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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 6:31:59 GMT -8
Now I may know why the Air Force Museum has Bockscar and not Enola Gay. I know I've seen that before But it's been several years since we last visited it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 8:30:35 GMT -8
I'm going to take a guess and say tanks and warship had no "nose art" because the need for camouflage. Airplanes, although they do paint them to make them difficult to see, had less of a need to worry about that.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 8:38:17 GMT -8
I ran across this poster by accident available (and seriously over-priced at such a small size) at Amazon. But I thought it was pretty cool.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 8:45:49 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 9:01:12 GMT -8
I don't ever remember seeing this one:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 9:03:54 GMT -8
The sheer art quality of some of these poster is excellent: This is one of the more famous pieces of art — this one from a The Saturday Evening Post cover:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 9:09:49 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 6, 2019 9:44:35 GMT -8
The photo you provide and all of those books you linked to show exactly what was on most soldiers' minds during the war. This is a fact of war that we don't often hear about. To some degree, the Soviets mitigated this problem by resorting to the old tried and true methods of rape and pillage on their march into the Reich.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 10:07:25 GMT -8
The British also had their Wrens (the WRNS). One plays a major role in the first half of a novel I read decades ago, The Black Ship, about an American PT-boat group in England and their effort to deal with a German Narvik destroyer under SS command.
Of course, the US had its Navy WAVEs as well as its Army WACs. A group of WACs (one in particular) played a significant role in Richard Powell's fine novel The Soldier. There's also the anecdote of a sailor in Hawaii who made a pass at an unwilling WAVE and found out just how bad an idea that was. He was a bit embarrassed about how to report it, and finally settled on the all caps explanation for his injuries, "TOSSED BY A WAVE".
Much of the "Rosie the Riveter" artwork was based on one actual such worker, Rose Will Monroe, born and raised in Pulaski County, Kentucky. The song "Rosie the Riveter" was inspired by Rosalind P. Walter, an heiress who went to work on a Corsair assembly line on the night shift. (I knew about Monroe, but I must credit wikipedia for the bulk of this information.)
One such woman you won't hear much about in most sources was a woman testing artillery shells (I hate to think how that was done) who later became very famous as a great feminist icon except for the minor detail that she disagreed with them on key issues -- the great Phyllis Schlafly.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 6, 2019 10:08:11 GMT -8
Hitler was so adamant about keeping women in their traditional roles that he did not allow females to work in factories until very late in the war. Of course, he made up for this by importing slave labor from conquered countries, but I suspect that dedicated German females would have made a better workforce than foreigners who hope for your demise.
Those posters are really attractive and show America of a different time. Boy have we gone downhill.
I was talking to my wife about this just now. Every other Saturday or so, we go to a German restaurant which also has a small delicatessen attached to it. Both their restaurant and deli serve excellent quality products for reasonable prices.
Of course I enjoy the place for that, but I also like it because it is very old fashioned. Many of the patrons are from the Highland Park and North Dallas area and are not your typical slob so often seen today. These people dress properly and don't go around wearing baseball caps turned backwards. They are also polite and will even speak to each other in passing. This happened to me this morning when an older man and two older women walked by my table. I was leaning back in my chair with both my arms resting on the chairs on either side of me. As one woman walked by, she smiled and said that I looked very content. I responded that yes, "I had a full stomach and there was no rain in sight. It doesn't get better than that." She agreed with me and sat down for lunch. As I left I walked by her table and congratulated her on the fact that she would soon be a content as I. She laughed and agreed.
This may seem a small thing, but it has become increasingly rare for people to engage in polite small talk in passing. Even rarer is seeing people dressed properly and taking pride in how they look. Between the isolated fools who walk around with a Bluetooth ear phone surgically inserted into their heads and the tattooed bums wearing baseball caps and baggy polyester basketball outfits, I sometimes despair. Of course the earphone fools and tattooed bums in polyester are often one and the same.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 11:16:11 GMT -8
I thought about bringing up the German comparison. It's interesting that the Allied nations did their best to make good use of women (Soviet Russia probably was the most active in that regard, a reflection of being the most desperate of the Allies), and the Axis countries didn't. (Korean women were used by the Japanese, quite literally, as "comfort women". I understand Gojira aka Godzilla has never been shown in Korea -- though I suspect a lot of Koreans would enjoy seeing Tokyo devastated time and again in Japanese monster movies.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 11:54:33 GMT -8
Why just sometimes? That well-written description would seem to demand longer-term despair. And you’re right about small talk. And not just amongst the Left. I think the sourness out there has either caused a lot of people to shrink back as well as creating a lot of social cowards. An inward-pulling narcissism is also rampant. Many conservatives are little different from the Left. They just want to snarl because the world hasn’t lived up to their expectations.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 6, 2019 15:49:22 GMT -8
You are absolutely right, but sometimes a fleeting flash of hope breaks through the gloom. Of course, it fades as quickly as it appeared and the black returns.
It appears to me that one most often encounters social niceties most often amongst older people. Perhaps this is because some people mellow as they age, but I suspect the main reason is that older people were brought up better than today's yutes. Polite social intercourse was instilled in those with decent standards. Of course, it helps that older folks are not as addicted to social media and crappy smart phones they way millennials are. Older people realize that there actually is something other than the virtual reality of touch screens.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 19:37:44 GMT -8
Believe me, it’s not your imagination. Yes, there are still some very sociable (in a good way) young people. But none of what’s going on should be news to a conservative, as I’m sure it is not to you. Yes, sometimes seeing the results of our theories playing out can be unexpected when you actually see them playing out. But we know that the result of socialism is always upping the dog-eat-dog nature of society.
We all become piggies sucking at the government teet. Life is now perceived as a zero-sum game (and is in many ways). Despite the competitive nature of capitalism (wherein the pie can be grown and it is most definitely not a zero-sum game), socialism breeds contempt for your fellow citizen. On some level, everyone knows that society is now ordered by the squeaky wheel principle, thus there is no incentive for anyone to perceive that things (and other people) are good. There is payoff in being the victim.
Alienation and socialism always go together. Surely you see that in the exaggerated “Yes, comrade this” and “Yes comrade that” in the old Soviet Union. People who actually are comrades don’t have to speak like that. They just treat each other with naturally-flowing civility and small talk.
Another element is that people do recognize that other people are now tripwires, or potentially so. One word could get you fired. There are cameras everywhere matched with the most insanely sensitive Snowflake kooks. There’s no room for individuality or spontaneity. When the Nazis are running the place, you have to be careful. Measure every word. Best not to talk to anyone at all.
We’ve seen this problem for a long time, if only in the ability for all the supposedly hot-and-bothered conservatives to speak out against this stuff or resist it in any way. The most many can do is get online and bitch. They’ve been broken and cowed and I suppose getting online and bitching disguises this fact to themselves.
I consider at least 50% of the population to be substantially infected by statists/socialist inhumanity. That’s a shame. But I won’t pretend it isn’t so. But every once in a while you can run into non-pod people in a coffee shop. Not likely in Starbucks, of course.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 19:59:44 GMT -8
Many years ago, I read a book chapter on humor in the Third Reich. One involved two men sitting on a park bench. One sighed very audibly. Later he did so again. At this, the other man got up, saying, "If you're going to talk politics, I'm leaving."
William L. Shirer had a few anti-Nazi jokes in his Berlin Diary. For example: Hitler, Goering, and Himmler are killed in a plane crash. Who is saved? A: The German people.
There was also a German cabaret comic who got into trouble when he said that Goering's new son had been named Hamlet. And why was that? He answered by quoting the German translation of probably the single most famous quote from the play. But in German, the word sein not only means "to be", it also means "his". Goering was more willing to take a joke than most Nazi leaders, but there were limits. (The same comic was noted for coming out with his arm in a Hitler salute, and saying, "My new dog can jump this high.")
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 7, 2019 7:29:58 GMT -8
It's a beauty the way this one has been preserved. Does anyone recognize the model? [ Original]
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Post by timothylane on Jul 7, 2019 8:00:59 GMT -8
Well, I think it's a fighter, and it's American and has 2 engines. It isn't a P-38. Right offhand, the only other such fighter I can recall from the World War II era is the P-61 Black Widow, which was a night fighter. But that's just a surmise; I certainly can't say that I recall what a P-61 looks like.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 7, 2019 8:04:15 GMT -8
Well, so much for that guess. I just looked up the P-61 in wikipedia, and it was a twin-boom plane like the P-38. It also says Marine, which would probably make it a Navy plane, but at the point I don't know.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 7, 2019 8:21:35 GMT -8
Okay. It took some time, but thanks to this page, it would appear to be some variant of the Grumman F7F-3 Tigercat. It apparently missed WWII but saw action in Korea.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 7, 2019 8:29:12 GMT -8
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