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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2020 9:19:37 GMT -8
It was often used to refer to whores (reimbursed for services, or not) in a nice, sophisticated way. I always thought of it as "twilight world" and all that went with it.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2020 9:29:08 GMT -8
I believe such leftists are basically trying to make themselves and their subjects both controversial and important. This gives them an important commodity to sell.
I think you see something similar in the field of psychology, when "professionals" invent complex theories regarding basic human behavior, thereby expanding their reach and bank accounts. The more abnormal and widespread something is, the more "expert" help is needed to understand and correct it. The straightforward and obvious are not very profitable. And they don't lend themselves to giving to power over people's lives to "expert" strangers with an agenda.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 9:37:58 GMT -8
I think we should return to following the Jews. Look how far-afield Catholicism has ranged with the false pope, Francis.
As I read in a comment lately, Jesus did not ask for anyone to start a church. He wanted people to go out and create disciples. One can debate what exactly a disciple is. But I’m pretty sure it has almost nothing to do with virtue-signaling.
One could, of course, take the view that simply spreading a faith for the sake of doing so (perhaps the very definition of “disciple”) isn’t a very deep concern either. When asked by a young man “What do I still lack?” Jesus 1.0 did not say “a religious hobby.” He answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
We can assume that “follow” means “emulate.” But “perfect” sounds extremely difficult and upsetting. Virtue-signaling by sitting on a church pew is much easier.
A cynical Jew might say that without the practice of minute religious laws and a concentration on “spiritual” matters instead that congregants can’t help but turn into egotists and religious snowflakes. But then you can have the converse problem of hiding behind the letter of the law and missing the spirit of it.
The same guy who said “Love your neighbor as yourself” also said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
Hmm. He seems to have a full grasp of the Kungian rule: Life is complicated. Here’s a Jew who says to follow the law but who also talks freely about the spirit behind those laws.
One thing is for sure (which is consistent with this series): If Jesus 2.0 were to come again, he’d better be weaponed up because he’s going to run right into a secular shit-storm of petty people who are disgusted at the idea that anyone should be divine…even while so many (perhaps most) profess a belief in divinity (in god).
God is okay as long as it’s an abstract concept and thus doesn’t really matter and remains more or less a form of virtue-signaling.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 9:50:04 GMT -8
Sounds like another Kungian Rule. We’d better add that to the list.
The strange thing is, life is indeed complicated. (Kungian Rule #1.) But that other rule acknowledges that even when things are straightforward (and most things would have to be or we just couldn’t operate in this world), there is a temptation by dishonest or just ignorant intellectuals to try to make them seem complicated.
It couldn’t just be that Conan Doyle — having studied under the best modern medical men and with a strong mind for minute details himself, and a penchant for writing stories — might just want to write about that. After all, even as a child, he was writing stories. And this New York Times writer noted that his medical practice had pretty much flattened-out in terms of earning potential.
So off Conan Doyle went and thought, “Hmmm…maybe by writing a treatise in the form of a connected series of stories about a more scientific-minded private detective and his doctor cohort I can explore a survival myth for this modern era and can make a lot of money.”
Could be. Could be.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2020 10:08:45 GMT -8
Life is complicated enough without these phonies doing their best to make it even more so. Of course, by confusing people about things which should not be difficult to figure out, these phonies distract from the really difficult questions which require energy and effort to address. Keeping the prolis confused is a major aim of the left.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 10:13:41 GMT -8
Assuming that every person you see in the same scene with Jesus 2.0 isn’t a secret cohort playing out a pre-planned script, that last scene of the jet crash is almost conclusive in terms of this guy at the very least being a demon with demon powers.
The child tells Avi that Jesus 2.0 basically raised them from the dead. They were both grey with flies in the mouth. Obviously dead. But then he witnessed Jesus 2.0 putting his hand to their chests and they came alive.
Again, clever (that is, dishonest) Netflix writers can back-fill this in many ways. Maybe they weren’t dead and that touch to the chest was vigorous CPR, although that is not what the boy describes. Maybe the boy who just happened upon the crashed jet was in on the plan and was rendezvousing as scheduled. But how could you be so precise about where a jet plane crashed? And who in their right mind would crash a jet in a desert as part of an elaborate scheme to convince people you were the Messiah just so you could (presumably) start an east-west war that would favor Iran?
Sophomore slumps for a series are common and it’s not hard to imagine that this series has written itself into a cul-de-sac. We see at the end there that one of Avi’s associates has been touched by an angel and is seen kissing the hand of Jesus 2.0. That’s a rational reaction when you wake up from a jet that has crashed in the desert and are alive. And presumably this guy know that he should be dead (or was dead) and that Jesus 2.0 intervened. One supposed that Avi will not have a "bitch-slapped by an angel" moment but perhaps will snarl a bit less.
Contrary evidence is that Jesus 2.0 did not apparently save that child….as far as we know. He (she?) may be saved in the truest, long-terms sense. And we can’t assume (or perhaps shouldn’t assume) that Jesus 2.0 would be, or should be, nothing more than an upgraded healthcare plan. But it’s only fair to say that anyone who reportedly can perform miracles will be hard-pressed by crowds of people seeking relief. What a moral dilemma seemingly for any Messiah.
Of course, Messiahs can’t have moral dilemmas because they are (at least in the Christian view) part of the very Founders of moral code. But it seems, at least from the experience of Jesus 1.0, that a Messiah will certainly dabble in miracles. We know not why so little and not so much.
It will be interesting to see how they play the epileptic chick, the daughter of Reverend Felix. Her presence on the stage vacated by Jesus 2.0 didn’t make much sense to me. Is she to be the next Mary Magdalene of sorts? Is she going to be an example of the long-line of prophets who are considered to be “touched” by God because of their strange mental afflictions?
Of all the people in this, surely Avi is the most unlikable, and it is meant to be that way. But I sure gained a healthy dislike for Mrs. Reverend Felix. No wonder the daughter wanted the hell out of there.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 10:18:20 GMT -8
Exactly. They muddle and muddy the waters.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 6, 2020 11:11:27 GMT -8
Well, I see a lot has happened in my absence. Of course, I haven't seen The Messiah and presumably never will, so I have nothing to say about it.
As for Arthur Conan Doyle, I wonder what sort of slave-trading was going on off the Slave Coast as late as 1881. I think even Brazil had freed its slaves by then. I'm not sure about the Spanish in Cuba and Puerto Rico, though they probably had enough cheap local labor by then to get by.
I also wonder if that idiotic analyst is familiar with The Statement of J. Habakkuk Jephson, which deals with racial matters (I gather; I've read about it but have never seen it) in an interesting way. It was inspired by the strange disappearance of the crew of the Mary Celeste, and has had such influence (partly because he made only small changes to the facts) that most versions of the story are based on his story rather than the actual events. (This is why the ship is commonly misnamed Marie Celeste.)
I have occasionally seen the word demi-monde, but never in such a way as to learn its meaning. Today it could be a synonym for Hollyweird and the Demagogues added together. Robert Louis Stevenson's Hyde was a perfect example. And we know where he ended up.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 6, 2020 11:12:24 GMT -8
It seems to the church as Jesus 1.0 envisioned it and the church invented in his name are very different. Christians can have a close intimate relationship with G-d, but have challenges in the real world. Basically, "you go to your church, I'll go to mine and we will both avoid the SOB on the hill". The basic question of Christians is, "how can I have a relationship with G-d?"
On the other hand, we Jews ask a different question. "How can we live a philosophy that allows people to be together in a community, and thus, serve G-d? I believe they are two sides of the same coin. The intensity of Christian belief is also found in some Eastern European Jewish cults, Kabbaleh for example. But they have never taken hold in the mainstream. I guess this is the area where everything is difficult and complex comes into play. But it is a two sided coin, not three. Islam is and always has been pagan and not in any way Abrahamic and anathema to freedom.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 13:30:31 GMT -8
LOL. I’ve lived such a sheltered life. I’ve missed most of those keen sayings.
I don’t dispute that characterization at all. I have a narrow area of knowledge regarding St. Francis who seems to be a good Jew, through and through. He likes his rules (but not too many, and probably the current explosion of the Franciscan Order he would simply roll his eyes at). And he lived these rules in part to bind a community under God.
He lived an idealized life…or tried to. Like an observant Jew, he lived as if he really believed God existed. He had more than a healthy fear of hell, for sure. But he also wanted to live in accordance with the virtue outlined in the Bible. Yes, he concentrated on the New Testament. But to a Christian, the two are irreversibly linked.
To a Jew, the New Testament might seem as illegitimate and patched on as the gibberish in the Koran which is a clear parasite on the original Abrahamic faith. If Christianity is not also, it hinges on the authenticity of Jesus as the Messiah.
As Dennis Prager often says, let’s have clarity before agreement. I think I’ve been clear about this, at least according to my quite limited understanding of it all.
I just learned watching a lecture by Dr. James Tanton on The Great Courses channel that if you added up all the fractions on the line of whole numbers (as on a two-dimensional ruler), the entire “width,” if you will, of all those fractions between the whole numbers, when added up, account for zero space on that ruler. I don’t understand the logic even after seeing it. But apparently this is true.
And the astonishing conclusion from this is that mathematicians (and the rest of us) are dealing with only an extremely small set of the numbers that exist on that entire spectrum of the whole-number rule. That is, we don’t even have a clue what those other numbers are.
This is all admittedly over my head, but I have paraphrased Tanton very well, I think. And this state of affairs comes to mind when trying to comprehend God. It is thus no wonder that 999 times out of 1000, “God” is merely an extension of ego. (And if we are a manifestation of God, perhaps this isn’t a bad or incorrect thing.)
One could say, very broadly (too broadly, for sure), the Judaism is an acknowledgement that God is far too great for us to comprehend. There are certainly other reasons for this, but surely this is also evident in the Jewish inclination to write G-d and not God. Even if not, one could say that one thing we can do for sure is follow rules and rituals. These are quite tangible things. Like a doctor whose creed is, "First, do no harm" a Jew (or Christian's) credo could be "At least abide by the rituals and rules."
Christians, I think typically, are all Gnostics of one form or another. They can “know” god. They can have a “relationship” with him. No wonder the Gnostics (for more reasons than just this, for sure) were considered heretics. They simply made this aspect very clear.
And, to me, that’s another Kungian “life is complicated” aspect. If God is real, there must be some paper trail you can follow or shadow you can glimpse. Christians have this debate about works and beliefs. And you can go all esoteric up the ying-yang trying to intellectualize the point. One can say, for instance, that your beliefs aren’t anything but surface-level affectations if they don’t lead to concomitant acts. And acts alone can be hollow, even destructive, without a belief grounded in Good. (See: The Left)
No wonder there are so many denominations, religions, etc. It’s hard to put into any number of words something so big. If we can’t even know the vast majority of numbers, how much about God can we know? (And what an amazing math he must have.)
The Jewish way is good. The Christian way is good. The problem becomes one of G.K. Chestertonian proportions that surely applies to both: Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 13:41:51 GMT -8
If you’ve got access to broadband, I believe Netflix still offers a free trial. It might be worth checking out.
Isn’t there a saying the “Demi-mondes have more fun.” Or am I thinking of something else?
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Post by timothylane on Jan 6, 2020 13:53:55 GMT -8
Well, I guess stereotypical blondes are part of the demi-monde. These would be the sorts parodied in the novelty song "'Cause I'm a Blonde". (Of course, it can be argued that it parodies men just as much as blondes, but never mind.) I have it on one of my Dr. Demento collections. (The collection doesn't cite the singer, but I think it was Julie Brown, who also did "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun". That's on a different Dr. Demento collection. I just confirmed this on wikipedia, which has an article on her.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 15:04:24 GMT -8
There’s a really cute blonde in this series. She’s the mother of the sick child. Emily Kinney. Frankly, she looks a bit more like her husband’s older daughter than wife. But she’s everything you want to see in a TV series blonde. Well…almost everything. I don’t immediately see a rating for this, but it’s likely something like PG-13 or whatever the Netflix equivalent is of that.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 6, 2020 15:44:49 GMT -8
I understand that a blonde with dark eyebrows is probably a fake. (This comes up in Pioneer Go Home at one point. I also take it into account when watching TV.) I'm sure this will come as a great shock to you.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 22:22:09 GMT -8
I couldn’t tell you what’s real anymore. It’s always possible that she’s trans-brunette. She was born a blond but is now in the midst of making the transition to brunette. I believe they start with the eyebrows.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2020 22:43:12 GMT -8
There likely will be come kind of push back, and in our lifetimes. Boy, wasn’t that guy hosting the Golden Globe Awards something. Sometimes that’s all it takes. One person says the emperor has not clothes.
One can go on and on about the reasons for the rot of popular culture. But I think we can say that it is rot. We have to navigate it but we dare not adopt it.
And yet, people now identify so strongly with mass culture motifs and elements that it is unthinkable for most that life is even livable going against the grain. Thing of the uptick in teen suicides. This is a rational decision based on the premise that if you don’t fit in now, you never will. It's simply unthinkable to ask the question of whether one should fit in.
There are very few people telling yutes to just ditch it all, to take a look at mad mass culture, to examine it like a dissected frog and see how it is just a thing. It’s unnecessary. It’s artificial. It's downright ugly. You can choose something else.
The Amish have it right. Hasidic Jews have it right. Homeschoolers have it right. We need to chuck most of this stuff, even laugh at it and ridicule it. Our leaders (entertainment, sports, or political) have become almost to a man (or woman) extremely silly. Most of these are not serious people although they may be powerful and popular.
We had Obama for a president. The Catholics have a fake pope as Pope. The new world religion (“climate change”) is pseudo-science. Most art and entertainment has become shallow (if not downright dishonest), devoid of both beauty and meaning. Their only aim now is to distract…especially from noticing how vacuous their content is.
Billion-dollar blockbusters are so utterly without merit that a sane person begins to question his or her own sanity. Surely one must be wrong. The rest of the mass culture must, in some way, be right.
The individual lies tattered and torn, having been assaulted for years by mediocrity, dishonesty, and shallowness. People have come to expect no more, and probably simply know of nothing better.
We know better. Keep the faith.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 7, 2020 9:40:14 GMT -8
There likely will be come kind of push back, and in our lifetimes. Boy, wasn’t that guy hosting the Golden Globe Awards something. Sometimes that’s all it takes. One person says the emperor has not clothes. I don't know when or what kind of pushback there will be. It seems there has been pushback talk since the 60s, 70s, 80s . . . and nothing has happened. The only semblance of pushback has been the election. of Reagan and Trump. We have been saying the emperor has no clothes for 50 years and the kabuki dance continues. Tucker Carlson is running a series on the streets of San Francisco. It has become a dirty third world city thanks to the mismanagement of democrats for the last 50 years. It is dirtier, more crime ridden, and disease filled than it was during the hippie generation. They have replaced drugs, sex n' rock with typhus, HIV, plague and maggots. We watch movies like Soylent Green and dismiss the social conditions as science fiction, but is it really? Today's San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angelous, Oakland, New York, Baltimore, and others are only a few steps away from feudal enclaves where the elite live in protected castles and the common folks scratch out a living from the left behind dregs. I wonder how long it will be before democrats resort to a real Hunger Games?Milton Friedman, not Reagan, once said that we are only one generation away from the loss of our freedom. I wish I could say I have confidence in the current generation, but I don't. I have been in some of the most dangerous places in the world, even in combat and I felt safer there than any democrat run city. In a war zone there is a necessity to be armed and today in most American cities that is the only option. Christians have been debating the signs of the beginning of "end times" for at least 1500 years. The eschatology of the end is debatable, as an intelligential study, but assuming Jesus 2.0 is a kind of prediction of the future than maybe the social, cultural, moral rot is surely a sign.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 7, 2020 10:38:16 GMT -8
In addition to all the other various problems in leftist cities such as Scat Francisco, their criminal justice systems are being wrecked by local prosecutors elected with massive support from George Soros and his gang. One recent innovation is the elimination of bail for most crimes. One of the recent anti-Semitic crimes in New Orc City was an assault by an anti-Semitic woman who was immediately let out without bail, committed another assault, was arrested, . . . Eventually de Blasio, embarrassed, had her held over as a possible lunatic.
There was also an inept burglar caught and charged with 3 third-class burglaries -- and released without bail because that's not a severe enough crime. So he went out and committed another burglary, got caught, was released, committed another burglary, got caught, was released . . . I would expect he will be caught again for another burglary pretty quickly.
And how many of these criminals will show up at their trials? If you're out under bail, failure to show up causes you to forfeit the bail. So most do show up. What will induce these people to do so?
The GOP needs to run hard on these issues this year. The Demagogues, being revolutionaries at heart, have always preferred the aberrant to the normal, and this includes preferring criminals to their victims just as it also involves preferring illegal aliens to citizens and sexual deviants to non-deviants. They're finally making that clear enough for anyone who doesn't share their radicalism to see -- if it's pointed out to them adequately. A link to an article on the burglary fiasco is:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 7, 2020 16:33:08 GMT -8
I hear ya. If you followed my thoughts on this through the years, I’ve always been doubtful of push-backs and blow-backs. It’s the old syndrome of “Surely this latest outrage will break the camel’s back.”
But the camel is still standing. The difference with the Golden Globes guy was that it was a case, more or less, of libtards bashing libtards. When one of their own says this stuff, it could be a sign of deeper discontent.
I’d love to see that Tucker Carlson series on San Francisco. It sounds like he’s doing good work.
That’s a great point. Let me summon my inner Charlton Heston as say, Soylent Green is homeless!!!!
Me neither. My shtick has been to say that if anyone — politician or entertainer — forthrightly trashes this stuff, they’ll become an instant rock star. Trump became president by doing so. Neither Mittens nor McCain became president because they were such political wimps.
And I really loved how this guy skewered Apple. I love Apple products but hate the company.
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