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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 28, 2021 16:12:57 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 28, 2021 16:34:18 GMT -8
I think we here at R&T have the "eccentric" part covered. I also suspect we might be more inclined to protect Jews, particularly if the lady of the family could make a good chopped chicken liver sandwich. That would be worth the risk. In any case, we eccentrics must stick together.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 28, 2021 19:41:20 GMT -8
This was just brought to my attention by a friend overseas. Who would have thunk it? It takes the Indian Bar Association to start bringing the KFF criminals to justice. The IBA has brought legal action against an Indian MD who works for the WHO. This MD pushed back against the use of Ivermectin and as a result an Indian state, stopped giving patients access to the drug. Deaths skyrocketed in that state, while deaths declined in Indian states which kept using Ivermection. This legal action appears to be serious with charges of "mass murder," under section 302 of the Indian penal code, being made. Thank you Indian Bar Association I look forward to Fauci (and many others) being brought up on charges and sentenced to death as well.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 28, 2021 20:15:35 GMT -8
LOL. Ya think? as they say. In a world increasingly populated by weirdos, it's taken some of the meat out of being an eccentric. But as you often say, the "eccentrics" of today are all basically "doing their own" thing, which is more or less the same thing in the mass mind. So even "eccentrics" ain't what they used to be.
I prefer to think of myself as idiosyncratic, which is not to be confused with idiotsyncratic.
There's no arguing with that. I haven't delved into Jewish literature (other than the bible). But I have read my share about Christian saints. And what I think is notable is that it is unlikely we could discuss the essence of this subject outside of these idiosyncratic (or eccentric) walls. The things most of the saints did makes no sense in our world. Nor was what they did particularly commonplace in their world either.
I'm watching this Welsh show on Britbox (I'll review it later). One yute tells his mother he doesn't want any milk because it's unethical. But he can have macadamia nuts because they have a low carbon footprint.
And I don't mean to demean that, per se. That's nutty in its own right, but trying to be moral is not a thing to be scoffed at. But this isn't morality on display here. It's a kind of conceited form of fashionable virtue-signaling.
When you delve into the lives of Christian saints, their hardships, virtues, and sacrifices were not trivial. Hell, they typically suffered and sacrificed more in one day than these virtue-signalers will do in a lifetime.
Think about the fact that many of these idiotsyncratic mask-wearers of today (who claim to care so much for mankind) are scared to death to drive outside in their car without a mask on. On the other hand, St. Francis and his brothers attended to the wounds of lepers. And, early in his mission, to overcome his own sense of shame at being repulsed by one of god's own creatures, he actually at one point kissed the wounds of a leper.
No, we might not do that in our time. (There are perhaps more effective ways to care.) But the point is, I think we can understand where he was coming from. St. Francis did not view his life as the most precious thing in the universe. He viewed God as the highest. And because He made us all, each being was something precious. Mere utility didn't enter into the equation.
This way of thinking, I would posit, is almost complete drained out of our culture. I completely agree with Prager when he mentions the catastrophic effect of banishing Judeo-Christian morals from our culture. But these morals have been drained from churches and synagogues as well to a great extent. Few of even the religious, I believe, can talk in anything but a utilitarian language, or a language filled with Progressive-style touchy-feely cliches where slogans have replaced all thinking and reasoning. And you can't be a moral person without a fair bit of reason. And you certainly can't think morally if the only context for your actions is what the mass mind thinks about it.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 28, 2021 20:30:38 GMT -8
In any case, we eccentrics must stick together. Let us pray that necessity never comes, should it however, happen it will be as it always is a small minority. My guess is a mask test. People who calmly and obediently mask up for no good reason are less likely to buck the system to hide anyone. So, if you neighbor or friend, just puts on a mask, especially outside, don't depend on them in any crisis. On Mt. Herzl there is a separate grove of trees planted for every known person who helped or defended Jews during the holocaust. I don't want anymore names added to the list. I trust your integrity and understand that you would stand with the righteous but let us thank G-d it is not necessary yet.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 28, 2021 20:54:19 GMT -8
I haven't delved into Jewish literature Ah Brad, There is a world of literature to choose but for the Western mind I suggest the short stories of Shalom Aleichem. These are the original Teve stories the Fiddler on the Roof was built on. A more Americanized novel by Chaim Potok, The Chosen is also a good start. More esoteric are the novels and stories by Issac Singer, written originally in Yiddish but many of the translations were done by singer himself. I highly recommend Souls on Fire, by Elie Wiesel. In it Wiesel tells the stories of some of the great Hasidic Rebbes of Eastern Europe. He doesn't offer to explain their philosophy, but merely tells their stories as he learned them. Some he learned in Hebrew school before the war, others in the camps, and others after the war. His goal was to bring these interesting men literary life as their culture was completely destroyed. Then there is the religious work by various Eastern European sages and mystics. Try to stay away from them they make even Jew's heads hurt.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 29, 2021 7:50:54 GMT -8
Oh, good god, that is almost certainly true. Living in a world of people who so easily give into the mass mind is like living inside the movie, The Wicker Man. There is no doubt that the last people you can depend on to be morally courageous is a mask-wearer.
And I don’t consider myself particularly morally courageous or I would have (fill in the blank) and been in jail by now. But there’s a stubborn streak in me that does not abide by mass-mind stupidity. I would hide Jews in my basement, kitchen, and attic if only to defy these bastards. But clearly there are better reasons to help your fellow man than that. But sometimes you gotta take what you can get.
What a wonderful thing that is. And, no, we don’t want that particular garden expanded.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 29, 2021 8:16:32 GMT -8
I will see if I can find that. I generally like short stories. I’ll try to start with that and maybe move on to some of your other suggestions. This would appear to be one of his books at Amazon in hard cover. They also have it at the Internet Archive. I’m trying to create an account so that I can check the book out. Okay, I registered and then found out you can check out a book only for an hour. I’m not sure what good that is. Oh, wait. I see a 15 day option. I’ll give that a try. Okay. I can view a scanned pdf on my iPad. Cumbersome but doable. The book starts with “The Town of the Little People.” No doubt they are Biden voters. But I’d better read on first before forming any conclusions.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 29, 2021 8:50:20 GMT -8
An excellent piece which gives data as to why the "vaccines" are useless and mandates unlawful. Karl Denninger I had not heard of this man until a week or so back. What I have read by him to-date, is very sensible.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 29, 2021 8:59:31 GMT -8
I have a healthy dislike of John Stuart Mill because of his obsession with "utility." I find there are two basic flaws with the "utility" philosophy and the second follows from the first.
1. To a large degree, Utility reduces everything to materialistic and statistical parameters. Thus life is reduced to nothing more than numbers. That which cannot be measured in therefore not considered relevant.
2. Because Utility deals mainly with measurements, it does not deal in any depth with a large portion of human life and existence. It deals only with simplistic questions, i.e. that which can be easily measured or quantified, but avoids the really difficult questions which defy numbers. Marxism suffers from the same shortcomings.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 29, 2021 9:02:24 GMT -8
One can only know if one's integrity is true by the testing of that integrity. I know how I would like to think I would act in such a situation, but hope to God that I am never put to the test.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 29, 2021 14:45:17 GMT -8
That’s an excellent way to describe it and why our modern “scientific” age is often so morally challenged.
That is exactly the disease called “scientism,” “materialism,” or “atheism.” I’ve had discussions with people online. I’m certainly not given to excessive voodoo or speculation. But I’ve encountered people (and this seems to be the mainstream thinking) that to deal in any kind of esoteric topic is “to let superstition in via the back door,” etc. In effect, people have walled themselves off from moral questions, not to mention a richer philosophy than whatever idiot slogans they find on Facebook.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 29, 2021 18:43:23 GMT -8
They're not going to jab me. And there is real, non-hysterical, concern for what this new type of vaccine will do to you long-term.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 29, 2021 20:10:00 GMT -8
As I keep pointing out, these vaccines are experimental gene therapy. By the time the experiment is over they will have the largest number of drug-trial participants in the history of medicine. In fact, that is already the case.
We are already seeing the short-term effects. Wait until 2023 for medium-term and then watch the number of long-term effects explode.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 30, 2021 7:08:34 GMT -8
We’ll see. But the sheep still seem willing to be sheered so I’m not sure anyone will take notice.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 30, 2021 7:17:30 GMT -8
And there is real, non-hysterical, concern for what this new type of vaccine will do to you long-term. Our initial reaction was to wait on the vaccine. However, the effectiveness seems to be high enough to mitigate the risk for our ages. Im' 73 and wifey is 70 we both have some health concerns, but the turning point for both of us was my step daughter who has serious heart problems and getting even the regular flu would be concerning and possible hospitalization. So, we did get the jab. To date, neither of us have been sick with KFF or even regular flu. Vaccinating people who have no health problems and are in general good health is and should be an individual decision and children under 18 are at minimal risk with recovery rate in 99%. 99% of everybody survives walking out their frond door every day, but do we keep the front door locked because someone might die using it? Mature adults are capable of making adult decisions, let them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 30, 2021 7:39:33 GMT -8
Metaphorically, this is exactly what is occurring. Glad you survived the jab.
Well, that’s the problem. There is a shortage of mature adults. Our Betters are working 24/7 to create a compliant and dependent class of adult-children. So far so good in that regard.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 30, 2021 8:39:56 GMT -8
This is the crux of the problem. The "State" is pushing the vaccine on everyone. This is happening to a greater or lesser degree across the world, but it is happening. Australia appears to be the worst, at the moment, but the demands Biden is making are not far behind. This is completely against our laws and tyrannical.
From the beginning, I have been for vaccine choice. Best of all would be informed choice, but the propaganda machine is doing its best to keep information, which may be less than flattering about the vaccine, out of the public realm. Still, even uninformed choice is better than no choice. And there is plenty of info out there if people wish to spend the time looking into things.
Worst of all is the push to give the vaccine to people under 18 years of age. There is absolutely no need for such a thing.
The point is that this whole episode is not about public health. There is something else behind it.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 30, 2021 13:12:52 GMT -8
The point is that this whole episode is not about public health. There is something else behind it About 120 years ago Theodore Roosevelt said of America and Americans. "There world will never lover us, they may respect us, even fear us for we have too much audacity." For the last 100 years the world, especially the leftist part of it, has endeavored to take down the US, even our own presidents have worked against us on occasion. That did not become a real problem until 2008 and election of Obama. Since then the left has been working to "fundamentally transform the United States". The eight years of Obama brought in a cohort of bureaucrats in DC and state capitals who have no respect for the rule of law of the traditions of our country. It is not that there were not leftist activists in the federal, state and local governments but Obama gave them power to act and the last 20 months are proof of their actions. They no longer need direction from above, Obama, but know exactly what he requires without a word said. Biden doesn't need to converse with Obama to know what he wants done. After all he spent 8 years learned from a master communist how to destroy our culture and he does it daily. Hillary, had she been elected, would be doing the same. That is why the howl of outrage about Trump. He upset the apple cart and now they are determined to get back on track. The power behind the democrat party and most of our problems, from the KFF, border, inflation, energy, and Afghanistan is the same one it has been since 2008 Barack Obama . Don't be surprised to see him emerge as the trusted elder statesman who can solve all problems when he is dictator for life.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 30, 2021 14:41:15 GMT -8
This piece lays out how Indian States which used Ivermection and other therapeutics did much better than Indian States which pushed the vaccine. This information, and more, should be used to go after Fauci and others who are responsible for many many deaths. Uttar Pradesh Doctors were handing out kits with the following contents.
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