GMT -8
LOL. He did indeed.
It’s hard to argue with that. The love of my life was Mormon. The stars never aligned right for that one. And I would have made a very poor Mormon convert.
The Republican Party still has a rash regarding Trump. They wish to “speak softly and carry no stick at all.” I can’t think of a better description of them…other than Quislings.
They have no fight in their bellies. They are political parasites profiting off of their offices rather than implementing needed reform. I’m still amazed at the weak-minded political sycophants (aka “Republican voters”) who get all hot-and-bothered over Trump’s impolite Tweets far more than they do about their country being ruined by Communists.
But the farther I travel down this road of life, the more I’ve come to understand that narcissism is not a condition for the few. It’s the guiding light of the many. That some take it to an extreme and are given that clinical label is perhaps a convenient means to hide its commonality.
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Post by timothylane on Jun 8, 2020 11:40:16 GMT -8
Go and look up the Mark Hofmann case sometime. He was a forger who created a series of documents (the most notorious being the "salamander letter") that would have been most embarrassing to Mormonism if they had been real. Church leaders were afraid they might be (which is probably a good example of the lack of strength of their faith) and bought them to get them out of the way. This made such forgeries very lucrative for Hofmann.
Unfortunately, at some point desperation led him to explosive means of covering up his crimes. They did at least get him and send him to prison. But the whole thing was an embarrassment to the church. There were several books about it, of which I think I had two. One of the authors, asked by some Mormons (perhaps people he interviewed for the book) his opinion of the Mormons, gave an answer very similar to artraveler's. I don't think he phrased it quite the same way, but he differentiated the many good Mormons from the church leadership, which he saw as rather corrupt.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 8, 2020 13:09:39 GMT -8
The Salamander Letter? Never heard of that one.
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Post by timothylane on Jun 8, 2020 13:49:37 GMT -8
Wikipedia has articles on both Mark Hofmann and his most infamous forgery, the Salamander Letter. It involved Joseph Smith's discovery of the golden plates that he translated to create the Book of Mormon. The letter says that the entity he encountered was not the Angel Moroni but a white salamander. The salamander is a fire elemental, as an undine is a water elemental, a sylph is an air elemental, and a gnome is an earth elemental. It would not be considered an angelic creature.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 10:16:59 GMT -8
I tend to agree with this Zogby poll. They are neck-in-neckMy worry is that in such a situation the Democratic Bolsheviks will be able to steal the election if it is so close. They are experts at such things. Last time, they weren't paying close-enough attention because they thought the Hildabeast had it all sewn up. This time they will be ready.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 10, 2020 11:19:07 GMT -8
It is not close if Zogby calls it even. That means Trump is up by at least 5 points, my guess is 8-10. Zogby is notoriously Democrat biased. the important polls will not be taken until September, until then they don't really mean much.
Don't forget this time four years ago the polls said Trump had "no path to win" and Hillary could not lose. Does anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size believe Biden is more qualified than Hillary? The states that brought Trump to victory are not in play. All things being equal that equals to at least 306 elector votes.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 13:33:52 GMT -8
Here is another instance of Trump being politically smart as well as being principled.
I believe it was yesterday that I read an article by or about the disgraced David Petraeus in which he condemned West Point, I believe, for having a statue honoring "the traitor" Robert E. Lee as well as numerous army bases being named for Confederate Generals.
Once again, do not tell me about the military being conservative. Too many of the top generals are only conservative in not letting go of their positions of power.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 10, 2020 13:51:14 GMT -8
BO would have caved at even the suggestion. In fact he would have suggested it, mHillary would also, but she still thinks she is named for Sir. Edmond Hillary who climbed Everest 4 years after she was born.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 10, 2020 13:54:34 GMT -8
I don't think traitor is to strong of a world for Petraeus himself. He's throwing his country under the bus in order to appease the mob and the vapid cocktail party crowd he must hang with. If there was justice in the world, the Robert E. Lee statue would fall over on him.
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Post by timothylane on Jun 10, 2020 14:11:10 GMT -8
I wonder if Wokeists such as Betrayus (who obviously forgot "Duty, Honor, Country" long ago) also call for changing the names of dams (such as the Chief Joseph Dam) and counties named after Indians who fought the US, or British royals of the 18th Century (such as Osceola and Seminole in Florida, or numerous counties in Virginia). Couldn't Fort Bragg, at least, be named after Thomas Bragg, a North Carolina Founding Father?
Allahpundit, at Hot Air, had a posting on the subject that was as bad as anyone familiar with him would object. We bloggers had a lot of fun mocking his increasing Wokeist tendencies.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 14:15:43 GMT -8
Like so many of these high-ranking types, Petraeus is feathering his nest with a large investment company, in this case Kohlberg Kravis & Roberts, where he is now a partner. He also works with "security" company(s). Given that his government pension is about US$220,000 per year, one would like to know how much is enough?
By the way, his wife has connections to Elizabeth Warren, so guess what her political leanings are.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 10, 2020 16:07:36 GMT -8
It's amazing as a sheer social phenomenon that these retired creeps have so debased themselves. Whatever you think of Trump, as VDH pointed out in the recent interview, where was the outrage for all the horrible stuff that Obama and Crew did? And what about sticking to the code of military justice that still applies apparently to retired generals?
I won't sit here and just be outraged, although it is outrageous. This is a sign of just how long the Left has been working on these people to turn them into men without chests. Apparently no balls either.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 16:59:56 GMT -8
Here is a quote from an article at Breitbart regarding the Navy's new order to ban the Confederate Battle Flag from everything to do with the Navy.
Notice the Orwellian language of the last sentence. Honor, courage and commitment? As Mathis, Kelly, Allen, Mullen, Petraeus, Berger and now Gilday have demonstrated, they have none. They are doing this to cause trouble. I even suspect they hope to reduce the percentage of Southerners enlisting in the military. No doubt they are afraid Southerners would not obey treasonous orders which those of the permanent war party have in mind.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 19:34:15 GMT -8
Laura Logan understands what is behind these scumbag generals and admirals now attacking Trump. The military-industrial-intelligence, finance, permanent war complex are not going to give up their trillion-dollar-+ scam simply because Americans would like to scale back our overseas wars.
This is moving in the direction of a military coup. These officers are technically still serving in the military. They need to be called to account.
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Post by timothylane on Jun 10, 2020 19:53:39 GMT -8
Interesting. The left at some point succeeded in taking over the Pentagon, replacing "Duty, Honor, Country" with "Wokeness, Politics, Party". Trump seems to be popular still among the soldiers and probably lower officers, but not at the top. In essence, the modern military channels Smedley Butler, a Quaker Marine who was a fine combat commander until he guilt-tripped his way to Communism.
Logan also has been a strong critic of defunding the police. Apparently she was the reporter who, after the fall of Mubarak in Egypt, was gang-raped at an Islamist rally. At the time I had the impression that she had more typical views. But as they say, a conservative is a liberal who's been gang-raped.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 12, 2020 13:08:57 GMT -8
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Post by timothylane on Jul 12, 2020 13:39:24 GMT -8
I couldn't get it to play, assuming it was a video.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 12, 2020 14:01:10 GMT -8
I checked it and could play the video again. It was only 46 seconds.
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