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Dec 17, 2019 9:20:55 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 9:20:55 GMT -8
Movies! has become a very interesting go-to over-the-air channel for old movies. And this isn’t just a selection of third-tier b-films of low-image-quality. I’ve caught some outstanding pictures (especially on their Film Noir night) Yesterday they aired The Music Man. I had only caught bits and pieces of this before. It never piqued my interest to go further with it. But Mr. Kung spoke well of this film so I decided to have a go. And those reasons that I was reticent remain valid: As a musical, the music in this isn’t particularly great. And although Robert Preston is hailed in this role (Cary Grant turned down the lead role and said he would never watch this as a movie without Preston), I don’t find him particularly charismatic. Nor is there much chemistry between him and Shirley Jones. It’s all forced and faked. I’m not surprised to read that Barbara Cook had been the staple in the role of Marian Paroo on Broadway. I would have loved to see her instead. That chemistry might have worked better. The only real heart in this film comes from the interplay of Preston and Ronny Howard who plays the very young child with the speech impediment. Professor Harold Hill may have had his heart tugged by Marian Paroo. But there was no reason to believe that he wasn’t doing the same short-term attachment that he’d done in so many towns before. Their love did not seem particularly everlasting. But with little Winthrop Paroo, Harold Hill’s conscience was pricked. The kid had burst out of his bubble at the thought of getting a coronet, wearing a costume, and marching in a band. How could Hill disappoint him? But then musicals typically are bare-threaded together by wafer-thin plots. This one is no exception. The plot is an excuse to get to one cleverly-choreographed song to another. And even if some of the songs are thing, the humor and staging is superb in this one. I think the best-ever musical number on film is still “With a Little Bit of Luck” from My Fair Lady. However, I’m willing to declare that the library scene from The Music Man is a close second. The town-hall scene that comes before is excellent as well. The running shtick of the barbershop quartet, The Buffalo Bills, glues this picture together and gives it some kind of continuity. And they’re always good for a laugh. Harold Hill’s interaction with them is superb and probably the best comedy in the film But I still find Shirley Jones to be wooden. But I loved her mother, Mrs. Paroo, played by Pert Kelton. She brought a solid humanity and believability to the role which is usually lacking in the cardboard-cutout characters typical of a musical. Another bit of interesting trivia about this film is that apparently Meredith Wilson “made more income off The Beatles' version of his song Till There Was You than he did off the play and the movie combined.” Frankly, I hadn't known that this song came from this musical. The movie is also noteworthy for it’s opening credits with some of the names “formed by a miniaturized, stop-motion animated marching band, who also form themselves into musical instruments on which the rest of the opening credits appear.” At the end of the day, I think I would have liked (or appreciated) Preston better playing off of someone more charismatic than Shirley Jones. Paul Ford is, of course, wonderful as the suspicious Mayor Shinn who is constantly meaning to track down Professor Hill’s credentials but seems to always wind up getting distracted. The lampooning of small-town life and characters remains just within the limits of charming rather than caustic. But at times it did feel like a Hollywood-outsider assault on normalcy. At the end of the day, the theme of the huckster-turned-hometown-boy was never much realized or believable. There seemed to be an act or two missing. On the other hand, one could easily trim 20 minutes out of what was already presented. I wonder how much they changed this from the stage play.
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Dec 17, 2019 9:46:31 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 9:46:31 GMT -8
There is a revival on Broadway of The Music Man. Tickets start at $99.00. The cast: Harold Hill: Hugh Jackman Marian Paroo: Sutton Foster
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Dec 17, 2019 10:01:41 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Dec 17, 2019 10:01:41 GMT -8
The library scene is indeed superb, but don't forget the Wells Fargo wagon. It was seeing her brother's enthusiasm over his new cornet that changed Marian the librarian's reaction to Harold Hill. I also rather like his sales pitch to Mrs. Paroo, when he concludes that Winthrop playing a cornet would never work. She asks in her Irish brogue, "And why not, in the name of St. Bridget?" "All the great cornet players were Irish." She has an excellent point in noting that he has a touch of the blarney.
And I have to mention that Preston later reprised the Harold Hill role in The Last Starfighter.
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Dec 17, 2019 10:39:50 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Dec 17, 2019 10:39:50 GMT -8
I think they could have very easily cut the "Shipoopee"(?) scene, and the film would have been better.
Overall, I found the costumes and sets to be excellent and agree the library scene was outstanding. The choreography was of a very high standard.
I first saw the film, in an old-fashioned movie house with big screen, as a young boy. It was very impressive. I loved the ending when Hill and the boy band lined up outside and by magic, they were transformed from a small-town group in somewhat drab uniforms into a real band in fantastic uniforms with gold braid and sparkle strutting down the main street of town.
To my mind, Preston was excellent at being smarmy and he moved surprisingly well. I loved his hand movements in the "Pool" scene.
As for songs, "Till There Was You" and "Trouble In River City" i.e. the "Pool" song were the only two which stand on their own, in my opinion. But every song in a musical does not have to be a hit for the musical to be good.
Some in my family were pretty involved in musicals during our high-school years. During a discussion with my speech teacher, who was helping direct one of these musicals, we got into a discussion on the differences between musicals and plays and how very very few actors could pull off the being the lead in a musical because of the blend of talents needed. He was of the opinion that, while not great, Preston pulled it off better than anyone else.
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Dec 17, 2019 10:56:15 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Dec 17, 2019 10:56:15 GMT -8
Well, note that Preston played the same role in essence in a non-musical, as I mentioned earlier. Many people immediately saw Harold Hill reprised in The Last Starfighter. I think even wikipedia mentioned it.
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Dec 17, 2019 11:06:24 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 11:06:24 GMT -8
Agreed, Mr. Kung.
Agreed. The tongue-in-cheek humor and look were very effective and an aesthetic that would be impossible for today’s writers/choreographers to produce with such unbridled nostalgic charm.
Yes, that was terrific. And Preston struttin’ his stuff as the band leader is iconic. Yes, the pool scene is terrific.
I missed most of this because a customer came in at the time. (Can you believe it? Who do they think they are?)
The thing is, he’s right. We can laugh at this now. But corruption does come from people playing pool instead of mending the screen door. Some balance must be achieved in a free society. But stigma against such places is needed and healthy. That it took a flimflam man to do so is neither here nor there.
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Dec 17, 2019 11:14:09 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Dec 17, 2019 11:14:09 GMT -8
"Ya got trouble" has been parodied in many ways. I recall one once by Carol Burnett, and naturally there was one in MAD Magazine. Incidentally, I understand Captain Billy's Whizbag (or whatever exactly it was) was a real thing but came out a good bit later. Dan Patch was a popular horse (though a pacer rather than trotter) of the era. A biography of Christy Mathewson I read many years back noted that he and Dan Patch may have been the most popular sports figures of the time.
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Dec 17, 2019 11:26:54 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 11:26:54 GMT -8
Here’s the band in the final scene…and as it transitions to the mystical Technicolor band.
I kept thinking throughout this, No wonder communities put emphasis on community theatres and orchestras.
The community theatres these days are as likely to produce subversive trash. But there’s nothing like Brahms, Beethoven, and Bach, whether one is “thinking” it or actually playing it, to raise a community up and give it a focus beyond, well, raising pigs.
Still, not to be too nit picky, but it seems a false narrative of sorts, especially as seen today. One could reasonably say that small-town life is a reservoir of decency and that anything coming in by marketeers (or by Hollywood movies) is subversive.
But, hey, it’s a movie. And the theme of this small town being enlivened by a little culture and fun is certainly the flip side of the coin. Small communities can be the death of vibrant life. They can be so in-bred and a bit too goody-two-shoes. Maybe we don’t need a pool hall but maybe a bowling alley or two.
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Dec 17, 2019 11:28:46 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 11:28:46 GMT -8
History has spoken on that matter. And I bow to history.
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Dec 17, 2019 11:29:36 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 11:29:36 GMT -8
He’s a superb character in that movie.
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Dec 17, 2019 12:11:17 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Dec 17, 2019 12:11:17 GMT -8
Of course, I forgot to mention "Seventy-Six Trombones" as a song that stood on its own.
As a kid, I loved the way Preston pranced down the street in that scene. I can't tell you why other that it displayed an exuberant love of life.
I suppose I have also been partial to this musical as it was one of the many which my mother designed costumes for. My older brother also played the role of the mayor. I can still hear him say "He's slipperier that a Mississippi sturgeon", when talking about Prof. Harold Hill to some townsfolk.
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Dec 17, 2019 12:23:19 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Dec 17, 2019 12:23:19 GMT -8
The problem with local theaters (small towns, schools, whatever) is that it sometimes only takes one SJW complaining about, say, putting on Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians because the original British title of the novel contained an impermissible word beginning with "n" to spoil things. (This actually happened a decade or so ago with a Cincinnati school. Some NAACP chap with a large chip on his shoulder complained about it, and they didn't put it on in the end even though no one watching it would get any idea of that.)
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Dec 17, 2019 12:25:15 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 12:25:15 GMT -8
It is the lubricant that allows suspension-of-musical-disbelief to slip comfortably by. It’s a great song. Your taste is superb as usual.
That's a very special connection to have. And I’m thinking that only Jim Carrey could have portrayed that exuberance as convincingly. And I don’t think I’ll be spending $99.00+ to watch Hugh Jackman in the role in the play. Nothing against Hugh Jackman. But I’m not sure he’s going to fill those shoes.
And watching the marching band being led with such exuberance reminds me of the scene in Animal House where the guy hijacks the band:
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Dec 17, 2019 12:33:13 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 12:33:13 GMT -8
Regarding political correctness, I fail to see nearly anyone (including chicken burger franchises) standing up to this nonsense.
I haven’t been able to find a video of the first rendition of “76 Trombones.” But here’s one that at least does have the soundtrack. It’s a little risqué. I can hear Obi-Wan Kenobi saying with a wave of his Jedi hand, “These are not the costumes you are looking for.”
Still, I do love the scene in the town hall and his rendition of the song.
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Dec 17, 2019 12:43:07 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Dec 17, 2019 12:43:07 GMT -8
Whow! If you think pool would corrupt a town.......
I am surprised they could find so many thin girls in America; if it is America.
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Dec 17, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Dec 17, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -8
What do you mean by the first rendition of "76 Trombones". Obviously, anyone who shows the whole movie (as TCM occasionally does, and in fact recently did) will have the scene in which Hill interrupts the town gathering (with a little help from his friend played by Buddy Hackett).
Incidentally, I think Hackett's performance was another of the movie's assets.
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Dec 17, 2019 13:42:54 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 13:42:54 GMT -8
I’m listening to the soundtrack album of The Music Man via Apple Music. It’s the actual soundtrack, not a re-recored effort after-the-fact as many are. I’ll skip over mention of some songs, even good ones.
Rock Island: This is the song (after the opening titles) that begins the movie. It’s where all the traveling salesman are on the train. This is a superb number. The song is so-so. But the way it is done is wonderful and sets the tone for the rest of the musical.
Goodnight, My Someone: This is Shirley Jones’ best song and scene. It’s very effective. And only by reading after-the-fact did I realize it is a slowed-down, feminized (in a good way) version of “76 Trombones.” Again, superb.
Sincere: A good vehicle for The Buffalo Bills
Sadder But Wiser Girl For Me: This song is a bit risqué. But I love it. It’s also the deepest of the bunch. Preston is excellent with this one.
Marian The Librarian: This is perhaps Robert Preston’s best song, as good as he is with “76 Trombones.”
Gary, Indiana: I know it’s sort of essential to the plot. But I could cut this one and not miss it.
Pick a Little, Talk a Little: Hilarious and shows the essential character of this particular musical.
Shipoopi: Like Mr. Kung, I think they could have scrapped this one.
One of the problems with the musical, in retrospect, is that there are not quite enough breaks from the rat-a-tat fast motion. One or two soft ballads in place of a couple of those would have served them well. Apparently Meredith wrote 70 songs in all. The film has 17 of them. I’m not sure how many were used in the stage production. But the trivia section does say that “My White Knight was the only song from the Broadway production not to survive the transition from stage to screen.”
The running Balzac joke is hilarious.
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Dec 17, 2019 13:44:13 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 13:44:13 GMT -8
LOL. Yes. That video is so wrong from so many angles. Which is what makes it right.
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Dec 17, 2019 13:46:16 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 13:46:16 GMT -8
Well, let’s see. The first rendition is during the opening credits. Then when Professor Hill is trying to sell the idea of a band at the town hall. (This is the one I was referring to.) And the third time (at least) that it is done is at the end.
Yes, I thought Hackett was fine. But a little Buddy Hackett goes a long way.
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Dec 17, 2019 14:00:13 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 14:00:13 GMT -8
This is another rendition of “76 Trombones.” Much of this movie comes off as just a bit glib. But this is a great scene…and one of the better moments between Preston and Jones.
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