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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 28, 2019 8:48:30 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 28, 2019 11:42:42 GMT -8
Years ago, I belonged to a group that exchanged emails on politics, history and other subjects. One time some comments about Indians came up, I think about how they were just about wiped out by the settlers.
I corrected the bit about being wiped out. There are, after all, millions of Indians still with us.
I then pointed out that what happened to the Indians is exactly what one would expect when a violent stone-age culture, which makes a fetish out of torture and slaughter, runs up against a modern-day culture and is foolish enough to practice its barbaric customs on the high-tech culture. Of course the high-tech culture is going to make short work of the savages.
It is sad, but to be expected that many less savage Indians suffered because of the viciousness of tribes such as the Iroquois. A fine discernment is not one of the characteristics of people who are outraged at the barbaric treatment of their friends and families.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Post by timothylane on Nov 28, 2019 12:56:40 GMT -8
I assume that's a description of an Iroquois atrocity. They actually usually supported the British against the French, but in between wars they no doubt went their own bloody way. Two of the Six Nations (the Oneidas and the Tuscaroras, who migrated north from North Carolina) sided with the colonials during the war. Sadly, they were little better treated afterward than the more hostile tribes (the Senecas, Cayugas, and Mohawks, and to a lesser extent the Onondagas). The Senecas and Cayugas were the primary target of the punitive Sullivan Expedition to avenge Iroquois attacks in the Wyoming and Cherry valleys of Pennsylvania (and Connecticut, which also claimed them, leading to the Pennamite War after independence was won).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 28, 2019 17:23:47 GMT -8
It is too bad that "A good Indian is a dead Indian" more or less triumphed over understanding that not all tribes were alike. Either way, Mr. Kung's summation — although not trying to be a moral justification, necessarily — was a force that was predominant:
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Post by timothylane on Nov 28, 2019 17:44:11 GMT -8
Incidentally, this notorious aphorism is credited to Philip Henry Sheridan, he who once said that if he owned Texas and Hell he would rent out Texas and live in Hell. When some Indian chief surrendered in accordance with a treaty, he identified himself as a "good Indian". Sheridan answered, "The only good Indian I ever saw was dead." I wonder what Black Kettle, the peace-loving Cheyenne who survived the Sand Creek Massacre to be killed at the Washita, would have thought of that.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 28, 2019 19:03:32 GMT -8
Today's snowflakes believe and dishonest leftists pretend they believe that individual justice could have been meted out on the American Frontier in what were often states of war between various sides.
It was common around the world for various tribes/peoples to use traders/colonialists/new settlers to fight their local enemies. Such fights were, generally speaking, very unpleasant as the locals were often ancient blood rivals intent on eradicating their foes. They were not concerned with the balance of nature or insuring enough of the enemy were left alive so as to insure future stocks for further slaughter.
I tire of the left's dishonest "Never-Never-Land" caricature and the mob's ignorance of history and life.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 17, 2019 15:53:13 GMT -8
The link is to an article by Dennis Prager which lays out why the left hates Christmas i.e. Christianity. They hate (other) relgionsAs I have long said, the left went after religion from the very beginning. Much of the "Enlightenment" was simply an attack on religion. Religion touches the soul much more deeply than money. How many martyrs in history have died for money? |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2019 21:12:30 GMT -8
Tonight I was sitting at a table with a recovering Jehovah’s Witness and a Neil deGrasse atheist. Without question, many in religion make an idol of it. And by that I mean they build a temple of ideas to themselves and there’s very little room left for the totality of God, let alone the mystery and quandaries of existence. In doing so, they smother people, subsuming them not in God but in their own egos.
So I get why the Snowflake 60’s generations hate religion. Religion often does suck. Combined with the need for following fashion and novelty, “science” has become a new idol to replace the old one. And this “science” is just another set of beliefs no more subject to direct observation.
I’m still naive or stubborn enough to believe there is a right and a wrong way to be faithful to Christianity and that about 87% of them are doing it wrong. But even a bad Christian is more sufferable than a Neil deGrasse atheist.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 23, 2021 8:22:58 GMT -8
So what’s everyone’s plan for Thursday? Last year I was by myself and thus Thanksgiving was a non-event. This year I’ve been invited to my brother’s house (well, the house of his fiancé).
It is the time to be thankful. Frankly, I’m going to have to work at that. I could lie to myself (and you) and spread around a lot of nice-sounding words. But I find it tough to be thankful for a lot of reasons.
Still, it should be a good dinner. Football is off the menu. I mean, I don’t really want to become the stereotypical cranky old man. And I’m not cranky about it. It’s just that I will not give my time and attention to what I view as poisonous elements in our culture.
Turkey and mashed potatoes, however, are far less controversial (or poisonous) so perhaps a double-helping of those. Hope you all have something nice planned.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 23, 2021 13:51:13 GMT -8
We will be eating at home, as is our tradition. However, this time, Mrs. Flu is taking advantage of a deal at the local supermarket. She has ordered a cooked whole turkey breast, which will save her the bother of roasting a turkey. This will have the added plus of not having to eat leftover turkey for a week after Thanksgiving Day, particularly since Mrs. Flu does not much like turkey.  She will, however, still be roasting Brussels sprouts, mashing potatoes with pounds of butter, steaming green beans and concocting her chestnut stuffing. Yummy. I will be washing up. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 23, 2021 14:24:28 GMT -8
Sounds good. Would love to sample the chestnut stuffing. Brussels sprouts not so much. I'd rather take a COVID shot. LOL. But love turkey and leftovers. To me, Thanksgiving is about the mashed potatoes, butter, and gravy. The rest is just filler.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 23, 2021 15:56:49 GMT -8
Mrs. Flu's Brussels sprouts are not your mother's Brussels sprouts. (If you mother cooked them the old-fashioned way. ) Mrs. Flu cuts the sprouts in half and then tosses them in olive oil. After that she shakes a garlic and onion seasoning over them. She then sprinkles a little sugar over them. Spreads them on the pan and puts them in a hot oven until the sprouts begin to char. I love them. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 23, 2021 16:04:02 GMT -8
I would be willing to try Mrs. F's Brussels sprouts from the way you described them.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 23, 2021 19:22:35 GMT -8
If you were here, she would be happy to make a larger portion. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 23, 2021 19:47:52 GMT -8
Tell Mrs. F thank you. Maybe one day that will happen. But I admit I wouldn't be traveling for the Brussels sprouts. Generally I drive in the opposite direction to them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 25, 2021 9:10:06 GMT -8
May one an all have a great Thanksgiving. And if you can't have a great one, have a humble non-woke American one.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 25, 2021 9:24:41 GMT -8
Ditto. I only realized today that this is the 400th anniversary of the first Thanksgiving. How time flies when you are having fun. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 25, 2021 9:45:38 GMT -8
The Big 4-Oh-Oh. I didn't know that.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 25, 2021 13:58:28 GMT -8
Let's give thanks to the Christians today for civilizing this planet as none other have. And to the Jews for leading us out of the wilderness.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 26, 2021 8:45:40 GMT -8
We had a Noah’s Ark-like 2-by-2 Thanksgiving. There were two types of mashed potatoes, two types of dressing, and two desserts (Costco pumpkin pie and Costco pumpkin cheesecake). But there was one big 24 lb. turkey that the host and her mother cooked to perfection.
I received ample turkey leftovers that will serve to make at least one soup and a few sandwiches. Zero football was watched.
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