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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 19, 2021 10:17:11 GMT -8
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Post by artraveler on Sept 19, 2021 11:01:46 GMT -8
Milley or Miley one is a a treasonous whore the other is just a whore.
Your choice.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 19, 2021 14:02:51 GMT -8
Ruining every institution in America just so a few cross-dressers can feel good about themselves is not my idea of justice. Just a thought that popped into my mind.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 21, 2021 8:15:22 GMT -8
A fascinating discussion between VDH and HR McMaster with Peter Robinson in the middle. The subjects cover not only the embarrassment of Afghanistan but border topics of national will and the role of the military in a post-modern society. It was good to see VDH get flustered and off his pedestal by someone who actually has been there and done that. Although, VDH got in blows also. Robinson completely lost control several times. It was fun and informative. www.hoover.org/research/lost-war-conversation-victor-davis-hanson-and-h-r-mcmaster-afghanistans-past-present-and |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 21, 2021 18:12:51 GMT -8
Watching it now. At about 11:45 the substance begins. It's mostly (to my mind) idle chatter before then. And then McMaster astounds me with his comment by saying:
WTF? I'm too flabbergasted to parse this. I hope Mr. Flu can for me. Even the back seat drivers seem utterly confused.
Boy, that McMaster is an asshole. Go to about 28 minutes.
This McMaster guy was a national security advisor? No wonder it was such a clusterfuck in Afghanistan. I am truly astounded by this guy's ignorance.
I got about half way through it and it's all I could take. But I think I do understand the situation better now. It was VDH who should have been the national security advisor, not this clown. Peter inserted a couple quotes from some others that I thought were very spot on.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 22, 2021 4:26:39 GMT -8
Heck, it didn't need to be Denmark. It just needed to be Afghanistan. McMaster is stating a truth that got us into the same trouble in Nam. Remember he is talking about George W Bush not Trump or even Obama. One of our faults as a culture is the belief that every people have a desire for Western style freedoms. Because we have been successful politically and economically we assume that other people have the same goals. This hubris is hard to defeat. As a people we want others to enjoy the freedom in our style. If it is possible to gift parts of the Afghan people with schools, roads, and cell towers then we can do so, but we must demand a price for this support. (TNSTAAFL) either politically, or economically. Afghanistan is not a nation of people with common hopes, dreams, desires, or even religion. It is a place filled with different tribes who make war on each other. The only uniting factor is the presence of a foreign power, like Alexander and his Greeks, British Redcoats, Russians or Americans. The PRC will have the same problems trying to make these people communist. As for McMaster as national security advisor. Remember it was the first months of the Trump administration and I think Trump chose him for his book, Dereliction of Duty. It was a way of showing new thinking at the top. As a lot of marriages it did not work. Both men had visions of what and who the other is and they were not compatible. McMaster has a hair trigger temper. I'm sure you noted it in the interview and Trump is known as a man who demands loyalty. It was a bad fit and McMaster was gone not as soon as I would have liked. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 22, 2021 6:09:49 GMT -8
This McMaster guy seemed a compendium of cliches. He seemed detached from reality
I totally agree. Unless that appeared in the second half of the show, I didn’t get that at all from McMaster. He seemed of exactly the opposite attitude.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 22, 2021 6:13:09 GMT -8
Had McMaster had a smidgen of this attitude he wouldn’t have seemed so much like a bureaucratic clown. Only VDH seemed to be able to think beyond cliches
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The more I think about it, I think McMaster has grown up in the atmosphere where you can’t criticize Muslims. And if that is your attitude, you’re pretty much fucked when it comes to parsing the truth.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 22, 2021 6:58:56 GMT -8
Had McMaster had a smidgen of this attitude he wouldn’t have seemed so much like a bureaucratic clown. He did, but it was Captain McMaster who wrote Dereliction of Duty. Lt. General McMaster only repeats what he said then, but I don't think he believes it. That might be a contributing factor to his leaving the Trump administration. 30 years ago he helped rewrite armored war in the desert and I give him credit for that. Today he is bought into the defense establishment little better than Milley. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 22, 2021 7:57:35 GMT -8
Okay, thank you with your patience for me knee-jerk reactions. I can see that the situation is complicated by the fact that there are two different McMasters.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 22, 2021 15:57:12 GMT -8
I have had a cold for the last few days so I haven't had the energy to face watching that video. I will try to do so in the next day or so.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 22, 2021 18:07:45 GMT -8
Cold schmold. It's COVID. Don't try to kid yourself. All the same, hope you're getting better. Please remember to sneeze on all the liberals.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 24, 2021 10:22:29 GMT -8
I am through to about 31-32 minutes. I find it hard to listen to McMaster. The man is either lying or a complete fool. He basically blames the corruption which was rampant throughout our time in Afghanistan on the USA not having the "back" of our Afghan allies. He completely ignores history, culture and human nature.
He tries to sweep aside the insanity of our trying to push the LBGTQRSTUVWXYZ agenda on a 14th century Muslim society by saying the Taliban never had majority support in polls done in Afghanistan by some American polling firm.
He uses data the same way the criminals pushing the KFF fraud use data. They pick and chose the most superficial info which supports their agenda. If they can't find date they like, they make it up. It is an excuse for not thinking hard and getting down to the facts on the ground.
The Afghanistan debacle fits right in with the Globalist agenda which has been growing since the second half of Reagan's administration. These people want open borders with a free-flow of people around the world. Unfortunately, with a bunch of crazed jihadists in the world, open borders present something of a problem. So in order to keep borders open the US military has to go where the jihadists are and act as a world policemen keeping the jihadists in check. If we don't do this it will hurt the free-flow of people around the world and business.
I will say that McMaster gets a bit better after about 40 minutes.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 24, 2021 12:41:33 GMT -8
About 30 was all I could take. It was just a clusterfuck of confusion and BS coming from McMaster. VDH couldn't really clean it up fast enough. Glad that McMaster got better in that.
Thanks for ripping him a new one. You pretty much explained what I had stuck in my head but was too flustered to express. "WTF?" isn't quite the same as analysis. But sometimes it's all one has. Geez.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 25, 2021 8:41:44 GMT -8
The most disturbing thing said in that interview was by Victor David Hanson. He mentioned that he had taught at a number of different universities, including Berkley, and the Naval Academy was the most woke of them all.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 25, 2021 9:04:39 GMT -8
Yikes.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 26, 2021 8:07:26 GMT -8
He mentioned that he had taught at a number of different universities, including Berkley, and the Naval Academy was the most woke of them all. Shouldn't a most notable historian and classicist teach even in schools that are 180 degrees opposite his political teachings? VDH also teaches at Stanford and Hillsdale and has been guest lecturer at almost all of California state universities. In addition, even the naval academy knows what they are getting when he shows up and they invite him anyway. That he is willing to often go into the lion's mouth speaks more highly of him and his ability to communicate a message that we all deem important. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 26, 2021 9:50:59 GMT -8
So absolutely true.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 26, 2021 13:50:30 GMT -8
I completely agree and there is no doubt we need more like him. What I find amazing, though, is that the U.S. Naval Academy could be more "woke" than Berkely or other California universities. This is stunning.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 10, 2021 22:19:34 GMT -8
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