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Post by jb on Jul 18, 2019 21:17:43 GMT -8
Who was Jock Whitney (you didn’t ask, I know)? Jock Whitney owned the New York Herald Tribune with Katherine Graham (Washington Post), who owned 45% with an option for 5% exercisable in the event of his death. He was the U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom under Dwight Eisenhower, his frequent golf partner. His uncle was John D. Rockefeller’s business partner; Jock shared business interests with Nelson Rockefeller. In 1942, Jock married Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s ex-daughter-in-law, Betsey (divorced James in 1940) and adopted her two daughters, Kate Roosevelt Whitney and Sara D. Roosevelt Whitney. Whitney, the majority investor in Selznick International Pictures, put up half the money to option Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind, although Selznick had no interest in a film version. When Whitney threatened to produce it on his own, Selznick relented and Jock put up more money. With a $3.8 million budget, the film generated a $390 million box office and won 10 Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Director Oscars. During World War II, while serving as an intelligence officer, Jock was taken prisoner by the Germans in southern France. Enroute to a POW camp, he jumped from the train that was transporting him to a POW camp and escaped. During the 1930’s, Whitney entered four horses in the Kentucky Derby. One of Jock’s closest friends was Fred Astaire. Depending on which conspiracy theorist one follows, Jock was allegedly involved in the Bay of Pigs, an assassination attempt on Fidel Castro and, through Clay Shaw and Lee Harvey Oswald, even the JFK assassination. All of that supposedly stems from various Freeport investments in Cuba and Indonesia. Conspiracy theories aside, Freeport’s nickel investments in Cuba, including lucrative government contracts, stockpiling provisions and foreign entanglements were constantly under intense Congressional scrutiny by House and Senate investigative committees for influence peddling at home and abroad. It's all out there on the web. And I place the most charitable interpretations on it all. That’s where my interest in Jock Whitney begins – not in those conspiracy tales and Congressional scandals, but – in his role as Chairman of the Board of Freeport. Enticed into a hostile takeover of the then-Texas company, Jock would then bankroll Freeport’s acquisition of sulphur rights on Lake Grande Ecaille in 1932, commencing plant construction in 1933. Jock insisted that one third of his investment be allocated toward creating an idyllic townsite for the mine and shipping facility’s employees. So, while Grande Ecaille was under construction, 10 miles up a canal through the delta marsh, a typical mining company town was built - Port Sulphur, located on the Mississippi River about 60 miles south of New Orleans. From there, sulphur could be shipped all over the world. The townsite was a “garden city plan” with houses, church sites, elementary and high schools, a hospital, community house, barbecue hut, lodge, reservoir, park, wading pool, tennis courts and baseball diamond. That’s where I went to school, participated in Cub Scouts and Little League baseball and a host of other activities that made for quite the Leave It to Beaver existence, a true Pleasantville memory, all brought about when we had to relocate from 50 miles upriver, as Freeport’s nickel plant had been closed after Castro nationalized the mines overseas. Many yesteryear Port Sulphur youth have a fond memory from 5th grade. All in a single day, we’d catch a train to Baton Rouge, visit the state capitol grounds, lunch at Picadilly, then take in a movie. Well, not “a” movie but “the” movie. Yes-sir-ee, Jock! You guessed it: “ Gone With the Wind!” There’s more to be told. It ain’t pretty. I mourn to this day. Article: After Katrina, a ghost town ** Louisiana village took direct hit, leaving it reeling and in ruins.Video: Port Sulphur – post-Katrina video
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 19, 2019 7:04:21 GMT -8
Freeport, now Freeport McMoRan, is famous for its legendary (to those of us in the non-ferrous metals business) Grasberg, Copper/Gold mine in Indonesia. This is the largest gold mine in the world and second largest copper mine. I believe it was the largest copper mine at one time.
The mine was a money machine, but has now been taken over by the Indonesian State. I am curious how long it will be before the place becomes a corrupt mess.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 19, 2019 7:23:56 GMT -8
The name Freeport makes me wonder about something. During World War II, the US needed magnesium and didn't have a good source. So they established a plant in Freeport, Texas, located on one of its long coastal island, to get it from sea water. They could draw the water from the ocean side of the island and then deposit the desalinated water on the inner side. (The island was long but narrow.)
I think the name Freeport may have been given at the time. Was there any connection to the Freeport mining company, or was it just a coincidence? (I tried looking it up in wikipedia once, but didn't get anywhere. They aren't good on economic history.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 19, 2019 7:51:41 GMT -8
That’s quite a video presentation of the damage hurled by Katrina. JB, it would appear from this map that large sections along the river have been completely abandoned. You see roads laid out but there is nothing there. This is like a Mel-Gibsonesque post-apocalyptic wasteland in parts. Am I seeing that correctly? Are those just canals?
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Post by artraveler on Jul 19, 2019 8:10:35 GMT -8
GWTW One of there greatest movies of the 20th century and one of the most misunderstood. Ever since the book became a nationwide bestseller people, mostly yankees, have taken to the idea that the old South was a "civilization gone with the wind". I suppose that's inevitable the English Civil War is romanticized in much the same way. The bigger issues of the war are not addressed in GWTW slavery, states rights, and individual liberty are hardly mentioned in book or movie.
However, the world has taken to the GWTW romantic notion that racism and bigotry were somehow confined to the south. No amount of truth telling will dissuade from that notion. The yankee north was and still is more racist than the south. Southern governments were more honest about discrimination but in the north yesterday and today it is more subtle and insidious. The difference is between De Jur and De Facto. The most racist place in the US in 1960 was not Selma AL, but South Boston. It still is
That is not to say that legal slavery was and is still a human abomination but the subtle forms of it still exist worldwide and in some places, exclusively Moslem controlled, it exists as a legal entity. It amazes southerners that the virtue signaling of yankees never extends to places where actual slavery exists.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 19, 2019 8:44:28 GMT -8
In my high school American history course, we read C. Vann Woodward's The Strange Career of Jim Crow. The obsessiveness of some of the rules was phenomenal; one city (I think Bombingham) actually forbade blacks and whites playing dominoes together. Texas required that schoolbooks for blacks be stored apart from schoolbooks for whites (I later learned about just how different their schooling was, which no doubt explains this). I found myself wondering whether the books Oswald shoved around to create his sniper's nest were for blacks or whites.
At any rate, Woodward pointed out that the Jim Crow laws actually started in the north. Many northerners disliked slavery because they disliked blacks and didn't want them around even as slaves. This was a problem Lincoln encountered in Illinois, especially running for the Senate in 1858. (I don't know if this was much of a problem when he lost in 1854 to free-soil Democrat Lyman Trumbull.) The South adapted these laws into a pervasive and obsessive system.
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Post by jb on Jul 19, 2019 10:32:33 GMT -8
The name Freeport makes me wonder about something. During World War II, the US needed magnesium and didn't have a good source. So they established a plant in Freeport, Texas, located on one of its long coastal island, to get it from sea water. They could draw the water from the ocean side of the island and then deposit the desalinated water on the inner side. (The island was long but narrow.)
I think the name Freeport may have been given at the time. Was there any connection to the Freeport mining company, or was it just a coincidence? (I tried looking it up in wikipedia once, but didn't get anywhere. They aren't good on economic history.)
That was Dow's plant, at nearby Lake Jackson, which has a similar "townsite story," this one known as "Camp Chemical" or "Dow Town." Click here for a video of its origins."Lake Jackson, was a little like Los Alamos, New Mexico—another community that had been created by the war." Click here for an article. Typical company town story.It was so critical to the war effort, it was moderately "defended" by guns & soldiers. Click here for the story of the wartime defense of the magnesium plant.A smokestack at one of Freeport Sulphur's nearby plants was dynamited during the war (by the Allies!) so as not to lead German u-boats up the mouth of the Brazos River to the new Dow installation. Dow was already in Freeport, but the government built the magnesium plant and leased it to Dow, which purchased it outright post-war.
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Post by jb on Jul 19, 2019 10:44:41 GMT -8
That’s quite a video presentation of the damage hurled by Katrina. JB, it would appear from this map that large sections along the river have been completely abandoned. You see roads laid out but there is nothing there. This is like a Mel-Gibsonesque post-apocalyptic wasteland in parts. Am I seeing that correctly? Are those just canals? It is certainly apocalyptic in feel to any who grew up there. There's no sense of permanency, anymore. Streets, once lined by dozens of houses, now have a half dozen structures - mobile homes and double-wides. In the nearby marshes, amidst winding bayous and ever expanding salt marsh lakes (immense land loss from coastal erosion), the straight lines are canals dug mostly by oil companies in the early-mid 20th century but now used moreso by fishermen.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 19, 2019 11:45:37 GMT -8
I checked out Lake Jackson on wikipedia, and it didn't specify any details about the Dow plant, any more than the article on Freeport did. It did confirm, as I thought, that the Pauls (Ron and Rand) are from there.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 19, 2019 13:40:14 GMT -8
Thanks for the info. The devastation is no less shocking. But the topography you have there in LA is so different from what I’m familiar with.
There was a good land on the bayou Quite further down south than Ohio. In blew a great wind Again and again About half disappeared in the sky-oh!
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Post by timothylane on Jul 19, 2019 13:45:17 GMT -8
Actually, a lot of the land has been lost to the sea. It's a consequence of all the levees. They block flooding -- including the natural flooding of the silt-laden river. The sea wears the land away, but now the river isn't building it back up. The buildings on the river are another matter.
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Post by jb on Jul 19, 2019 15:08:31 GMT -8
I checked out Lake Jackson on wikipedia, and it didn't specify any details about the Dow plant, any more than the article on Freeport did. It did confirm, as I thought, that the Pauls (Ron and Rand) are from there. I did not know where the Pauls were from. Cool fact. So, you're wondering about any Dow-Freeport Sulphur linkage, specifically? Freeport's location was driven by the sulphur deposits associated with the cap rock of salt domes. Salt dome geologic development traps oil & gas, so, often oil & gas drilling was primary, the drilling of sulphur deemphasized (until patents expired on certain drilling methods!). For example, although Freeport's first mine was eventually depleted in Brazoria County, nearby, they leased a second mound from Texaco, which was drilling for oil. See: www.sandatlas.org/sulfur-gypsum-and-hydrocarbons/Dow's location was driven by certain needs, consistent with its mission as a chemical plant (a port, a supply of natural gas, a mineral rich ocean). The company tells that part of its story here: corporate.dow.com/en-us/about/locations/texas/freeport/historyThere was no byproduct-type link to or corporate entanglements per se with Freeport Sulphur in either Dow's original decision to locate in Freeport or its later ramped-up contribution to the war effort vis a vis magnesium. Is that your primary curiosity? As for the specifics of the magnesium processing, I think that was done nowhere else in the US and, other than in England, perhaps in the world, at the time.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 19, 2019 15:15:59 GMT -8
You're probably right about magnesium from sea water. Germany didn't need to do it because many of their potassium salts also included magnesium. I think there was also a similar program for bromine (important for ethyl fluid needed for aviation gas), perhaps from the Great Salt Lake.
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Post by jb on Jul 19, 2019 15:33:27 GMT -8
You're probably right about magnesium from sea water. Germany didn't need to do it because many of their potassium salts also included magnesium. I think there was also a similar program for bromine (important for ethyl fluid needed for aviation gas), perhaps from the Great Salt Lake. This pdf goes into great detail about the magnesium processing from sea water, both in Freeport and in Great Britain: www.imps.ac.ir/uploads/LawBooksJI/An-Encyclopaedia-of-the-History-of-Technology.pdfInterestingly, in researching this stuff, I came across how an increasing reliance on desalinated water, worldover, has introduced major health concerns: magnesium deficiencies.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 19, 2019 17:12:56 GMT -8
This had the whole book, so God knows when I will find the time to look that up. I did download it, so I can do so at my leisure.
One way of dealing with the problem of magnesium deficiency would be to use sea salt, which contains magnesium, potassium, etc. as well as sodium chloride.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 19, 2019 18:40:56 GMT -8
That’s too bad. There are some lowland areas in Western Washington the can get badly flooded. But nothing like I’ve seen on the news or in your photo collections.
I’m glad you could take the time to bring a little eclectic heart, soul, and Sulphuric content to this-here little forum which (as yet) shows no signs of being flooded. But from time to time there are some who wash up upon her shores. This analogy could be extended, but at your own risk.
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Post by jb on Jul 20, 2019 13:28:07 GMT -8
Actually, a lot of the land has been lost to the sea. It's a consequence of all the levees. They block flooding -- including the natural flooding of the silt-laden river. The sea wears the land away, but now the river isn't building it back up. The buildings on the river are another matter. Well put, which is why one of the most promising ameliorative approaches is to use river diversions to mimic those natural accretion processes & restore some measure of nature's balance. It's all intriguing to me. mississippiriverdelta.org/restoration-solutions/sediment-diversions/www2.southeastern.edu/orgs/oilspill/wetlands.html
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Post by jb on Jul 20, 2019 13:39:13 GMT -8
That’s too bad. There are some lowland areas in Western Washington the can get badly flooded. But nothing like I’ve seen on the news or in your photo collections. I’m glad you could take the time to bring a little eclectic heart, soul, and Sulphuric content to this-here little forum which (as yet) shows no signs of being flooded. But from time to time there are some who wash up upon her shores. This analogy could be extended, but at your own risk. I swam in. Saw a campfire burning onshore. Those around it were serving up tasty, nourishing morsels. BTW, I purposefully left out Jock Whitney's other "close friends," like Joan Crawford, Tallulah Bankhead and others. I prefer the journalistic protocols of yesteryear, when no one really spoke about and few even cared with whom Thomas Jefferson, FDR, Ike, JFK and others (Popes?) were romantically involved. That's my kicking of the can down Brad's virtual beach for today.
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Post by jb on Jul 20, 2019 13:40:45 GMT -8
This had the whole book, so God knows when I will find the time to look that up. I did download it, so I can do so at my leisure.
One way of dealing with the problem of magnesium deficiency would be to use sea salt, which contains magnesium, potassium, etc. as well as sodium chloride. pdf search & find
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Post by timothylane on Jul 20, 2019 14:18:47 GMT -8
Well, anyone who was a close friend of Tallulah Bankhead was well connected politically, which no doubt helped Whitney's career. Her father was Speaker of the House and an uncle was a Senator -- both of them at the same time. She had a good bit of influence.
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