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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 21, 2019 8:08:44 GMT -8
If you are interested in spy movies, I suggest you have a look at: Reilly: Ace of SpiesI saw this in the mid-1980s while living in Hong Kong. I don't remember much detail of the series, but I do recall that it had an overall dark mood. Dealing with the Bolsheviks tends to bring about such feelings. Still, I liked the music and Sam Neill. It was the first time I had seen him.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 21, 2019 8:54:51 GMT -8
I never saw the Reilly movie, but my anglophile friend Joseph Major did, and is a big Reilly fan. From what I do know of his career, I can see what you mean by a dark story. Being paranoid has his uses: as someone once observed (I think it may have been Michael Kurland in A Plague of Spies). all else being equal the best guard is someone who expects to be attacked.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 21, 2019 9:34:10 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen “Reilly: Ace of Spies.” And as a big Sam Neill fan, I've got to check that one out for sure. I found it on Acorn TV. They have a free one-week trial. The service itself is a reasonable $5.99/month ($59.99/year). There is a lot of overlap with BritBox but I’ve signed up and I’m going to give it at least a month or two. Thanks for the recommendation, Mr. Kung. This may actually save some money because I don’t use Apple News+ enough to justify the $9.99/mo. I may cancel that. So I'm not going to chide you for costing me more money.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 21, 2019 19:33:37 GMT -8
In the old Mossad HQ on King Saul Boulevard in TA there is a memorial to Eli Cohen. I assume it was moved when the new HQ was built. Mossad and Shin Bet have been trying, without success, to have his bones returned to Israel. The late head of Mossad, Meir Dagan, came close to making a deal but it fell through because of pressure on Syria from Iran. The Iranians really hated Meir and would do anything to make problems. I don't see a deal happening anytime soon.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 21, 2019 19:47:22 GMT -8
I've heard a little about Cohen. Didn't he almost get into the Syrian cabinet? The only thing comparable would have been Henry Wallace (if he had become president) naming Alger Hiss Secretary of State and Harry Dexter White Secretary of the Treasury.
Of course, for many years the highest US general, the undeserving James Wilkinson, was a Spanish agent. (My high school US history instructor was named James Wilkinson. We had some fun with that in class when we got to that period.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 21, 2019 20:38:15 GMT -8
Mr. Kung, I found the first episodesof “Reilly: Ace of Spies” to be interesting. It started well, dragged for a bit, and then ended well. Some of the dragging (I hope) is the establishment of the characters and setting.
You can already tell that Reilly is a sociopath of some type. A scoundrel at the very least. A talented opportunist at the best. He marries a rich woman (or one who soon will be rich). The odds are 50-50 that she suffers an untimely death and Reilly ends up with all the money.
For now, he’s got a new assignment in the far east. He’s taking his bride there and thus will begin episode two once I get the chance to watch it.
As for Acorn TV, so far it works and looks about like the rest. I’d say it has some advantages interface-wise over the truly clumsy BritBox.
I noticed they have a couple seasons (or at least one) of George Gently that I’ve never seen, so I’ll do some catching up on that.
Mr. Kung had mentioned to me that “Reilly: Ace of Spies” is a dark series. Yes, I can see that. I don’t have enough data points to say much more about Reilly. I like Sam Neill but he’s certainly nothing spectacular in this so far, and he’s certainly not much for looking Jewish.
But he’s just changed his name to “Reilly” and that’s going to suit him far better.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 21, 2019 20:44:07 GMT -8
I’ll give spoilers away, but I urge anyone who likes spy flicks to watch this fresh.
Elie was just about to be made secretary of defense of Syria. But he blew his cover when he sent out an emergency message about an imminent attack on the Kibbutzim. The money that Cohen had funneled to the Ba’ath Party had also gone to some terrorist groups. And they were the ones who were going to do the murdering of the innocent Jewish civilians.
You watch a show like this and you know it takes brass balls to do this kind of undercover work. And Elie is very good at it. Unfortunately, me screaming at the TV “Don’t use the transmitter so much” had no effect. I’ve seen enough old German war films to know that they can triangulate you fairly easily with the right equipment. And with Soviet help, the Syrians now had the right equipment.
This was a pretty reckless and amateurish aspect of his undercover work. You knew going it that it was likely a suicide mission, but were never sure. This man gave his life arguable to save not dozens but perhaps tens of thousands. His intelligence may have tipped the balance in the Six-Day War.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 21, 2019 21:11:57 GMT -8
Yes, transmitting messages has to be done very carefully. I think Operation Nordpol got started through intercepting Dutch messages and locating the transmitter. It was probably Germany's greatest intelligence victory of World War II. (They did have a few others, such as Cicero and the shutdown of most of the Red Orchestra. They did better in counter-intelligence than in intelligence.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 22, 2019 7:45:40 GMT -8
In “ The Billion Dollar Spy,” they go through some of the procedures when dealing with a new “agent,” as they call informants. They basically school them in procedures — some they necessarily make up as they go along according to their own creativity and sense of what will work. One of the earliest things they had Tolkachev (who gave us valuable info on Russian radar) do was send something through the mail to a dummy CIA address in the West. On the front of the letter was a pre-written “Dear Grandpa” sort of letter. On the back they had him use a special carbon paper that produced invisible writing. I’m not absolutely sure why they did this. But I think they were just trying to gauge the iinformant’s trustworthiness and competence, as well as getting his feet wet. In the case of Tolkachev, apparently he was extraordinarily calm, competent, suitably cautious, and willing. The CIA could tell that the KGB had opened the letter but did not detect the invisible writing. Tolkachev asked for a camera. He had already provided them with a 61-page notebook of stuff he had written down. But that was time-consuming. His handler (Guilsher) gave him a Molly miniature camera. Soon Tolkachev gave Guilsher five cassettes of exposed eighty-frame film, fifty-six pages of handwritten materials, and four sketches at one of their pre-arranged meeting places. The camera may have looked something like this. This first major drop was a treasure-trove, including info on the Sukhoi Su-27 advanced fighter. One of the first things the CIA apparently wants to find out about an informant is the basic lay of the land such as why they are doing it, how much money they want, do they eventually want out of the country, etc. Tolkachev asked for money but his handler thought it wasn’t the money he wanted, per se, but just the respect for doing what he was doing. They initially paid him 1000 Rubles a month with a 10,000 bonus for work already done. Tolkachev had told Guilsher that he basically didn’t like the Communists (although he eventually did begin to ask for more money). Tolkachev (who had approached the CIA) revealed to his handler that he had a long-range plan for working with the CIA for at least twelve years. “Tolkachev said his goal was to damage the Soviet Union to the maximum extent possible.”
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Post by timothylane on Aug 22, 2019 8:13:52 GMT -8
Of course, with mail sent to dummy addresses the danger is that eventually the other side finds out about them, and then they know that anything mailed to that address probably has information hidden in it -- and that whoever sent it is a spy.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 22, 2019 8:31:04 GMT -8
One of the first things the CIA apparently wants to find out about an informant is the basic lay of the land such as why they are doing it, how much money they want, do they eventually want out of the country, etc
Money is almost always the prime mover for double agents defecting to the US. Ideology is a far second and generally distrusted in the intelligence community when coat dragging for possible defectors. On the other hand, our enemies almost always search for ideology as a top motivator. Kim Philby and the Cambridge five were motivated by their affinity for communism. However, American defectors are mostly motivated by money.
It seems even in treason Americans and wannabe Americans are and remain capitalists.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 22, 2019 9:11:11 GMT -8
Tolkachev is an interesting mix. He’s highly ideological but he also now wants millions of dollars. The CIA is (at this point in the book) trying to mollify him with a payment of 300,000 rubles with similar coming depending upon the quality of the info — which in this book has been estimated at hundreds of millions of dollars. But long experience has shown that there is trouble giving informants lots of money, although Tolkachev, because of his calmness and maturity, is seeming like a special case.
They are also upgrading his camera. Tolachev is also insistent about having a suicide pill. The CIA are very reluctant to give him one.
There’s a long passage at the opening of chapter six that I want to type in. Unfortunately, with books loaned from the online library, there’s no way to forward highlighted text to yourself. But it’s an excellent section that really gives you the lay of the land in that time in the Soviet Union.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 22, 2019 11:23:42 GMT -8
Here’s that excerpt from “The Billion Dollar Spy” that I mentioned. This should be required reading before being able to vote…along with a test to make sure it was comprehended. By the way, he sounds exactly like me or Mr. Kung talking about today’s Kultursmog: In his long April letter to the CIA, Tolachev wrote disdainfully of Soviet ideology and public life. He said that politics, literature, and philosophy had been “enmeshed for a long time in such an impassable, hypocritical demagoguery” and “ideological empty talk” that he tried to ignore them.
Tolkachev said he hadn’t been to a theater in a long time. Although he enjoyed classics, contemporary Soviet plays were “full of ideological gibberish” It was a common attitude.
On the street, the party’s grand declarations were etched into the concrete facades of Metro stations and factory gates, giant banners of self-congratulations. But to most Soviet citizens of the late 1970s, the promises of a bright communist future were long forgotten. These were the years of stagnation.
The Soviet Union devoted such enormous resources to the arms race that its economy sputtered out only the most shoddy goods for consumers. Shortages were frequent and annoying. People waited in lines for hours to get shoes or a winter coat.
Tolkachev’s high-rise apartment building at 1 Ploshchad Vosstaniya, one of Moscow’s seven distinctive, spired towers, had been constructed in 1955 with four high-ceilinged food shops at the street level, one on each corner for meat, fish, dairy, and bread. Modeled on an elegant turn-of-the-century Russian gastronome in Moscow, the four shops were resplendent with red-and-white inlaid marble, floor-to-ceiling windows, luminescent chandeliers, and mighty central columns. The food had never been bountiful, but in the years after the shops were built it was possible to just walk in and find smoked fish and sausage. By 1979, the stores were in decay, the shelves nearly empty.
Theoretically, the Soviet state provided for almost everything—medical care, schooling, transportation, work. But the system was rotting from within. The shortages forced many people to deal in a vast shadow economy, struggling to survive through friends and connections, always on the lookout for a tin of meat, some good tea, or a delivery of shoes. One of the ironies of giving Tolachev, or any informer, substantial money is that there was very few places to spend it.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 22, 2019 11:47:17 GMT -8
This was the first thought which came to mind when I read that the CIA gave him 300,000 Rubles. I visited Moscow around Easter of 1974 and a little after Gorbachev came into power, so that would date my second visit at around 1985. There was not a lot to buy either time, but by the mid-1980's it was a pathetic joke.
The thing about communism is that it does not change much. It is based on ignorance and misrepresentation of human nature and history. Being based on lies, it must encourage, and even demand the lies keep coming in order to exist. The culture which results from such a belief system has a way of turning people into, liars, dupes, cynics and mental cases.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 22, 2019 12:12:52 GMT -8
There's the old saying, "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." Of course, sometimes the queues were for something desirable as well as scarce. Churchill decided the Russian people were indomitable after he encountered a Muscovite queue for ice cream -- in the winter. (Come to think of it, it's interesting that Orwell didn't portray queues much in 1984, except I suppose in the Minitrue lunchroom, which doesn't really count.)
A more general, and apt, saying would be that healthcare and many other things were free -- and worth the price. Maybe. When they could get them at all.
It wasn't so bad for tourists and party honchos. They could shop in special stores which had good things (imported from the West, presumably) available for hard currency. Incidentally, Al Capp once had Abner and Daisy Mae Yokum visit Moscow, with interesting results. He was a traditional liberal who saw what was happening in the 1960s and rejected the New Left.
For that matter, I vaguely reading about someone who attended the Bolshoi Ballet and found out that they didn't have any printed programs. Limited resources, you understand. He was flabbergasted that they could have a state-of-the-art theater and yet not have programs available.
So much of this sounds a lot like Orwell's portrayal of life in the London of Airstrip One. Even the constant propaganda. There's a mordant joke about that, too, which I read in Eugene Lyons's Workers Paradise Lost. After a comrade spieled the workers at a plant about how wonderful things were, one of them asked, "But, comrade, if everything is so good, then why is everything so bad?" As long as people have at least some grasp on reality, that can happen.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 22, 2019 13:57:56 GMT -8
How interesting. You’ve been around, Mr. Kung.
Tolkachev seems clearly alienated inside his own culture. The culture at large is something that the government has tried to foist onto the people. And he’s not buying it. We in our century get that 100% through the public school system, for example. But that is by means not the only place.
One way to look at it is that he’s the real deal. He’s not alienated because someone “triggered” him a few many times by saving “Levi's blue jeans.” He’s not a snowflake. He’s not a fake reformer. He’s not a limousine Leninist.
Unlike the evil AOCs and so many other Democrats and their followers (who are trying to foist the save Soviet system on us, with no small help from the compliant Republicans), Tolkachev’s grievances are real.
Maybe the answer to this is cheap, abundant Levi’s jeans. We can say this in contrast to a society whose main organizing factor is “ideology.” Making a buck, within reasonably fair rules of the game, is far more productive and healthy than forming a society around a strict ideology, whether a Puritan one or a Communist one.
We’re drowning in ideology at the moment.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 22, 2019 15:37:34 GMT -8
We’re drowning in ideology at the moment.
Yes and no, many on the left here and in Europe seem to be driven by ideology as were hippies in the 60s. But when you take a hard look at how they use their copious time it is driven by financial rewards for themselves. The hippie generation are now retiring from Fortune 500 companies and passing the golden cup to their children and grandchildren. Who are proving to be just as rapious capitalists as their parents.
What has changed is the amount of money to be made just running for national public office. Four years ago we had 15 people competing for the GOP nod and this year 24/25 democrats. Like The Mouse That Roared, or The Producers they have discovered that the road to personal financial success is in not winning . The deck is loaded for the failed candidate who gets to keep donations. How many of the failed candidates on both sides walked away much richer than when they entered the race? I don't know and the records are thin on information but my perception is all of them.
To a lessor extent the same is true for state offices and even some local elections.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 22, 2019 15:39:36 GMT -8
I decided to dig around my thousands of photos and see if I could find some of my 1974 trip to Moscow. Literally, the last place I was going to look for them is where they were. I am attaching several photos which I took during that trip. Sorry for the poor quality, but they are 45 years old and the Moscow skies were always grey. Luckily, I wrote notes on the the back of most of these photos so I can now say what they are.
The top left-hand photo is the clock tower of the Kremlin. The top right-hand photo is of the Kremlin wall as viewed from around St. Basil's. The bottom left-hand photo is of Lenin's Tomb. The bottom right-hand photo is of the Museum on Red Square.
The photo in the top left-hand is, I believe, of St. Basil's Cathedral on Red Square. That on the top right-hand is of St. Basil's. The photo on the bottom left is of a church in the Kremlin. I believe that on the right is also of a church in the Kremlin.
The photo in the top-left is of the largest bell ever cast. I believe it cracked the first time it was rung. The photo in the top right is what was, at one time, the largest canon ever cast. The photo on bottom-left is of Red Square opposite from the Kremlin looking at the GUM department store. It was taken from around St. Basil's. The photo on the bottom-right hand is one of the Soviet's rockets of which they were so proud.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 22, 2019 16:05:10 GMT -8
Levi Man in Moscow
It is a cliche', but Levi's were highly desired in the Soviet Union. I experienced this personally during my 1974 trip. I was walking down the sidewalk and a guy came up, somewhat furtively, beside me. I turned to look at him and he immediately asked if was interested in selling my blues jeans. I said no. Then he said that he would give me a 100 rubles or dollars for them. (I can't recall which, but I believe it as dollars. In any case, the official exchange rate in those days was 1:1, but the real exchange rate was much worse for the ruble.) He persisted and I said something like, "Look, I can't take off my jeans in the middle of the sidewalk and give them to you." He replied that there was no problem, we could go to my hotel and I could change and then give them to him. I then told him that they were the only jeans I had brought so he was out of luck. He reluctantly left. I was never sure if he really wanted the jeans or was some type of KGB type trying to trap a poor naive' foreigner. I suspect he really wanted the jeans.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 22, 2019 16:05:55 GMT -8
Nice photos, though obviously colorless. Those domed towers at St. Basil's seem to be the stereotypical symbol of Moscow from what I can vaguely recall (e.g., from MAD Magazine). Of course, bells cracking reminds me of the Liberty Bell. The short history of it at the exhibit in Philadelphia goes into the bell's use, construction, and repairs. It was used for decades, but cracked (and had to be at least partially recast) more than once. The crack in that Russian bell is a lot larger -- a large chip, not just a thin crack.
Was the Kremlin used as a tourist attraction? Obviously, you were allowed to photograph the outside, but if you have photos of two different churches, you were presumably allowed to tour inside the wall. Were the churches in use at the time? (In use as churches, and not for some probably more sinister purpose.)
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