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Post by timothylane on Oct 30, 2019 17:52:58 GMT -8
One must remember that globalists see America as no better than any other country (and in practice tend to prefer the foreigners). In addition, they reflexively the biggest underdog (other than the Nomenklatura, of course) in any struggle. The net result is that they prefer criminals to the innocent, immigrants to the native-born, and illegal aliens to legal immigrants. Among other forms of deviancy.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 30, 2019 19:53:33 GMT -8
We must not forget that this was the last war that religion was a central figure. Every regiment had at least one chaplain and as a general rule battles were avoided on religious holidays. The music of the war was not aggressively martial but always spiritual elements. The most popular song on both sides was Lorena, not Dixie or the Battle Hymn of the Republic and then there is The Gettysburg Address. Lincoln, if he had done nothing else, even losing the war could not have done better. This is, coming from a man with no religious training, possibly the most religious speech ever to enter the politic of the the United States. It begins with Old Testament, King James language. " Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.He continues, talking about dedicating and consecration of the battlefield. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.Then from the heart Lincoln changes the tempo leaving the final judgement in G-d's hand; But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." As an after thought. It is a shame that Julia Ward Howe was not a Southerner. The Battle Hymn of the Republic better fits Southern sensibilities and feelings than Dixie. In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me; As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free! While God is marching on.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 30, 2019 19:58:39 GMT -8
It has been claimed that more ink has been spilled over the Civil War than any other subject in history. If that is true, and it may well be, nobody could begin to know it all The English Civil War is at least a tie in verbiage and since it was 120 years earlier there must be at least as much even given for the general low level education of the English population until the 19th century.
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Post by timothylane on Oct 30, 2019 20:06:15 GMT -8
Stonewall Jackson, the Calvinist, was unhappy at the prospect of fighting on the Sabbath. Freeman devoted a full chapter ("General and Deacon Jackson at Odd") to the subject. He concluded that, after all, God was also Lord of Hosts, and if he came across the enemy on Sunday it was appropriate to fight. His troops thought he seemed to prefer it in practice.
It would be hard to verify if battles were fought on religious holidays, especially given that the number of Catholics was limited. Protestants have few religious holidays, aside from Christmas and Holy Week.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 31, 2019 7:49:18 GMT -8
That reminds me of what I read or saw in the Burns series. At the siege of Fredericksburg the Confederates held their fire so that the Union soldiers could celebrate Independence Day. I think that was the holiday. And I think it was also at Fredericksburg where both sides held off making any noise or taking any action in a brief interlude in the morning so that they could listen to a quite talented Confederate soldier play his coronet.
One of the fellows in the book, I think, mentioned that if he could go back to any time it would be to listen to Lincoln give his speech at Gettysburg. I think in the Burns series someone mentions the Lincoln quote about both sides thinking they had God on their side but both couldn’t be right. He then said both sides were paying for their sins. There seemed to be the ring of truth in that.
An interesting point about Lincoln using Old-Testament language. Sherman, I read, remained “secular” throughout the war. (I think it was Sherman. So many names, so many dates, it all becomes a bit of a blur). And reading the first parts of The Killer Angels, (which I’ll start a new thread on), it would seem that both Sherman and Longstreet had a more modern view of war….or what at least became a more modern view. Sherman understood that civilians were a part of the whole total-war structure. Longstreet apparently understood the usefulness of trenches.
God and Jesus took a real beating in that war. Had people lived even 1/4 of those principles, the war would have never happened. The human seems to be an instinctive animal first, a reasonable human being second. Wars unleash not just the sociopath but a personal sociopathy that lurks in most. How else could people so wantonly kill (almost murder) people they had no personal grievance with?
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Post by timothylane on Oct 31, 2019 8:53:08 GMT -8
Fredericksburg was fought in mid-December, so there were no holidays involved. Perhaps the most interesting story of compassion was that of a Confederate soldier who heard the moaning of the wounded on the night after the battle, and came out (taking the risk of being shot) with a canteen to provide them with water. He became known as the Angel of Marye's Heights.
The guns were silent on July 4 at Gettysburg. That night Lee began his retreat. It was also the day Pemberton surrendered at Vicksburg, thinking he could get better terms on the holiday. (And, indeed, he got his troops paroled in said of sent off to prison camps. It helped that the city had a commissioner for the cartel for paroling and exchanging prisoners. Grant figured that paroling them was safe because they'd never be willing to fight for the Confederacy again. As one short piece on him -- in a collection of short presidential bios -- said, "Imagine his surprise when he later met some of them at Missionary Ridge." But he was right about many of them.)
During the fighting on Culp's Hill, at one point a dog was licking the face of a wounded soldier (probably his owner). Someone noted that this was probably the only Christian act on the battlefield.
An even more interesting aspect of the fighting there is that one of the Confederates killed on its slopes was a Gettysburger who went south -- Wesley Culp, whose family owned the hill. Earlier, at Stephenson's Depot, he came across a fellow Gettysburger he knew, though this one was a Unionist. He wanted Culp to notify his girlfriend back home, one Jenny Wade. It's not known if Culp got the chance to do so before he was killed. Nor would it have mattered much, because Wade was killed by a random shot the morning of July 3, the only civilian killed during the battle.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 31, 2019 9:32:50 GMT -8
It was at the Siege of Petersburg, I think. Same with the coronet incident as well. The holiday may have been a Union memorial day. Someone who wants to re-watch that episode can nail it down. It's not particularly important where or when, but that the Confederates did take a time out to show the Yanks some decency.
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