Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers'

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Jul 22, 2019 7:44:18 GMT -8

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Post by davegs on Jul 22, 2019 7:44:18 GMT -8

Having attempted to find just how much FaceBook contributed to PolitiFact over the 5% mentioned in a recent article, I could not find any result. I was interested because it might explain whether FB had undue influence in their advertised findings. Granted that Google, Yahoo and other search engines selectively edit their searches based on specially honed algorithms, I imagine this data might be available in other places - but have yet to find it.

This sparked a thought. In WikiPedia, several 'conspiracy' theories had been 'debunked' by PolitiFact as false. Well.... really?

I get that many 'conspiracy' theories are, indeed... just 'theories'. That's the nature of the beast, as it were. Some are absolutely crazy - such as some of the 'aliens among us' controlling the world governments - kind of thing. However, to lump that in along with whether the Obama administration sent organized protesters to the Zimmerman trial is another thing altogether. Enough evidence existed for Judicial Watch to file a FOIA request to find out more.

Nothing more is said about this other than that PolitiFact had reviewed the matter and found it 'false'. Really? How, exactly did they arrive at this conclusion? What I found about their technique is anything but clarifying. It seems that they basically, 'search the internet' and news archives.

If you look at the founders and staff, they are all card-carrying members of what we call the 'Main Stream Media'. It's this same MSM that we have come to doubt whether they are possible of truly fact based news delivery anymore. So what if they search the internet and news archives of other people that belong to the same MSM cartel - and think that's somehow clarifying? I don't think so.

Who gives PolitiFact the 'higher moral ground' here to make the right call whether anything is true or not true? Only they do and the people who agree with them - the MSM.

So, this sparked another idea - who fact checks the fact checkers? That's a good question. The Federalist had a go at this in - thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/ and I think they made a good case. Their findings indicate their decisions favor more liberal than conservative issues hands down. In others words - they find that conservatives lie more than liberals do.

I would think that if they were truly representative - we'd find the results much more evenly split.

Just sayin'

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timothylane Member Posts: 3,482	Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Jul 22, 2019 9:28:48 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by timothylane on Jul 22, 2019 9:28:48 GMT -8 Perhaps someone should set up a site to do exactly that, fact check the self-alleged fact-checkers in the synoptic media. The obvious name for it would be Juvenal, who first noticed a similar problem.

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Jul 23, 2019 7:53:00 GMT -8

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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 23, 2019 7:53:00 GMT -8

That people lie to us for ideological reasons is not news. Here’s what I suggest:

1) Pick a subject (particularly one that is so mired in disinformation…perhaps from both sides)
2) Research it and try to find the truth as best you can
3) Share the results so that we may be better informed and better armed.

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Aug 9, 2019 10:36:44 GMT -8 Brad Nelson likes this

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Post by davegs on Aug 9, 2019 10:36:44 GMT -8

Brad: your suggestion is always a good idea.
My further investigation found that most of the self-titled fact-checking organizations are all linked by either a:) common parent companies or b:) common ideology. So much for fact checking impartiality.
As I contemplate this, I can't help but riff on one of the Gipper's admonitions... "The most terrifying words in the English language are; I'm a 'fact-checker' and I'm here to tell you the truth"...

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Aug 16, 2019 13:14:17 GMT -8

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Post by timothylane on Aug 16, 2019 13:14:17 GMT -8

The recent lies by Camelface Harris and Blonde Squaw With Empty Head that Michael Brown was murdered in Ferguson eventually attracted some attention from "fact-checkers". Glenn Kessler at the Washington Post gave it his highest lie rating of Four Pinnochios. On the other hand, PolitiPravda double-talked its way into absolving them. By doing so, they exposed their total lack of credibility.

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Aug 30, 2019 9:19:19 GMT -8

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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 30, 2019 9:19:19 GMT -8

The link is to an article about a recent study which shows there has been no warming trend in the USA since 2005.

Global Warming?

Given the media's constant pounding that the end is near due to Climate Change, it is no wonder people are confused on this subject.

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Aug 30, 2019 9:59:42 GMT -8

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Post by timothylane on Aug 30, 2019 9:59:42 GMT -8

Of course, global warming covers the whole globe, though the US has the best data and many areas (such as most of the oceans as well as Antarctica) are virtually uncovered. This phenomenon is nothing new, as usual. Robert Balling in The Heated Debate noted that people in one city that had exhibited no actual warming over several decades nevertheless were sure it had gotten warmer. That's what the newsliars kept saying, and 30 years ago they believed it. Many still do.

kungfuzu Member Posts: 10,482	Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Jul 16, 2023 9:32:06 GMT -8 Brad Nelson likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kungfuzu on Jul 16, 2023 9:32:06 GMT -8 A good piece by Jeffry Tucker of the Brownstone Institute. He has figured things out. Don't even respond or engage with the lying scumbags who pose as fact checkers. Fact Checkers = Liars

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Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Jul 27, 2023 8:55:42 GMT -8 kungfuzu likes this

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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 27, 2023 8:55:42 GMT -8

In other words, they were not some independent, science-based entities at all but rather hit squads with a hard political agenda. What was actually happening here was a form of censorship laundering. Government wants to censor but cannot so it turns to the social-media company to do the dirty work.

This is a big thing and any presidential candidate who wants my vote needs to talk rationally about this.

Sometime within the last several months, the whole racket seems to have unraveled. I rarely see the fact-checks cited at all. Or maybe they are cited ironically: what is declared false came to be seen as a badge of honor, a confirmation of core truth. That might seem crazy but these are the times in which we live. Nothing is as it seems.

This is a writer firmly planted in reality.

What Aaron Hertzberg found is that the CDC was changing the code to inflate the numbers. By how much it is hard to say but based on the data so far, this is a very serious problem with awesome implications for how we understand what happened to us.

Yep.

The immediate question concerns the decision-making at the CDC. We know that Deborah Birx, coronavirus task force coordinator, said from the podium that they would mark every death with COVID as being from COVID. That was in the spring of 2020 and had already set off alarm bells. Changing the cause of death to COVID from something else is next-level crazy.

Dare I say one might even call it hysterical.

Indeed, many people were outraged that we could or would ever suggest that the CDC was anything other than truth-telling.

I know the type. Whatever the ideal libertarian is, these are the anti-libertarians….the idiots who not only trust government but are truly offended to hear otherwise.

At this point, it was easy to brush off all this drama as completely manufactured and fake. That’s exactly what I did.

It's really interesting getting the inside story of the Scientologist-like blitz people receive. Clearly this is a form or religious zealotry.

They start with the presumption that they know the truth and you do not, and then schoolmarm you to the point that you admit them to be correct.

That is almost an unconscious admission that this is mostly a woman-driven thing.

The stakes are very high: American liberty suffered a grave blow during the COVID response. If the reason wasn’t the virus, what was it then?

No comment.

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kungfuzu Member Posts: 10,482	Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Jul 27, 2023 11:00:10 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kungfuzu on Jul 27, 2023 11:00:10 GMT -8 Here is a brief video which sheds some light on doctors' incentives to "vaccinate" children. As is too often the case in the USA, money is used as an incentive to do damage. First the jab, then the lollipop
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kungfuzu Member Posts: 10,482	Fact Checking the 'Fact Checkers' Oct 17, 2023 8:53:40 GMT -8 Brad Nelson likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kungfuzu on Oct 17, 2023 8:53:40 GMT -8 This piece shows how the left uses statistics to lie. Murder rates higher in blue counties The article could use a little editing.

kungfuzu: Thanks to all for your birthday wishes. Yes, I did have a very happy meal. Not only did I have that wonderful steak and Brunello, but my wife also served up a lobster bisque. I generally eat well, but it is very rare for me to have such a fabulous repast. Jul 26, 2019 9:41:08 GMT -8

kungfuzu: My birth date, July 25th, is of course a very important day in history. For example, one of the world-changing things to have taken place on this date was.........(crickets chirping) oh yeah, Bleriot was the first to fly across the English Channel Jul 26, 2019 9:43:58 GMT -8

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