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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 9:11:58 GMT -8
I’m currently reading A Death in the Rainforest: How a Language and a Way of Life Came to and End in Papua New GuineaI’m very early into this but the author, Don Kulick, has so far used the phrase, “white privilege,” in a sentence with a straight face. There may have been more than a bit of butt-covering when he used those words. However, he claims early (and this seems to be the case) that this will be no hagiography of “the noble savage”. His guiding principle is: One shortcoming is the voluminous magical thinking that his chosen tribe engages in. It made me think that this is where belief in “climate change” stems from. We may all have “white privilege” but we might have the same inate propensity to magical thinking. The natives do not believe Kulick when he says that not all Westerners are super rich, that most have to work for what they have. The propensity of the natives is toward cargo-cult thinking. They truly believe that the avenue toward a better life is white skin. One of their religious beliefs is: We might thus take the author’s word that this is not going to be a white-washing of native life, if you’ll pardon the expression. And although the author is being coy so far about why the language of this small tribe (about 200 or s0) is dying out, I suspect it’s the same dynamic facing parents today. The attractions of modern culture are strong. This anthropologist is studying this tribe at at exact moment when the children, by and large, are not learning their native language. I'm waiting to see what this version of cause-and-effect is. The author posits (most reasonably) that the reason there are thousands of distinct languages (not dialects, not variations, but completely different languages) in New Guinea is because it is a way for people to set themselves apart. The kids are instead learning the national language of Papua New Guinea, Tok Pisin. One can only wonder if this is analogous to parents sending their kids off to college only to quickly have every cultural belief the children had replaced by the cargo-cult system of Marxist thinking. Speaking of magical thinking: I think I’ll stay with this book for a while. It’s been a fascinating look into human nature.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2019 9:44:12 GMT -8
Tok Pisin is a pidgin of English (I remember reading an article about this decades ago in an old edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica that my mother's second husband had), whence it gets its name ("talk pidgin"). No doubt one reason there are so many languages in New Guinea is that there are so many tribes occupying a little mountain valley largely isolated from all the other mountain valleys.
Jared Diamond, author of Guns, Germs, and Steel and other works, did a lot of anthropological work in New Guinea. Indeed, that book was inspired by a Papuan politician who wondered why we had developed all these technological wonders and the Papuans hadn't. Diamond saw no reason to believe we're any smarter; indeed, he made an argument why Papuans could be smarter on average. (Of course, once one accepts that one race might be smarter than another, this allows such logic to be applies elsewhere -- such as that Eastern Asians might be smarter than whites, or whites smarter than blacks, or whatever. I wonder how Diamond would respond to such an argument.)
Larry Niven and Steven Barnes did a book (first in a series, I think) called Dream Park that involves a role-playing game (live action) set -- in this case -- in a New Guinea cargo cult system. (It also becomes a murder mystery, forcing the investigating policeman to be introduced as a new character in order to investigate without shutting down this new and potentially profitable set.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 15:02:21 GMT -8
The English lived on a big island. The Japanese lived on a big island. Hell, the Hongkongers lived on a small island.
Racial theories are verboten because all people are equal unless they are fetuses and then they don’t count. I didn’t make the rules.
But I doubt if you left these New Guinea tribes alone for a thousand years they’d ever invent the steam engine.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2019 15:21:25 GMT -8
Amen! The abos of Australia also lived on a very big island (some say continent) and they didn't invent shit except the didgeridoo.
As I recall, all the many tribes in the Western Hemisphere were stone-age people when the Europeans arrived. Hmmmm?
Africa is, according to most scientists, the home of humanity. Can anyone tell me the great achievements of sub-Saharan Africa?
I have always thought Diamond something of a joke who is inclined to push his political preferences for scientific fact. Toynbee seemed to claim weather was what made Eurasia great. Both may have touched on partial truths, or maybe not.
Life is complicated and I suspect that one of the reasons people like Diamond and Toynbee over-simplify things is to sell books. Complexity doesn't sell well.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 15:58:13 GMT -8
Mr. Kung. I had several interruptions this morning while writing this brief summary. Regarding the comic book quote I had transcribed, I completely forgot to include my quip about how analogous it was with today’s yutes who so revere Marvel (and DC) comic book movies.
Honestly, I do think there are significant differences in races, for better and for worse. I also think cultural difference are even more formative, although one could certainly work in a feedback loop with the other.
But my interest in reading this book (so far) is to not pick fun at primitive New Guinea tribes but to note: A) How much we are reverting to the primitive and, B) the centrality and ability of the Commercialism Cult in being able to trample any value, ethic, or belief because of the voluminous and irresistible output of the free market.
As a man with white privilege, it would be down-talking of me to deny New Guinea tribes the benefit of what these markets can bring. Honestly, who wants to live in a jungle? (And as the author rightly notes — and I will transcribe this passage when I have a chance — New Guinea is not a “rainforest.” It is a savage jungle.)
That said, commercialism means the death of any other principle but consumption. Do you think the plethora of fat people is just because of the abundance of food? Of course you don’t. You’re too smart for that. Fat people is a sign of What Life is All About…aka “consumption.”
Pity the Amish who must try to maintain a sense of themselves in the face of a blizzard of commercial distractions. It’s logical that a primitive tribe would have its head turned by the promise of cool-stuff. (Just a simple hatchet was a wonder of wonders.) But I can’t help thinking if this isn’t like the serpent entering into the Garden of Eden — even if the garden was a harsh jungle and the serpent (a hatchet) had much utility.
I love the idea of The Protestant Work Ethic. It was not about denying modern inventions. But note the word, “Protestant.” There was a larger context. Consuming things for the sake of consuming was not the point. With welfare and so much “free stuff,” it’s arguable that the “work ethic” is hanging by a thread in many quarters. Even if not, predominant is “the consumption ethic” in its place. And that’s an ethic with no leveling agent other than the endless attempts to satisfy ever-more ravenous appetites.
Don’t get me wrong. I sure as hell would not want to live in the jungle of New Guinea. And yet the modern jungles have an equal power to degrade human beings into beastly things.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2019 16:21:52 GMT -8
As far as I know, no Amerinds had metalworking for tools or weapons -- Aztec weapons had bits of obsidian to make them more effective. But the Aztecs and Incas certainly were quite familiar with gold, and worked it at least for ornamental purposes. On the other hand, I recall someone once wondering if Americans would yet have the wheel if Europe (or someone from Asia, for that matter) hadn't arrived.
The northern areas of sub-Saharan Africa had some contact with the Mediterranean civilizations, especially the Egyptians. (L. Sprague de Camp's historical novel The Dragon of the Ishtar Gate was inspired by Persian inscriptions that seemed to show okapis, which as far as I know are from central Africa. Ethiopia was linked to Levantine civilization by the era of Solomon, and in fact a church there claims to have the original Ark of the Covenant.) Of course, in southern Africa there are the ruins of Great Zimbabwe, which was built by an African tribe. In addition, the Bantu tribes (which conquered their way from western Africa through the Congo basin to eastern and eventually southern Africa) developed iron-working, but of course we have no way of knowing if they got it from someone else further north.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 20:08:17 GMT -8
I could hear Mr. Kung thinking when I first posted that I was reading this book:
Brad, you foolish fellow. Why are you reading an anthropological book? Don’t you know that anthropologists write such things? And don’t you know anthropology is about as far left and politically correct as you can get in academia? This is going to eventually blow up in your face. You’ll be lucky to make it to the second chapter.
My money is on Mr. Kung’s thought-bubble. But early in chapter two (I did, at least, make it that far) the anthropologist author writes:
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2019 20:58:55 GMT -8
That is true, but as I recall it was all "native" gold, i.e. virtually pure gold nuggets and such found in various ways. It was not recovered from smelting or any such chemical/heat process. And unlike copper, tin or iron, gold is often found in its native state i.e. not in an oxide or sulfide form thus all one must do to start making ornaments is to beat it with a hammer or melt it to make a small ingot for beating with a hammer.
I figured someone would mention Great Zimbabwe and iron production, but as you say, who knows its origins and I don't find Great Zimbabwe that impressive.
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Post by lynda on Dec 6, 2019 20:59:16 GMT -8
If I had been born into a place as described above, I would have built a boat by the time I was 5 years old, and sailed away into the unknown. I'm not boasting... maybe I'm part Viking.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2019 21:09:22 GMT -8
You know I think too many anthropologists are simply looking for something with which the can try to debunk Western Civilization, or to make excuses for their own deviant behavior. Think of the lies propagated by Margret Mead. My advice is that one should generally beware of such experts.
By chance, I came upon an article this afternoon which gives some support to my advice. It's a bit long, but is worth the read.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2019 21:17:38 GMT -8
The materialist view of life sees human beings as merely producers and consumers. We need to keep on consuming to keep those producers occupied and in profits.
It also helps that it keeps the minds of most somewhat duller than they might otherwise be. A sated desire generally settles a person down. If you can create desires and then sate them, you are going to be in the chips and will not be bothered by those plebs whose desires, artificial or otherwise, you have sated.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 21:19:21 GMT -8
The author mentions something odd: Back some time (further than last Thursday past, one presumes), after sea level had lowered, people in the deep jungles (at least many of them) made their way to the shore. And I immediately thought, “Whether the ocean is rising or falling, there will always be a shoreline.” So I don’t get what this author was talking about.
So that logic would be, do not build a boat until the oceans lower a little bit. This will make any boat crossing just that much shorter.
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Post by lynda on Dec 6, 2019 21:39:44 GMT -8
"...after sea level had lowered, people in the deep jungles (at least many of them) made their way to the shore."
I would think that regular trips to the shore would be made for salt and seafood, no matter what the sea level might be. I can't take the author's thought expressed in that quoted statement seriously, unless he is trying to make a point that the islanders lack imagination and motivation.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2019 21:45:41 GMT -8
KFZ's analysis reminds me of Clarence Darrow's similarly therapeutic view of punishment. Where that leads was pointed out be L. Sprague de Camp in The Great Monkey Trial via a (Persian, I believe) saying: "To be kind to the tiger is to be cruel to the lamb." Leftists are pretty consistently on the side of tigers, which is one reason why they're so hostile to tiger-hunters (such as the police and military). De Camp observed that the plight of crime victims never was a concern of Darrow's.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 21:45:41 GMT -8
I’m guessing that once the first metal hand axe (not to mention comic books) were glimpsed by the natives that it was suddenly Paradise Lost.
But, really, there seems to be more at play here in regards to the loss of this tribe’s language than mere appeal of trinkets. The gist of what the author is saying is that the yutes (and others) made contact with people speaking the more cosmopolitan Tok Pisin and began to ape it as a hifalutin language. It was considered prestigious to do so.
This had a powerful impact on my intellect, seeing the analogy with people sending their kids off to college where then every value they previously held is chucked in the bin. Why? Were these newly-adopted ideas so self-evidently better? No. Of course not. The attraction is that by holding these ideas they mark one as an enlightened thinker and not a country bumpkin. After all, even primitives can have a sense of ego. The author writes:
This is completely consistent with the cult programming indoctrinated into kids starting now in Kindergarten but taken to new heights in college where ego and prestige among the young is always a tender and vulnerable spot. This is why they hold so fast to “climate change” or their idyllic views of “the homeless.” It’s all about setting themselves up as The Golden Children and to set themselves up above the bumpkins—you know, the ones who prefer Shakespeare, Mozart, and Thomas Jefferson.
You can understand the wisdom of the Amish practice of Rumspringa where yutes first go out into the world before making a commitment to the Amish way of life. It’s a self-conscious realization that there is a choice to be made, thus yutes are somewhere forearmed for being forewarned. They can at least know they are choosing between tradition and newfangled.
Living in a jungle environment, the casting away of culture and tradition would normally be catastrophic, for there is no outsider named Karl Marx who knows better how to identify and avoid the death adders, for instance. But if you plan to leave the jungle, you have no need for jungle wisdom.
So there the analogy between New Guinea yutes and American college yutes breaks down. Unless you consider that, indeed, American yutes intend to leave the hated “jungle” of the world tjat their mean, racist, capitalist elders formed and move on into the utopia of socialism, inclusion, equality, social justice, tolerance, etc. Maybe the analogy is still apt even though in one instance there is a change in location (from jungle to outside the jungle) and with American yutes the geography is the same but this jungle will be “transformed” according to their own superior lights.
You can also see a new Pidgin English developing (or trying to) as these vicious yutes attempt to create a whole new set of pronouns. They will, and must, break away from the language as well. And it’s not about anyone being offended, per se. It’s about jettisoning all of the bumpkin rules and methods of the fuddy-duddy fathers of the past. Building a house upon sand comes to mind.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2019 21:51:03 GMT -8
That's an interesting idea, that Ebonics and all these other dialects could eventually become one large pidgin. We'll need to come up with a suitable mocking name for them. Pervert pidgin, perhaps?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 21:54:32 GMT -8
I remain perplexed about that passage. Here’s the relevant text:
Since when does it take the sea to recede for a river to form? And couldn’t you just walk to the sea even if you didn’t have a river? If the coast so was attractive as a destination for migration, surely the lack of a river wouldn’t have stopped anyone. I mean, yes, it’s a big island but you’ll hit water in any direction if you keep walking.
Surely there is a more complex story. Maybe there was a Pacific Islander Johnny Seafoodseed who went around planting oysters beds and such and thus changed the attractiveness of the coasts.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 6, 2019 22:08:21 GMT -8
I can’t type in the whole book. But the funny thing is that the Pidgin English known as “Tok Pisin” was thought by the natives to be the language spoken by the English (or Europeans). And when the English spoke English, the natives thought they were trying to speak Tok Pisin and completely incompetent at it. The natives would often snicker at their masters—employers, if you will, but it sounds as if they were more like massahs because the Tok Pisin word for “white man” was “masta”.
And…
Picture those who are speaking gibberish snickering at the white people who are speaking proper English.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 7, 2019 7:06:05 GMT -8
I first learned about this, as I said earlier, from an Encyclopedia Britannica article on Pidgin. It noted that a small amount of German made it in (Germany controlled northeastern New Guinea for about 30 years), and the Germans were concerned that the local lingua franca was based primarily on English. After 1914 this no longer mattered (though a small German force held out somewhere there throughout the war, presumably due to good relations with the natives).
The German colony there also included the Bismarck Archipelago (which is how that got its name -- their portion of New Guinea was called Kaiser Wilhelm Land, but that name didn't last, just as Neu Pommern and Neu Mecklenburg became New Britain and New Ireland, though I'm not sure which was which). The capital was Rabaul, which became a major Japanese base in World War II after they took it. (The Allies isolated it but never tried to take it back, much as they did with Truk.) The Australians took Rabaul early on, and the commander there surrendered the whole colony except for that one little force (which may well not have known about it, much like Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck in East Africa 4 years later).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 7, 2019 9:29:09 GMT -8
Gibbnonymous, the author has subsequently gone on to present a good case for why traveling from the deep jungle to anywhere else is so difficult:
Mud is no excuse. But I can see where the crocodiles could be a problem. Still, the question begs: How does anyone say with a straight face, “I live a degraded and harsh lifestyle chewing betel nut with blackened teeth, eating grubs, and never taking a bath — just as my father did and his father and his father’s father did.” At some point, shouldn’t one have aspirations above pounding sago into flour and dodging mosquitos?
At least one fellow has a vision slightly higher than a dirt floor:
I have not read on far enough to see if Moses is offering an Obama-like “hope-and-change” which simply means scamming the rubes and enriching the kings. However, good god, there is something wrong with a people who are satisfied with filth. The author continues:
The shopping malls, fences, and running water all sound good. I’m not sure that any of this can be produced top-down via the efforts of well-meaning NGOs. There’s the expression, “You can take the man out of the jungle….”
Still, we come from a different perspective living in America which was a place people escaped to because they did not like the status quo. But consider people who accept living a degraded life in the jungle as their highest aspiration. It makes me wonder if the stories of Adam and Even and the stories in the bible of people living hundreds of years isn’t true.
Haven’t we degraded since the first humans? I know the present idea is that we somehow “evolve,” onward and upward. But the only thing science has actually shown is that any changes to a species as it adapts to present circumstances if often or usually a degradation of its biological information.
So out of the blue I’m reading this book about people living in the jungle and most have no desire to change that. Maybe building shopping malls and waiting for the dead people to return from the countries with newly-white skin and money isn’t exactly the Protestant work ethic. But it beats eating grubs and pounding sago.
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