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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 22, 2019 8:39:27 GMT -8
If you go to the Roku Channel right now you’ll see a free sample (2 episodes) of a lectures series on The Black Death. This course is composed of 24 lectures, each about 30 minutes. I signed up for a free 7-day trial of The Great Courses Signature Collection which supposedly includes access to 120+ titles with one to two new ones swapped in each month, all for $7.99/mo. You’ll see from the link that there is also a premium selection called “The Great Courses Plus” for $19.99/mo that offers 400+ titles. I watched the two free ones on the Roku Channel of The Black Death series of lectures and signed up for the trial and watched two more. I also watched the first lecture in the series, Jesus and His Jewish Influences. Both lecture series that I’ve seen so far are given by chicks, further reinforcing the notion that men have been all but banished from academia A review on Amazon noted that the lectures on science are pretty reliable. But be careful of the left wing bias on anything having to do with history or religion.
This lecture on Jesus and His Jewish Influences has bias written all over it. First off, the lecture series is given by a woman who seems to be doing everything she can not to look like a woman: Jodi Magness, PhD. No, you can’t judge a book by its cover, but you can collect a preponderance of the evidence. And this is not a good sign. In the first episode, it does include some early factoids on Judaism, many of which I think a scholar such as Dennis Prager would dispute or interpret differently. She claims that Judaism is not a monotheistic religion but instead simply believes in a “god most high” — that is, a god higher than other, but does acknowledges other gods. I don’t know enough to dispute this. But then she moves on to talking about Exodus. She says there is no archeological evidence of the Exodus, so therefore it was probably only a few people who left Egypt around which the tribe of Israel arose. Again, I don’t know enough about history to dispute this. And yet my first thought was if there is any archeological evidence that the Exodus was composed of just a few families. Further, could there be any archeological evidence of a group of people (large or small) who were not, so far as I understand, building permanent structures and just wandering in the desert? So there’s a toxicity, perhaps even a duplicity, in this series of lectures. I may watch a couple more just to see where this is going. But it’s pretty clear there is liberal bias. However, Professor Dorsey Armstrong’s series on The Black Death seems to suffer from something other than leftist bias. It rambles. I picked up many interesting factoids after having watched the first four episodes. But at the end of the day all I really know from this series is: The Plague was caused by the bacterium, Yersinia pestis, was probably spread by fleas from rats, there may have been other diseases combined (anthrax, smallpox, and/or a couple others), it may have been spread by gerbils, it spread really fast but no one is sure why, and maybe the bug came from outer space, but most scientists hold that as an outlier theory. That is, at the end of the day, despite some factoids here and there, I haven’t yet learned all that much about The Black Death other than the basic facts of: rats, fleas, and devastation of the population of Europe. I thought the first two episodes were excellent and then came the factor of saying much and saying very little. All kinds of things were proposed with no conclusions. Rats-and-fleas apparently weren’t enough, or might not have been the cause of all. All kinds of things are proposed. But it’s all thrown into a blender and out the other end we’re still talking about rats and fleas, so I’m not sure what, if anything, I’ve really learned. There is some good background on the structure of society at the time: Feudalism. For some reason, that has become a somewhat politically incorrect word and she apologizes for using it but says it’s a useful shorthand. I have no idea why University Marxists would not like that word. Perhaps there will be a course critiquing political correctness and the infiltration of our universities with Communists, but I’m not holding my breath. I will say that Professor Dorsey Armstrong is a much better presenter than that other woman. But one problem with both lectures is that they constantly ping-pong between two cameras. Yes, I get that simply standing there statically in front of one camera and droning on could get boring. But they way overdo the change from camera to camera. It becomes distracting, even amateurish. It’s not a bad idea to change cameras, obviously, just to mix thing up. The problem is that they do it so regularly and often that there is nothing natural about it. What else can I tell you about the plague that is new and interesting? Well, there is a lot more to this lecture series…another 20 lectures. Unfortunately, the lectures seem drawn out way too much. New information often comes in at a ponderous pace. I’ll watch a couple more on the plaque series and maybe check out some mores series that they have and report back. Still, the idea is very good. Television is a wasteland. We’ll have no argument about that. So anything that can turn that time into something more enriching and valuable is to be commended. I do sort of wonder if I’ll run into any male lecturers though. I’m sure there must be one or two.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 22, 2019 9:58:01 GMT -8
The lack of hard evidence for the Exodus has been known for a very long time. On the other hand, most of that would consist of historical records, usually supplied by monarchs boasting of their achievements. Who would boast about letting a large band of slaves escape?
There are plural references to God such as Elohim in the Bible. Isaac Asimov in his Bible guide discusses henotheism, in which each nation had its own separate (and often single) God. The Israelites had Yahweh, the Ammonites had Milcom, and the Moabites Chemosh. He mentions that the Moabite Stone, in which King Mesha celebrates his victory freeing Moab from Israel, refers to Chemosh much as the Bible refers to Yahweh. Later the Jews came to consider Yahweh not merely their God, but everyone's.
Well, I can provide more information on the Black Death than you got from that series. (Morbidity leads to some interesting fields of study.) Yersinia pestis is basically enzootic among various small rodents, and there are several foci of the disease. One is in Arabia, and has been suggested as causing the diseases that his the Philistine towns trying to keep the Ark of the Covenant after they captured it in a victory over the Israelites. Another is in eastern Africa, and is thought to be the source of the First Pandemic (the Plague of Justinian), which began at Pelusium in eastern Egypt.
Another is in Yunnan, which the Mongols conquered around 1280. From there it spread through their realm, eventually reaching the Crimean town of Caffa. Local Mongols besieged unsuccessfully, and as they left catapulted dead horses into the town which turned out to have the plague. From there it spread to Constantinople, and then throughout the West. This became the Second Pandemic, the Black Death. Note that each pandemic would lead to periodic epidemics. The initial Black Death of the mid-1340s was followed by the Pestis Secunda around 1360 and the Pestis Tertia a decade later, and then local epidemics as late as the London Plague in 1665.
The Third Pandemic began in India in the late 19th Century. It spread elsewhere; the original story of the vanishing lady (used as an Alfred Hitchcock TV episode as well as very loosely the inspiration of his fine movie The Lady Vanishes) involved an English woman dying of plague in Paris on her way home from a visit to India, and being disappeared rather than risk panicking people as a big exposition was starting in Paris. This one reached the US, and left the disease enzootic in the West, mainly New Mexico. This leads to the possibility that a major outbreak could hit here, which would especially dangerous if it went from the bubonic version (which infects the lymphatic system, leading to the swollen lymph nodes known as buboes, hence the name) to the pneumonic (which is spread like other respiratory diseases and thus no longer needs to rely on flea bites).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 22, 2019 10:59:32 GMT -8
That’s fine. But to announce that it’s only partially a myth and that the truth is that some small band of people was the more likely the truth is revisionism. The written story (which could be a complete fabrication) says something else. We might have an interesting discussion on the veracity of religious texts. But the lecturer, at least as first, is arguing from the point of view as the Torah as established fact, if only for sake of argument. This is not stated explicitly but is obvious.
But then it changes, here and there. This is a Jew talking about Judaism. Fine. And she makes what are some probably good distinctions….one being that Judaism is about practices while Christianity is about more esoteric things as faith. If only because the Christian sect was not required to obey the fine-grained Mosaic laws, this is self-evidently true. Which is not to say (as this lecturer notes) that there aren’t belief or faith elements in Judaism.
And the lecturer proceeded in a somewhat neutral, scholarly way, until she hurled what seemed a few back-handed shots at Judaism by, one presumes, a left wing non-believing Jew, although I can’t be sure of the lecturer’s beliefs.
And I have little trouble with the idea that many Jews themselves believed in a Pantheon of Gods with Jehovah at the head. After all, the first Commandment says “You shall have no other gods before Me” not “I am the only God.” This is consistent with what the lecturer was saying, that “god most high” was often the appellation because the assumption was it was a normal and widespread belief amongst Jews, and the world at large, that there were many gods. In this case, Jehovah was (according the the lecturer) considered the national god (as other states had) even while acknowledging other gods — with some of these other gods quite possibly being the “most high” in some other region or faith.
Fine again. But I would naively submit the rather obvious: Judaism was God’s attempt to pull people away from paganism and the plethora of false gods and bring mankind to the one and only true God. One can agree or disagree with this characterization. But that is my understanding. I would not at all be surprised that the people who built the golden calf still couldn’t get it through their heads what God, Moses, and other prophets were trying to make plain.
I just thought her scholarly outlook was slipshod.
I watched another episode of the The Black Death series of lectures. The lecturer is engaging in her style. But the actual content is a bit like watching paint dry. And it’s not because the topic isn’t interesting. It’s that she seems to have the trait that must be endemic to academia. And that is to take five pounds of sand and parcel it out as if it were twenty. I mean, I understand that a really thorough coverage of the topic might delve into a level of detail that I’m not interested in. But it appears that several episodes (I’ve watch part of the one on Florence) are going to detail the response to, and effect of, the black death in various cities or regions.
Goodness gracious. When even the more generic, summary-style content seems to be stretched out three times longer than it should be, I can’t imagine sitting through all this more detailed description.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 22, 2019 11:29:35 GMT -8
I don't know if it's in the earlier histories (I and II Samuel, I and II Kings) or the later ones (I and II Chronicles), but at one point the Bible complains about Solomon erecting temples to the gods of his foreign wives -- who are referred to as abominations. (This is how I remember Milcom and Chemosh, as a matter of fact. They were "the abomination of Ammon" and "the abomination of Moab". Of course, I have no idea how well King James's scholars translated the original Hebrew.) In other words, the Bible writers came to regard all these other gods not merely as lesser but as abominations (in essence, as demons).
I just checked on wikipedia, and it appears that Milcom is an alternate version of Moloch (who has many versions to his name). It also notes that the temple to Chemosh remained on the Mount of Olives until it was torn down by Josiah, the King of Judah at the time of the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Not surprisingly, he was a strong devotee of Yahweh. He was also killed in a battle against the Pharaoh Necho at Megiddo aka Armageddon.
Necho placed one of Josiah's sons on the throne as a puppet. Needless to say, when the Chaldeans under Nebuchadnezzar -- I gather that the more correct version of the name is Nebuchadrezzar -- took over, that king was replaced with another son willing to be a good puppet of Babylon rather than a puppet of Egypt.
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Post by artraveler on Dec 22, 2019 19:58:58 GMT -8
The lack of hard evidence for the Exodus has been known for a very long time. If you are looking for evidence of the sort, "Moses was here" carved on a rock in the desert than yes there its no hard evidence. And if your looking for evidence either in Egypt or Israel of an 11th century BCE prophet named Moses or Moseh than scripture is about all you have. However, we have been celebrating Passover for 3,000 years. The story is well known from the youngest to the eldest and the first question is the most important, "why is this night different from other nights?" Liberal, so-called scholars, refuse to accept the traditions of 3000 years as proof of exodus. They willingly accept oral tradition from almost any other people yet, given the Jewish story they doubt, dissect and discuss. There is less proof of the life and times of the carpenter from Bethlehem outside of scripture yet the church is very willing to accept even the most fantastic stories. There is evidence of ancient Hebrews in the Nile delta area, called in scripture Goshen, there are cities built by them and archeologists have found tombs of regional elite who were not Egyption from the time of Joseph. The exodus most likely did not happen in the manner of Charleton Heston but there most certainly was an exodus of a large number of people from Egypt probably before the reign of Ramases.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 22, 2019 20:24:50 GMT -8
David Rohl is an Egyptologist with a very different timeline based on different joint reins. (Some pharaoahs ruled jointly with their sons, and some dynasties overlapped at least partly.) This leads to the Tel el Amarna letters (correspondence of Akhenaten with vassal kings such as one by the name of Mutbaal) coming to the time of David. Thus, Mutbaal (whom he equates with Ishbaal aka Ishbosheth) at one is being importuned about where someone named Dadua is, and explaining that he has no idea. He suggests asking such figures as Ya-ab and Yashiwa. Rohl equates those names to those commonly given as David, Joab, and Jesse. This makes his complaints about Habiru raiders especially interesting.
Unfortunately, finding those books could be very difficult. Rohl was British, and they're more easily found there than here as far as I can tell. But you might find them very interesting. Most Egyptologists have no interest in such theories because they support what Rohl probably wants to find. So they ignore him without studying his actual evidence to see if there might actually be anything to it.
In this timeline, Rameses II becomes Shisak. Rohl explains that the full name was Riameshesha (or something like that -- I read this many years ago), and was shortened in the Bible to Shishak. (Apparently Rameses II is the only pharaoh specifically claiming to have captured Jerusalem in a campaign.) The name is usually attributed to a Libyan dynasty pharaoh named Shosenk. Rohl looks at the Israelite cities listed in his campaign boast and suggests that he was the unnamed pharaoh who invaded Israel around a century later but was driven off by somewhat mysterious means.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 22, 2019 21:20:56 GMT -8
I think the same people who question the Israelites' deliverance from Egypt are the same who question the existence of a Jewish carpenter from Nazareth. As far as I know, Christian churches accept the Old Testament and the Passover as historical fact.
It is interesting to note that it was Israelites who left Egypt, but it was Jews who returned to Judea after the Babylonian Captivity.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 22, 2019 21:54:30 GMT -8
I've seen some suggestion that the conversion from being Israelites (and Judeans) who worshipped Yahweh (aside from a lot of backsliding by people in the "high places") to Judaism started with Josiah and continued through the Babylonian captivity. By then the Samaritans were a separate (but related) sect.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 22, 2019 22:33:32 GMT -8
I believe the Jews became Jews during the Babylonian Captivity. It was during this period that the Babylonian Talmud was composed. This is still the touchstone of observant Jews today. I think rabbinical Judaism pretty much developed out of this.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 8:40:52 GMT -8
I’m through episode three of this. Interestingly, there has been almost nothing said about Jesus up to this point. It seems lecturers just like to hear themselves talk. The lecturer is giving a somewhat interesting brief history of Israel. But with scant mention of Jesus, I’m wondering what’s going on. I suspect the level of standards of academia have fallen dramatically and we’re witnesses the results of decades of “gold stars for just showing up.: Frankly, I learned more in the first three paragraphs of this article than presented in the lecture. Anyway, regarding points about monotheism, the lecturer says that in the north (Israel) they were more “inclusive” regarding other gods. And in the south (Judea), they were “exclusive” about the whole idea. And apparently the Torah is full of condemnation about the libtard northern tribes (presented as "bias" by the lecturer). I don’t know if this article gets the character of the situation, but I found this part interesting: None of this kind of information is included in the lectures. Without trying to read too much into it via projection, I still get the sense that this lecturer is on the side of the “inclusives” and is making out the “exclusives” to be the villains. Whatever the case may be, this is another fairly watered-down and stretched-out lecture.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 9:09:35 GMT -8
I won’t go on too much about this because, A) I’m no biblical scholar and, B) A dishonest academic is hardly news. But this lecturer does feel a bit slippery regarding her series “Jesus and His Jewish Influences,” if only because (as I mentioned above) there is almost no talk of Jesus up to this point. There is only a somewhat slipshod history of the Jews being given. A lecture series titled as this one is you’d think would be relating this Jewish history to Jesus and later events as the series goes along. But it’s as if she has picked that title out of a hat. I sampled a couple other of The Great Courses. One was on Quantum Mechanics as offered by what I would call the first normal guy I’ve seen, Professor Benjamin Schumacher, Ph.D. The subject of quantum physics fascinates me even though I have little hope of understanding even the most basic mathematics. But this fellow (from the 3 episodes I’ve watched) does a fair job of getting to the point. The first three lectures on The Black Death are pretty good and to the point as well. But this lecture series on quantum mechanics seems like a tighter and more focused presentation. But it’s still going to be mostly over my head. At the end of the day one can say this: The theory (the mathematics, that is) of quantum mechanics works extremely well. But interpreting what the world really “is” via quantum mechanics, at least to my mind, hits the hard edge of the limits of materialism. There are plenty of interpretations of quantum mechanics. But nowhere have I read what to me is the most obvious thing: Why did the universe have to be designed in this way in order to work? To take the universe as a “natural phenomenon” and expecting pure chance and randomness to hold any deep meaning is always going to be a fool’s errand. But that very outlook does comfortably mesh with an atheist point of view. Without a doubt, the universe does work and marvelously so. I think it’s obvious that there is no deep meaning to be found in the nature of quantum mechanics other than “It sure as heck does work.” But we have nothing else to compare it to. Einstein was doggedly committed to a deterministic universe. But we can reasonably surmise that a deterministic universe would not work, that all the strange phenomenon on the micro level of quantum physics is required for things as the macro level to exist — at least for the type of universe we live in. No one knows why. And the tendency of all “scientific” interpretations, of course, is to validate radical materialism. That is, quantum mechanics pretty much says we can’t say anything about anything at the deepest level, so Einstein’s intuition toward “God does not play dice” was about his demand to find meaning, not ultimate nihilism — which I would argue is behind most interpretations of what quantum physics really means. Einstein was, of course, reasonable in his outlook even if the particulars of quantum mechanics were consistent mathematically and observationally. The main metaphysical point missed by all (at least from what I’ve ever read) is that if you take the universe as a constructed or created system, there is no more “deep meaning” you can find from quantum indeterminacy (or other strange aspects of quantum physics) than you can find in the hand crank of a Model T. It’s just he way things were built to fulfill a certain function. This is why you have all these goofball “multiverse” theories from the “scientists.” It just cannot be possible that there is any design to the universe. But if it was just a random set of laws spewed out by an infinite number of universes, then you don’t need any teleological component. And the infinite number of universes is necessary because it is intuited by nearly all that for just one to have the perfectly-balanced physical properties that ours does is not consistent with random chance.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 9:20:11 GMT -8
I also watched a little bit of a lecture series titled Gnosticism. This lecturer’s early and repeated attempts to define “gnostic” had my eyes rolling. It’s like he kept reading his own dictionary definition when he should have immediately compared and contrasted a few elements of gnosticism with orthodox Catholicism. You could give someone a clue as to the difference (assuming there was a difference) within three minutes. So it wasn’t a good sign to see yet another lecturer ramble on, trying to take five pounds of content and stretch it into twenty or more. Maybe my attention span has been burned out like everybody else. Still, there’s no excuse for not getting to the point. I may watch a little more of the series but my hopes aren’t high.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 9:34:34 GMT -8
I thought the lecturer’s remarks on this were disingenuous. Whether there were a hundred or 100,000 Exodus Jews, I wouldn’t expect there to be much, if any, evidence left in the desert if their residence was always meant to be temporary.
And assuming there really were this large Jewish kingdom that eventually developed, it seems it could never have been started by just a hundred people, especially if they had to displace the Canaanites and others. Whether there were the ten plagues of Egypt, I would reasonable remain doubtful. But that there was a mass migration of a people from one place to another is eminently believable.
The acid drip of cultural Marxism will try to eat through everything. My disposition is that I’m a bit skeptical about the miracles but think the overall history is probably pretty close to the truth.
But to distrust tradition just because it’s tradition is the acid bath of Marxism. I think it’s all well and good to say that there could be some self-serving (that is, not factual) accounts in many of the world’s religious texts. But given that the Cultural Marxists in the mainstream media are wantonly manufacturing news every day of the week, I think we have to be plain about the fact that there is an entire faction in the West who wishes to bury the past just because it is the past, regardless of what is true or not true. They are not to be trusted as interpreters of what is true and what isn’t.
Now, I’m not saying all this applies to the present lecturer. She seems more to have committed the error of not getting to the point rather than academic bias or fraud. She seems well-meaning enough within her own academic context. And that context, frankly, I would hardly call rigorous even if they can spread their lectures out into 20 parts or more.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 23, 2019 9:45:49 GMT -8
My understanding is that Gnosticism is based on the idea of hidden knowledge. This makes it very desirable for elites who consider themselves superior to the masses.
That article on the division of Israel was interesting, even providing some information I didn't have before decide extensive prior reading on the subject. (We had a couple of Biblical histories when I was young, which somehow disappeared on our many moves. They were based on the Bible being true but looking at the facts behind them -- such as the Israelite King Omri being significant enough that the Assyrians referred to Israel as the House of Omri a century later, when Omri's brief dynasty (Ahab was his son) had been replaced by that of Jehu. The most successful Israelite monarch, Jeroboam II, was a descendant of Jehu.)
As might be seen from the above, Israel did have a few short dynasties. Omri's lasted into the third generation before being overthrown by Jehu, and his lasted (I think) five. But that's nothing like the Davidic dynasty, which ruled united Israel through 2 kings and then divided Judah throughout its history as an independent kingdom. Sometimes Judah ruled Edom (giving it a Gulf of Aqaba port at Ezion-Geber, more or less where Aqaba and Elath are now) and occasionally Philistia as well. Israel often ruled Moab; as I mentioned earlier, King Mesha's Moabite Stone celebrated his deliverance by Chemosh from Israelite rule.
I will also note that the tribal division was interesting. Benjamin might actually have preferred Israel to Judah, but no way Rehoboam was letting Jerusalem go -- and it was located in the middle of Benjamin. Simeon, a minor tribe, occupied southern Judah along with members of that tribe. So it was not one of the "ten northern tribes". The tribe of Levi comprised the priests and occupied cities throughout the united kingdom. Some of them remained in the north (though one version -- I think in Chronicles -- says that they tended to flee south when it became clear Israel wasn't faithful to Yahweh) and some in the south. Thus, only 8 tribes were wholly in the north and later "disappeared" (to be precise, after the conquest by Assyria they became the Samaritans).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 10:39:14 GMT -8
I watched a little more of the lecture series. I can tell I’m not going to make it through 24 episodes of this guy doing his best to stretch out the subject. Now I think I understand what’s going on. It’s what one might call “pseudo-thoroughness”. I mean, if someone is blabbering on for 24 episodes about Gnosticism, this must be the epitome of being “academic” and “scholarly.”
And I have no problem with detail. But it must be structured detail. And that “structure” must not be an excuse for stretching things out and not getting to the point.
No doubt the Catechism of the Catholic Church is likely going to have a different point of view than left wing anti-Catholics (whether outside the church or inside the church). I understand that. Everyone has an axe to grind.
You would suppose an academic handling of this topic would cover all sides fairly and put it all into context. And maybe this guy eventually does but I don’t think I’m going to hang around to find out. It’s such a plodding, information-starved pace. I’m more interesting in learning about Gnosticism than be amazed at what an academician thinks he knows.
So I’m already at cross purposes. Is the point to glorify oneself or to pass on useful and interesting information? This was so often the dividing line that many could not cross at StubbornThings.
I did watch a little more the The Black Death. The chick presenter is very good as a presenter. But this still seems a bit stretched out to match the conceit of what is considered “academic thoroughness.” But she does, in this one episode, explain how Florence dealt with the plague. And that was more or less interesting. It would seem Florence did its best not to devolve into anarchy even if anarchy was inevitable a time or two.
I think she said it wasn’t until the end of the 15h century that Florence’s population got back to 1348 levels. But they did try in the meantime to grow the population by incentivizing marriage and thus birthrates. Because so many people died, and because so much of this wealth got passed on eventually to guilds (or other institutions) because the living relatives were all gone, the guilds and politicians had some money to play around with. So they actually started to fund pensions for widows and orphans, as well as schemes for trying to induce a higher birth rate. This seemed to be primarily by offering some women help with their dowries with up to 20% of of all dowries being offered at the time being funded in part 0r in whole by a guild (or government…I forget who funded what, not that there was all that much difference between the guilds and the government).
Although the sheep-shearers and other workers took over for a time (because of the die-off or abandonment of Florence by so many of the ruling class), eventually, and fairly quickly, Florence returned to normal operation.
But the population rebound was slow in coming because Florence endured about a dozen instances of plague after the major outbreak in 1348 when it is estimated the population of Florence was reduced from 110,000-120,000 inhabitants in 1338 down to 50,000 in 1351.
It’s interesting that there were some rare islands, such as Nuremberg, who where not hit by the plague….at least this large attack of it from 1347 to 1351. The presenter noted that details regarding the plague are necessarily sketchy regarding what life was like for the majority of the people because the majority of the people couldn’t read and write. We get more of the story of the elites therefore.
There was an interesting moment when the presenter was defining feudalism, that it consisted basically of the ruling class, the priests, and the workers. She said when she asked her students what percentage these classes made up, many went for an egalitarian 33-33-33 split. My first thought (and I’m not making this up) is that 90% of the population was the working class. It was a guess. But then the lecturer noted that most of her students were surprised to hear that the workers made up 90% of the population.
Note: It’s not that I’m so smart. It’s just that yutes have been made dumb. Common sense should tell you that rulers and priests are always a tiny minority in any society. But so brain-dead and propagandized are today’s yutes, most had no clue about this.
They know not that their almost certain destiny now is to become serfs. But the elites, while always self-interested of course, didn’t always do a bad job. Would the rabble have done a better job? Well, I think this experiment was run (it was in Florence, and it didn't las long) in the French Revolution and elsewhere with poor results. Actually, it would be more accurate to say that a minority ruling class claimed to be ruling for “the working class” as one of their own. You can use the word, Comrade, a dozen times a day. But at the end of the day, Stalin and the Communist Party was ruling with an iron fist….far worse than any ruling class in Florence, for example. And today’s yutes will find very little Renaissance in AOC or the other evil Marxists.
Oh…you can bet your sweet ass my ears would perk up if any kind of reality-based information like this were part of a “scholarly” series of lectures.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 11:14:22 GMT -8
The lecturer does touch briefly on what the plague meant to people and what they generally did in response. Many, of course, saw this as god’s judgment on a wicked society. (The same way many viewed the outbreak of AIDS.) And this is a reasonable hypothesis, especially at the time. Therefore, many became prayerful and tried to pay penance as best they could. But the Democrats (sorry…I’m getting my ages mixed up) went into full hedonistic mode and “ate, drank, and were merry” before the plague got them too. And that is also understandable. It must have been astonishing for people to know that the likelihood of them dying was about 50/50 — through absolutely no fault of their own (this was not a sexually-transmitted disease or one that afflicted only those of coarse habits). Apparently 20% of the population survived the bubonic plague. But the pneumonic and septicemic versions of the plague were almost always fatal. And it’s interesting that, from what I can tell, there is no real handle on all the causes. The plague apparently spread at speeds that is not consistent with the rat theory. There apparently are not enough dead rats in the archeological record to explain the plague solely by this means. And you can read all over the web some interesting theories, some sounding quite plausible. Wiki notes: You’ll even read the inevitable smarty-pants theories that Yersinia pestis was not involved at all. The speed an almost certainty of infectious transmission almost begs some type of airborne aspect. That is certainly where pneumonic plague comes in. More Wiki: Strangely, the plague apparently was at its worst in the summer and milder in the winter — the exact opposite of what you’d expect for a flea-born illness. As the lecturer noted, in winter the fleas would have certainly made themselves at home in close proximity to the people in their warm houses. One would think that theologically it would be difficult to reconcile a guiding god of love and mercy with the apparent pointlessness, capriciousness, and waste brought by the plague. Could not god smite this little bacterium and no one would notice, thus preserving free will and a free world?
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Post by timothylane on Dec 23, 2019 11:56:57 GMT -8
Dividing the classes up can be interesting. The French had the 3 estates -- the aristocracy, the priesthood, and everyone else. The English joined the first two in the House of Lords. "Everyone else" included the bourgeoisie (rich merchants and bankers), urban workers (guild members and laborers), and peasants (which at the time would mainly or entirely be serfs). There would also be itinerants, such as actors and gypsies (neither group highly regarded, probably at least partly because they were itinerants).
Oberammergau in Germany put on an annual Passion Play because of their promise (to God) to do so if they were spared the Black Death. I presume they still do it, even if only because it would be a tourist attraction.
I wonder what the archaeological evidence of massive rat die-offs would be. And the fleas that carry Yersinia pestis can infest more than just rodents and people, and most likely so could the disease. The rats might pass the disease along because there are so many scuttling about (and we're seeing that again today in the leftist pestholes with their massive homeless populations, which is why many people are concerned about diseases such as typhus and the plague spreading in those cities).
In any case, the plague can easily go pneumonic, in which case it's nearly always fatal and highly contagious. Septicemic plague is even more fatal, killing within a day, but it's not particularly contagious.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 23, 2019 12:53:16 GMT -8
Presumably you’d find more rat skeletons than you’d expect when laying the foundation for the latest Starbucks. One theory brought up in the lectures was that the emergence of the plague in China (or at least the far east) was consistent with an explosion of gerbil populations. (This was before gay rights, so read into that what you will.) In one of the earlier lectures, the Ph.D. chick noted that, although she would explain the differences later, she would prefer to catch the septicemic variety because it was quicker. There was an interesting mix of reactions to the plague which included: persecution of Jews (except notably in Marseilles), the Society of the Flagellants (not to be confused with the Society of Flatulence), extreme piety, extreme indulgence, and the interesting (if also understandable) reaction of indifference brought upon by the sheer number of deaths. One of the more interesting reactions was when the officials of the city of Bordeaux decided to burn down their commercial district on the riverfront in order to try to stop the spread of the disease. There are all kinds of metaphors suggested for what Seattle officials might do in regards to their homeless population should they, for instance, become highly infectious carriers of the Ebola virus. No doubt the libtards would engage in self-immolation (as they are doing now, especially in Sweden) before engaging in anything that could resemble blaming the victim. Luckily there is Puget Sound between us and them but I don’t expect that barrier will work any better than ones attempted in the Middle Ages. The reaction of the common man to the disease and death (and who had not yet caught it) was understandable. They would either run to the country (or some areas not yet infected by the plague), try to isolate themselves in place (apparently even to the extent of refusing to care for dying daughters or sons), or would actually try to help one’s family and neighbors. Obviously there’s room for some shade of reaction between these extremes. I honestly could not imagine what I would do. But I suspect hunkering down with a shotgun on my front porch and chasing away any strangers could be the method. Although less life-threatening, bedbugs are the current plague brought by the “homeless” and illegal aliens. I’m very careful I where I sit and what I touch when in a public place. I mean, to be perfectly honest, if a friend or acquaintance was sort of dirty, I doubt I’d enter his or her house. So it would only be honest to say I can’t imagine entering the house of a plague victim or going out of my way (like a Franciscan or Dominican mendicant) to help them. And such orders were, of course, like everyone else, devastated by the plague.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 23, 2019 13:10:38 GMT -8
So you're on the western (Bremerton) side of Puget Sound. Good. That means that if and when Mt. Rainier explodes and wipes out Seattle (and hopefully Redmond), you should be safe.
No doubt people fleeing the plague did a lot to help spread it. The rats would stay relative near where they lived, but flea-bitten people could travel considerable distances. Even if they didn't happen to have any fleas on them at the time, if they had the plague already incubating, fleas in their new location would bite them and spread the disease to others. And if it went pneumonic . . . I read a novel a few decades ago that started with a girl back in New York from a trip to see nature out west who brought back pneumonic plague with her.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 23, 2019 14:42:48 GMT -8
I just finished a 95 minute documentary about George Washington:
This is an excellent brief biography of George Washington and why he is so important for our country. Although it covers his early years and presidency, the main focus is on the American Revolution and his time as Commander of the Continental Army. A number of eminent historians, such as Victor Hanson Davis, expand upon Washington's live and his importance in history.
If I could change one thing about the film, it would be to drop Newt Gingrich's wife as one of the presenters. She adds nothing to the presentation. In fact, I believe she detracts from the film as she is not a broadcast natural, too stiff.
Oh, I would also cut out the frequent commercials which Tubi TV inserted throughout the film.
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