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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 5, 2023 19:44:58 GMT -8
Every response you listed sounded like something from the leftist site Wikipedia. The only difference I see is that instead of having to look something up and read through the whole page, ChatGPT distills its leftist doctrine in a manner which would make an eight-grade essayist proud. Watch out CliffsNotes.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 5, 2023 19:54:10 GMT -8
I believe the real danger of AI is due to the expanding "connectivity" across the world. I don't like it. I see it as something like the accumulation of power which has taken place in the medical system, our federal government, the media and many other areas, but potentially much worse. Fewer institutions control more power and are presented with fewer limits on the exercise of their power. This basic threat was known by our Founding Fathers and expressed brilliantly by a Brit, Lord Acton. "All power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Google is the biggest villain in this area.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 5, 2023 20:28:12 GMT -8
We saw that "connectivity" when almost the entire world shared the same hysterical lockdown plan over the KFF.
We see kids staring hours on end into phone screens. Reports are that many do not comfortably partake in normal social interaction. (Feminism is a large part of this as well.)
Atheism, pessimism, grievance, and victimhood have captured a large portion of the masses.
Art and creativity suffer. Even comedy is all but dead.
AI may parallel, even exacerbate, some of this. But what I see is a species that is becoming ever more closeted, grumpy, and self-centered. Human compassion is getting rare. And, no, I don't count "nice" as true human compassion.
We're turning into a society of shallow and morally dubious people. And if AI further leads us down the rabbit hole of staring into computer screens, that won't be a good thing.
I've never said this before, but never have I personally felt so alienated from the human race. That should not be interpreted as a personal emotional issue. I mean in terms of the culture going cuckoo while all the traditional normal things are forgotten. The normalcy quotient is very low right now.
Suffice it to say, it is a difficult distinction to make between superstition and intuition. But my intuition is that something very bad is going to happen.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 6, 2023 7:45:56 GMT -8
Yes, confirmed. 2001: A Space Odyssey starts to enter the event horizon of a cinematic black hole when Dave Bowman and Frank Poole enter the pod to talk about HAL. First off, why did they have to do so privately? Obviously the film makers want to create a sense of conflict and distrust. But Bowman (as he does later in the film) could have turned off HAL's higher functions at his own discretion just by walking into the computer room and flipping a couple of switches.
Do you hide and isolate yourself when considering uninstalling Windows on your PC and replacing it with Linux? That's how the stupid sequence plays out, for there is never even remotely the suggestion that HAL can't and shouldn't be turned off or disobeyed at the complete discretion of the astronauts. But instead they treat HAL (as I've said before) as the intrusive and dangerous Communist Party political officer who is (was) the dread of all else around them. When Poole and Bowman do enter the pod and close the door in order to discuss what to do about HAL, they are already facing away from HAL's camera. But they tell HAL to rotate the pod and this brings HAL's camera into view through the pod window. Talk about a McGuffin. And I already mentioned the stupid plot point of lip reading. If they were so deathly afraid of HAL, why did they not forget this rather obvious precaution? And it is clear that they are deathly afraid of HAL. But they then proceed to take no sensible precautions. Poole goes outside in the pod to replace the electronics box (which HAL had incorrectly said would fail) back into the antenna with the plan to see if it would fail on its own as HAL had predicted, despite the two astronauts finding no fault in the components. No precautions are taken or even hinted at. Then when HAL kills Poole during Poole's EVA, Bowman gets in a pod – without his helmet – to retrieve Poole's body. This becomes yet another stupid plot point because HAL won't let Bowman back into the ship. Bowman tells HAL (at this point, why tell HAL anything?) that he will use the emergency airlock. HAL states that he may find this difficult without a helmet. Soon after Bowman enters the ship (now with a helmet that he's picked up somewhere...he's finally taking his first precaution) and disengages HAL's higher function. We then basically cut to the dumbest ending in movie history, although I'll grant that in the early stages, it is very colorful. The IMDB trivia sections states: That's the first I've heard of that. It sounds made up, although I don't doubt that some bums and hippies took drugs just to enjoy the end of the movie. Obviously that is the only way the ending can make any sense. They have a quote from Rock Hudson about the movie: That's a very sensible point of view. However, child-molester Arthur C. Clarke stated: "If you understand '2001' completely, we failed. We wanted to raise far more questions than we answered." That is the point of view of a complete intellectual asshole. There are no questions raised. The only logical viewpoint from the point of view of the audience is that the film makers themselves were on drugs when they made this. The movie was already crumbling before the final psychedelic sequence. But had that final sequence engaged in just a minute or so of the crazy colors, and then had some kind of ending that made some kind of sense (even if a little obscure), you would have had something. But watching the ending yet again confirms that these guys were either on drugs or were seriously drinking some kind of weird cinematic kool-aid. It's hard to believe that anyone thought this was good. It just runs on for too long. And if there was a point to be made about Bowman being transported into some kind of other dimension or place, that point is lost in the sheer randomness and stupidity of the lengthy ending graphical sequence. Maybe one day (and I expect this will happen), ChatGPT or some other smart AI robot will rewrite the ending so that it is interesting and makes some kind of sense.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 6, 2023 10:44:57 GMT -8
From personal experience and many decades of study, I have come to the conclusion that society has never been very moral. It is my belief that the overwhelming number of people are upright just as long as 1) it does not cost them and 2) they know that they will be punished if caught breaking the law.
Today, we are a people constantly on the move. People without a physical community in the sense that they do not know their neighbors. Increasingly, we do not interact with others in person. People are increasingly poorly educated and have a somewhat loose grasp on reality so they are not intelligent enough to know what is in their interest, what will cost them and whether or not they are breaking the law.
No doubt communities had a orderly effect on people. When one belongs to a community in which all members are known, one is encouraged/coerced into a minimum of good behavior. Such a community does not appear to exist for many millions in this country. In this sense, I agree that we are rapidly turning into a society which is much worse than that which preceded it by one-hundred-or-so years.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 6, 2023 11:09:32 GMT -8
I believe this is exactly that case. It's exacerbated as more and more people are crammed into inherently faceless cities.
We may laugh at the artificial sense of "community" that many try to reach via marching in this or that parade. But at the end of the day, if you don't know your neighbor, and don't care to know your neighbor, it isn't "community" that you are partaking in but basically yet another low-level and meaningless political statement masquerading as something genuine.
I'm not saying that the Almighty should do so, but if every city of the population of 500,000 or more was suddenly destroyed by fire-and-brimestone, we would not be worse off.
Today, big cities are the breeding ground for almost all the social pathologies that plague us. Maybe A.I. will truly be intelligent and will tell yutes, "Go outside and play. Don't spend so much time interacting with faceless machines and pretending that the people you know online are your friends."
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 6, 2023 19:51:27 GMT -8
I couldn't recall the ending so I had to look for it on the web. After watching it, I think this would have been cool on an 8th or 9th grade level at the time. It is bizarre and can mean anything or nothing at all. Of course, modern "artists" find it very difficult to improve on that which has preceded them thus they have to go for the bizarre and nonsensical. And by the way, I agree that the child-molesting-scum-bag Arthur C. Clarke was an intellectual asshole. I hope Issac Asimov was a better writer.
Frankly, I think it was Strauss' "Also sprach Zarathustra" which made the film.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 7, 2023 7:14:21 GMT -8
Yes, the use of the Strauss music was exquisite. There is a lot about 2001: A Space Odyssey that is extraordinary. But then the cinematic Icaruses (Icarusi?) flew too close to the sun in their attempt to outdo their own majestic and transcendent themes. And the wax melted and the movie fell completely apart.
But, yes, those are some pretty spectacular colors for the first moments. And then it goes on. And on. The wax begins to warm and then becomes pliable. About the time we are flying over some planet that obviously is rendered using some Stupid Filter Tricks, one wing has detached and Icarus begins spiraling out of control.
This is, of course, the very Mission Statement of all the arts these days. The past may be ignored, for we modern artists are not constrained, especially by the common influencer of art which was religion. We are not to be constrained by any outmoded and repressed notions of decency or beauty.
So you have entire generations of pseudo-adult artists who basically have been taught (contra one of the main themes of traditional Kindergarten) to specifically draw outside the lines, just for the sake of doing so.
And if beauty is passe, then let us be daring and explore various forms of the ugly, perverse, and antagonistic.
That's not to say the Stanley Kubrick and others necessarily were drinking that kool-aid at the time. But the ending, to my eye, does speak of the idea that we Golden Children cannot be held to the same cinematic constraints as others. For a movie to "make sense" is just an old fashioned notion.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 10, 2023 9:33:20 GMT -8
I rented 2010: Odyssey Two this weekend. I didn't know the official subtitle was "The Year We Make Contact." Well, they really don't make any more contact than they did in the first movie. In my opinion, the second movie is much better. It's a better story and better actors. Granted, the first movie was grand. That was the point. It was so grand that it didn't matter if it made any sense. To quote Sir Arthur Perv: "If you understand '2001' completely, we failed. We wanted to raise far more questions than we answered." The second movie still retains a fair amount of mystery. But it makes much more sense. And in the first movie, almost everything was subservient to the special effects...including the actors. Gary Lockwood (Frank Poole) is probably the only one who shows up to put in the barest performance in the first movie. The others, although probably fine actors, are constrained by the generally awful script. It's a grandiose script meant to awe us with how amazing the filmmakers' grand sense of style and taste is, but they certainly didn't intend to awe us with a story or else the ending would have made some kind of sense. In 2010, you have Roy Scheider providing a much more human scale to things. And even the Russians – who have a reason to be standoffish – do a nice job in portraying real people. There is less that is "iconic" in this second movie. But, from my point of view, the story is much, much better. I still don't quite understand why HAL went bonkers in the first movie. But Bob Balaban is excellent as the scientifically compassionate Dr. R. Chandra. He explains it well enough what went wrong. He also nicely ties in with the first movie, treating HAL somewhat like you would a mental patient or Leftist-on-Facebook where you have to be really namby-pamby and couch your language in all kinds of nicey-nice lest the other person wig out. You get the distinct impression that HAL (and SAL, a later model) are so intellectually and emotionally fragile that you have to be extra-careful how you talk to them. This isn't (I think) specifically meant to be a plot-point. But that's how it comes across. Keir Dullea (strange name) again appears as Dave Bowman and they've been able to make him look as young as he was in the first movie. Dana Elcar is excellent as the Russian official in the early conversation with Dr. Floyd about the need for the Americans and Russians to pool their resources. Note that this second movie has a rating of 6.7 at IMDB and the second movie is rated 8.7. Again, I think 2001 simply has the reputation of being a great movie for being "groundbreaking," which it was. But I'd say the second movie has a far better story. It's not bogged down by the pretentious elements of the first movie. I know I've ready the third book, 2061: Odyssey Three. You can find the plot summary here. I don’t; think that I've read the fourth and final novel, 3001: The Final Odyssey. You can find the plot summary here: Here's some of that plot summary for the fourth book:
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