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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 15, 2022 16:14:48 GMT -8
In episode 8 right now, Delores is in danger of a gang of Confederados having their way with her. Can't wait until that one black-hat guest dude (whose friend is the current boyfriend of Delores) gets gutted by Delores or someone.
Although she doesn't have much of a rack, I've takin' a shini' to Delores.
Other than Bernard (and his is a more subtle role), I'm not sure that anyone comes close. I do like the dorky tech dudes who Maeve blackmails into helping her upgrade. They are so (I suppose) unintentionally funny. If people like that are in your tech department in charge of billions of dollars of hardware, you're going to have problems with more than just the odd renegade Host.
Of course, as you noted, they certainly do. I don't know how Armageddon will come, but it could come as a Host uprising.
My only real criticism of the series is that I get a little tired of the cowboy stuff. I realize it is called Westworld. But I'm just not interested in gunplay unless John Wayne, Kevin Costner, or Robert Duvall are laying out some lead. I find a lot of these storylines to be dull.
I watched about 30 minutes of the Elvis movie with Tom Hanks on HBO. Can't recommend it and I certainly won't go any further in it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 16, 2022 6:44:33 GMT -8
Westworld: The mystery is not who Arnold is, or who Ed Harris' character is, or what's up with Deloros. It's how they can shoot as many shells as shot at the Allies hitting Normandy beach and not have an accident. Alec Baldwin's production couldn't get through a few dozen without a fatality.
Clearly what comes to pass at the end of the last episode of season one in the expected Revenge of the Hosts isn't about revenge. It's about trimming the budget. Anthony Hopkins will make a few more appearances (gauging by IMDB appearance data), but his character is all but reduced.
And, yeah, of course because we didn't actually see Ed Harris' "Man in Black" character get shot down, you knew he would be back even without checking with IMDB that he is in 26 more episodes. Whether he comes back as a re-creation in a Host or not, I don't know and I don't care.
And that's the major fault of this series. You can't care much about any of the characters because no matter how shot up they are, they can always come back.
But the style and story of this series is what it is. They were going for something complex. And you could say they succeeded even though I was bored by most of it. This is a shot-a-thon with pretenses of being science fiction.
I like the Teddy Flood character. Poor Teddy Flood. He's living proof that nice guys (or nice Hosts) finish last, although there are three more seasons to come. But I'll not watch them. Ten episodes is about all that I can give this orgy of violence.
But it was interesting (although not satisfying) to find out who Ed Harris was. But it took a lot of strange, bizarre, and just damn confusing time-jumps and visions by Dolores to get there. And in the end, I don't think it was worth it.
Arnold's (Bernard's) character was a bit more interesting although because he died and was brought back so many times, I think even Dr. Ford lost track of whether Bernard should be alive or not. There did seem to be some continuity or story errors there. But it is in Bernard, not Dolores, that we most get into the interesting sci-fi aspects of being a Host who is gaining consciousness by increments.
The Dolores character started strong. But then it just became a cycle of "Gut Dolores, watch her cry and scream, bring her to the tech room to be repaired, rinse-and-repeat." The series often stalled in this manner, substituting gratuitous violence for story or character development.
And I can't help thinking that Anthony Hopkins is totally wrong for the character of Dr. Ford. He just keeps doing the butler in Remains of the Day. Other than fingering a few electronic tablets, we don't once see his character doing any programming. And yet he's supposed to be the brains of the operation, pulling his strings via programming in the background.
This is the kind of sci-fi you don't really want to look too closely at because it's not ultimately going to make a lot of sense. Neither did the movie, Total Recall. But it's still entertaining, if only because of the characters. And, to some extent, so is the first season of Westworld. Just don't look for any deep and meaningful themes because they are all blown to smithereens in a spray of bullets.
Yes, Thandiwe Newton as Maeve still comes off as the best actress. And she escapes (or seemingly would have) but at the last moment decides to stay behind for her child...which she knows isn't real. But it's all she has that is of any real meaning to her.
The human "Guests" are a bunch of psychopaths so, of course, in response the Hosts turn that way as well. And that's really what ruins Dolores' character. I smell little but revenge-seeking, ass-kicking female in her future.
The semi-interesting bit of pop-psychology in this whole Westworld setup is the idea of finding your "true self." We see that play out mostly through the Man in Black (or sometimes white) character. We are led to believe that the "true self" is revealed if you go to a fantasy land full of guns, hookers, and induced violence and then have a good laugh playing Jessie James.
Well...maybe. They say that character is revealed by difficult circumstances, and that may be so. But the idea of civilization and civilized behavior is because it's not exactly a secret that Nazi Germany can, and will, assemble itself around you in a heartbeat unless you stay on guard, unless you keep the Savage Beast inside you at bay.
But the series (in juvenile fashion) forwards the pop-psychology notion that what is violent, what is terrible, and what is painful are the real real things in life. And given the audience this show is meant for, that's going to resonate because that's about as deep as you get in regards to philosophy these days, even if you go to college.
The original TV series was powerful for its simplicity: It may look harmless to use and abuse the robots of Westworld. But they are not as dumb and dim as you expect. They can hold a grudge. And the moral choices you make in the theme park can come back to bite you.
But this modern Westworld is a shoot-a-thon where a lot of the emotional or intellectual impact is lost in a cloud of gunpowder smoke.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 16, 2022 9:36:56 GMT -8
One other additional thing, and I'm not sure about this. But it would appear that Westworld is an island off the coast of China. I'm not sure about that though.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 17, 2022 8:34:24 GMT -8
I did watch a little of the first episode of season two of Westworld, just to see the aftermath. And what Deloros has turned into reminds me of the "rape fantasy" that some chicks have. Well, the opposite of that is the feminist "let's kill all the men" fantasy.
The character of Superman might scratch some itch that guys have. Superpowers. Secret identities. And the desire to do good and kick the ass of the bad guys.
But the character of Deloros now is surely a feminist fantasy. She's just going to kill all the men (and some women a well). This is ostensibly simply a reaction of the Hosts against the Guests. But I know an ass-kicking female when I see one.
Deloros has gone from an interesting, sensitive character to a psychopath of little or no interest.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 17, 2022 14:55:26 GMT -8
I'm into the second episode of season two of Westworld. I've found a strategy for watching it. I'm just fast-forwarding through the Deloros segments. Her character has become old, moldy, and little more than a cliché. But Bernard's segment is highly interesting. And the Man in Black's segment is picking up. Apparently Westworld is located on an island in the South China Sea: The Spratly Islands. Apparently it is 500 square miles. Westworld is apparently one of 6 themes parks operated by Delos Corporation. At least two of them, if not all of them, are on the same island as Westworld because we run into a part of Samurai World in season one. We've just come across a tiger in episode two of season two, so at least one more (if not all of them) park is located on the same island as Westworld. "Present day" is 2052. Other aspects are spotty. Everyone enters the park in Mesa. "They arrive and exit the park via a train to the Mesa Hub control center." That link also notes that technically we don't know if Westworld is on another planet.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 18, 2022 7:28:53 GMT -8
They are attempting a complex timeline in Westworld. You jump from present day to various times in the past. Season two is starting to pick up on the origins of the park.
Bernard and Elsie stumble upon what looks like the place where Delos Corp. was developing the creation of human replacements with some special enhanced version of Hosts, with the data taken from real people (Guests).
Of course, in this world, they assume that Ford has led them here just like the Man in Black assumes Ford is still pulling his strings. When his daughter finds him, Ford just assume that she is just a Host. (And we don't know about that yet.)
Ford is given god-like status for implementing everything, even from beyond the grave. (Assuming he's dead, or not still alive as a bot Host.) That's the weak part of the series which I'm sure they'll try to write themselves out of. Although chaos seems to have clearly broken out, the Man in Black certainly thinks this is just another advanced level of the script. It's a bit of a muddle as far as the story is concerned.
Still, most of the threads are interesting. But I continue to skip past the Dolores/Teddy Flood segments. Their acting is clearly inferior. Their characters are bland and one-dimension. And the stories are little more complex than Pissed Off Female Seeks PMS Revenge on the World.
Maeve and friends (including the increasingly ridiculous Violent Blond with the Tattoos) stumble upon Shogun World. I had assumed the SW we saw on one of the doors meant "Samurai World," but it's Shogun World. We don't know the name of the world that the Man in Black's daughter was visiting, but it could be Raj World. They hunt tigers there, sip tea in the afternoon, and order the servants around when not visiting the brothels. Sounds like a fun world.
Anyway, Maeve gets in a tangle with the Shogun's men. She discovers she now has Matrix-like powers. She merely needs to think commands and she can manipulate those around her. This could bring a dead-end to the interest in her storyline because where can you go from a sort of omnipotence?
The Bernard/Corporate Clean-up storyline is current the highlight of the show. Basically all Hosts are "kill on sight" and Bernard knows he is one of them and does his best to hide this despite some technical glitches that he is experiencing. Eventually he finds Elsie (who he had involuntarily accosted a while back) chained up. He frees her and they would appear to be the two people in the park who most know what is going on and who have the ability to fix it.
Both Elsie, and especially Bernard, are good characters. The add-on black in the form of the Charlotte Hale (Tessa Thompson) definitely feels like affirmative-action casting. That said, unlike Evan Rachel Wood (Dolores), she can act. She does put a human face on the corporation and it's certainly a bit of a cold-blooded one.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 19, 2022 13:33:26 GMT -8
In episode eight of season two of Westworld we see the first good episode. The other episodes sometimes dabbled in interest, showing hints of quality here and there. But they were mostly conglomerations of too many elements trying to do too many things.
Episode eight focuses almost exclusively on the Lakota savage, Akecheta. And when he takes his warpaint off, we see that he is played by Zahn McClarnon – Mathias in the Longmire series. Both characters are fleshed out by this competent actor.
Akecheta is searching for a way out of his world. He knows it is broken or somehow not the only world. There is a traditional belief of some kind of world underneath. And Akecheta has physically seen that (or at least he saw a vast site under construction). He begins to put two and two together. He notices that some of the people in his tribe have been replace by different people.
This episode isn't good because it has less violence. The violence meter is as high as ever. But it is good, in large part, because it has zero amount of Dolores in it. Dolores has turned into a thin character who attempts to capture the kind of dangerous intensity that Yule Brynner had in the original series. But she attempts it with no more than a stiff walk and an ever-present Resting Bitch Face. This series was taken down by her. And from what I understand, it gets much worse in season three, which I doubt that I'll watch.
The writers of this episode understand the concept of less-is-more. By focusing on one story, you begin to understand and relate to the characters instead of (as in previous episodes) it mostly being a clusterfuck of disjointed action. This eighth episode of season two shows what this series might have been.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 19, 2022 20:06:36 GMT -8
I finished episodes 9 and 10 of season 2 (the last episodes in that season) of Westworld. They were a complete train wreck and showed that they had already milked this subject for whatever sci-fi they could get out of it. It should have been a well-planned 15 episode mini-series with some thought of where it would go.
But this was, generally, a bunch of interesting stuff interspersed with junk. And even the good stuff was watered-down because of the unnecessary time jumps and other stylistic devices.
The core story was very weak and it amounts to: having a reason for gun violence. Other than that, you have to search hard for a thread that holds this series together.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 20, 2022 7:53:11 GMT -8
It should have been a well-planned 15 episode mini-series with some thought of where it would go Exactly, It could perhaps have been pushed to 18 with some backstory on Bernard and Stubbs but that is minor. Like I said, the quality decreases dramatically in season 3 and 4 to the point of being unwatchable. Season 3 is a downer and season 4 continues in the same vein, (spoiler, everyone dies). It seems apparent to me that the writers wrote them selves into an impossible hole and did not that the creativity to dig out. Or, maybe they just did not want to. if you feel you must watch 3 and 4 speed through them. Watch the firs and last 10 minutes and avoid the gobelity gook in the middle.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 20, 2022 8:52:56 GMT -8
I thought Bernard's storyline was the most interesting. But they just kept going forwards, backwards, and sideways. It's as if they were just winging it to fill up an episode.
The "Maeve Pines for Her Daughter" storyline got old and dull very quickly. And it was downright stupid in some respects. When she did have a chance to stop the Lakota savages from taking her daughter, she didn't use her Jedi Mind Tricks. Why? It doesn't really matter. There's no way in hell you can keep things logically consistent with the way they wrote it.
And as rotten as The Man in Black could be, would he really chance shooting his own daughter? They were just throwing as much spaghetti onto to the wall to see if anything would stick. And most of it didn't stick.
And why wouldn't Teddy Flood blow his brains out? I would if I had to spend so much time with the Resting-Bitch-Face Ass-Kicking-Female Dolores. He got out easy. WTG, Teddy.
And the way they wove Ford into and out of this made no sense. Was Bernard just imagining him all this time? We have no way of knowing. And by the time the writers got done Jerry-rigging the plot, you really don't care. But at no time did Ford makes sense in this story after the first season...and even then.
And I thought I was being hard on Tessa Thompson as Charlotte Hale. But one review I read said something like, "I like a lot of these characters. But as soon as I saw Tessa Thompson, I knew this series was done." She really does seem like the one PC affirmative-action-actor add-on. I can dislike Dolores for eventually showing she couldn't carry the role. But she was good as the simple farm girl who was getting used and abused by the Guests.
But Tessa Thompson is just straight amateur-hour all the way. And near the end of season two, they bring Logan back as some kind of Tron-like Master Control Program. Dumb. But by then, I was beyond being shocked by dumb writing.
But then Dolores transitions to Charlotte Hale and if the shark hadn't been jumped at that point, it was then. And then the security guy lets her off the island even though (I think) he knows she's a Host. Why not? WTF. Who cares at this point?
I did like the character of Elsie Hughes, who shouldn't have been murdered. She had an interesting rapport with Bernard. That's the problem with characters such as Charlotte Hale. They unnecessarily bleed time away from better characters and storylines.
But Teddy god out. God bless him. And so did I. I doubt I'll watch any of season three.
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