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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 8:18:04 GMT -8
First we must bring up the theme music for this topic: Now onto the content: Tempe Police Officers Claim They Were Asked to Leave StarbucksI'm okay thinking of this as more than "alleged." This kind of event could be considered the norm in some places. I think the mistake here was when the officers agreed to leave. Giving into the bullies is not what you should do. That only ever makes things worse. Five harmless police offers out for coffee ought to be able to explain the situation. If they can't defend themselves, they have no complaint, in my opinion. If they can't stand up to a nasty customer (even if acting by proxy through the coffee slinger), what are they doing in the business? |
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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 9:38:19 GMT -8
Obviously, cops should go to another place if Starbucks is willing to kick them out because a single person complained. Did it occur to no one at Starbucks that one reason someone might want the police kicked out was that they would get in the way of his plans?
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Post by lynda on Jul 6, 2019 9:47:06 GMT -8
I like Frank's Coffee Song. As it so happens, while it played I was enjoying my morning coffee: an organic Ethiopian bean, freshly ground with some cocoa nibs, served from a french press with a generous amount of hot and frothy almond milk and a splash of pure vanilla in a large heated mug.
I think you know, Brad, that I'm a simple girl. But, to hold that cup of hot coffee while snuggled in a cozy chair - sipping at liesure, either alone with my thoughts or with someone I care about - is a luxury which is attainable. Starbucks has capitalized on this truth; they sell attainable luxury one cup at a time. But coffee shouldn't be rushed, or consumed in the company of Antifa or Democrats. Which is why I don't go to Starbucks. Well, that, and their coffee sucks.
On those rare occasions when I do have to go to Starbuck to meet up with friends (I take my own beverage) I usually end up buying a Starbucks mug. Their mugs are special. My husband and I have an impressive collection of six or seven of their mugs collected over the past couple of decades. He even brought me the Tokyo mug last year when he returned from a work trip. We have, of course, the Seattle mug, and also one from his sister after she visited London. We have a beautiful Washington mug with a ferry and trees and Bigfoot featured in attractive blues and greens. But our favorite seems to be the multicolored mosiac design from 2002. It holds about fourteen ounces of morning bliss, and is the one I was holding this morning while Frank crooned his Coffee Song.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 6, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -8
For the life of me, I could not understand why they left. I do not use profanity often, but it this case my response would be "Tell the snowflake to go fuck him/her/itself." No other explanation necessary.
If the cops won't standup for themselves then they are on the road to uselessness.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 6, 2019 10:21:16 GMT -8
I believe you are overthinking it. To hell with the complainer. Until the law allows people to choose whom they wish to serve or not serve, then peaceful police officers have every right to sip their coffee unmolested by a barista.
Now, if the great leviathan government will allow businesses to choose whom they wish to serve, or not serve as the case may be, then I would have no problem with the barista telling the police that their presence was no longer desired.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 10:39:33 GMT -8
Most people, including policemen, if told to leave by management will do so, though I would ask why they wanted me to leave. One good response would be to ask if they wish the police to assist them if someone chooses to commit a serious crime there. (Minor crimes are probably the norm at Starbucks now that they have become unofficial homeless shelters.) I believe the original notion of "outlaw" was referring to people outside the protection of the law. It's especially effective against people who reject self-defense and rely on the police they obamanate to protect them.
Naturally, MAD Magazine had a good take on that in one of its Dave Berg pieces (I kept reading them as long as he was still there). This was a half-century ago in the hippie era, and it featured a hippie yelling "Fascist pigs!" at a couple of cops standing on the corner as part of their jobs. A hard hat took offense to his actions and proceeded to grab him by the throat from behind. The hippie desperately called out "Help! Police!" as a result, to which one of the cops replied, "Ain't nobody here but us pigs."
Rudyard Kipling dealt with a similar situation in "Tommy Atkins".
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 12:37:38 GMT -8
We can add another reason now: It might not be as safe a place to go to if the criminal element thinks that cops won't hang out there. Certainly after this incident you'd have to be some kind of law enforcement weenie to patronize that place when there are so many other choices.
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Post by artraveler on Jul 6, 2019 14:41:16 GMT -8
For the most part boycotts are generally ineffective and seldom produce the desired result, however, in the case of Starbucks I chose to make exception. I will not spend my money for a bitter coffee that tastes of fusel oil and the hell with the pretense that somehow its good. I had better coffee in Vietnam strained through a sock.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 6, 2019 14:50:52 GMT -8
Of course, that's not actually a boycott. I've never gone to Starbucks either (nor Stubbs or Flasks), but then I've had coffee once in my life. Tea is another matter. Samuel Adams wouldn't like me, but then I don't drink beer either. (He actually was a brewer among his many occupations.)
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 6, 2019 15:39:22 GMT -8
I think not. If Starbucks had not served the police from the start, one might be able to argue your point, although I don't think it would hold water. But if people have paid for their coffee or food and are not doing anything to cause a problem they have a right to stay put. If they were causing a scene, stank, were filthy, unclothed or something like that, then they could reasonably be asked to leave. Their existence does not constitute a grounds for expulsion.
If I were those officers, I would have said "I'm staying until I finish my coffee." After all, what was Starbucks going to do, call the cops?
Still, I wonder if we have heard everything that was involved here? Are police so deferential that they let themselves be so badly handled?
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Post by artraveler on Jul 6, 2019 20:50:24 GMT -8
In the 1790s the largest brewer of quality whisky was G. Washington. They still make whisky to the colonial and Republic standards at Mt. Vernon. I am told it is very smooth but expensive and you have to buy it there. I will stick to Wild Turkey.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 7, 2019 7:24:35 GMT -8
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Post by timothylane on Jul 9, 2019 14:10:11 GMT -8
Starbucks finally apologized for the mistreatment of the Tempe cops, though they haven't said what they will do about it (such as firing the barista who made the decision). At any rate, here is an appropriate cartoon on the subject: Down Starbucks |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 9, 2019 16:45:21 GMT -8
I read the other day about this poor fellow who put caffeine powder in his protein shake. It was the equivalent of fifty cups of coffee. I know people who could easily handle a jolt of fifteen or so bit fifty is unthinkable.
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Post by artraveler on Jul 9, 2019 16:57:17 GMT -8
Ahhh that's only about two Red Bulls
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 9, 2019 17:06:44 GMT -8
Never had Red Bull. But I guess you’re saying it’s powerful. Aside from tho old Diet Mr. Pibb, the most caffeinated drink I’ve had is a double shot espresso. I swore never again, and I haven’t.
That poor sole who hat fifty cups died. Moral lesson: If anyone offers you any kind of powder (unless it’s for the flowers) don’t take it and for gods sake don’t eat it.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 11, 2019 15:07:38 GMT -8
This link is to a very funny article about Starbucks baristas.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 11, 2019 15:43:50 GMT -8
Very amusing, and actually plausible, though I assume he exaggerated the nature of the project. Or did he? I've never set foot inside a Starbucks. I once went to a Heine's coffeehouse in Louisville that was next to a bookstore I was visiting, but that's because they had a special on scones and I wanted to give one a try.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 11, 2019 17:25:27 GMT -8
Hahahaha. Very Coulterian or Mark Steynian.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 11, 2019 17:50:13 GMT -8
Actually, I can think of a good excuse for rejecting certain ethnicities -- the criminal groups associated with them. Especially Sicilians. Of course, that would also justify wanting Central Americans kicked out because they might be MS-13 members, which Starbucks Cop-free would never do. In any case, anyone who really thought someone was a member of such a gang probably would be reluctant to demand that they be kicked out lest they take revenge. It would be almost as dangerous as excluding Muslims.
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