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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 5, 2023 9:28:21 GMT -8
According to AXIOS, it is not only the Jewish community being torn apart by the happenings in Gaza. Tearing apart Demonrats I am all for just about anything which damages the Demonrat Party, more properly known as the Communist Party of America. They are mainly, though not completely, responsible for the fact that we have this in America. Pro-Hamas Protest
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 5, 2023 14:17:04 GMT -8
I wonder if these people will be charged with insurrection the way those J6 people have been? Death to Israel
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 5, 2023 15:10:54 GMT -8
See how long you'll get by shouting "Death to the Transgender" at the White House gates.
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Post by artraveler on Nov 5, 2023 16:00:41 GMT -8
I wonder
No wonder to it, if charged they will not be tried, if tried they will not be convicted and if convicted they will be given a suspended sentence. Best guess they will be given appearance tickets and never charged, released on OR.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 5, 2023 20:31:09 GMT -8
I wonder if the media covered that stuff. I'm sure they'd try to hide it or minimize it. But if one is a Jewish voter, and one logically thinks about it in term of "What if they were screaming 'Death to transgenders,' it has to begin to dawn on you how the Democrats value you. And it's very little.
If you can't be insulted out of reflexive party affiliation after this, then what would change someone's mind?
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 5, 2023 20:56:17 GMT -8
This is a somewhat bizarre clip of young people (no doubt college students and other slackers) protesting the shipment of arms to Israel. I say somewhat bizarre as if one looks closely, one will notice that the people making the most noise and speaking in the megaphones are East Asians. Frankly, it has been my experience that East Asians don't much care one way or the other about Israel and Palestine. During my years in Asia I was sometimes asked why the USA was such a strong supporter of Israel, but that was only by people who were involved in international business of one sort or another. Asians for Palestine I wonder how much of this nonsense is the result of our insane education system and how much is the CCP and its lackeys stirring the pot in America?
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Post by artraveler on Nov 5, 2023 21:07:54 GMT -8
I wonder how much of this nonsense is the result of our insane education system and how much is the CCP and its lackeys stirring the pot in America? With these useful idiots the CCP doesn't need to do anything active to stir the pot. Our fools in education do all the work for them. The CCP can legitimately claim they did nothing to support or encourage this kind of subtle treason.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 6, 2023 8:03:19 GMT -8
It would seem that ugly, fat women and beta-males need something to give meaning to their lives. I blame single motherhood as well. There are a lot of morally adrift people out there.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 6, 2023 17:24:13 GMT -8
There are those things to consider as well.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 7, 2023 7:10:08 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 7, 2023 10:19:34 GMT -8
Progressive American Jews are shocked by their fellow progressives. But the only thing that is shocking is their shock. Did they think that being part the "Chosen People" meme meant anything to progressives? What a bunch of dummies. That is a distinction without a difference, or at least very little difference. I think Prager is being disingenuous. I would bet that a large percentage of "Liberal Jews" are basically leftist dressed in "reasonable" clothes. They voted for every Demonrat politician. They went along with just about every leftist policy and action imposed on this country. Perhaps they thought being Jewish was still an ace which could be played in the many political disputes which take place among the left. Unfortunately, they have found out that they were mistaken. Progressives have no such loyalties. Their leftist Landsmaenner have demonstrated that the leftist, let's call it what it really is COMMUNISTIC, impulse to destroy the West trumps Jewishness or any other such inherent characteristic one my have. As I have said before, many Jews, particularly the intelligencia types, have a very poor ability to discern who their friends are. Or at least they can't figure out who their real enemies are. One need only look at what happened to them in the U.S.S.R. for confirmation of this. I previously mentioned the fact that when I lived in Asia, I was sometimes asked why the USA was such a strong supporter of Israel. In that previous post, I didn't repeat the answer I gave those Asians, but let me do so now. This took place in the 1980s. "The question of Israel is no longer primarily a foreign-policy question in the United States. It has become a domestic policy issue. Of course, Israel has the support of a large percentage of the Jewish population of the US. But more importantly, Israel has the support of tens-of-millions of evangelical Christians across America. These people are the best friends Israel has ever had and they will support Israel to the end." Let me say, that I am certain many Jews appreciate this support while others chuckle quietly to themselves as to how silly those Goyim are. Be that as it may, there is no doubt that without those silly Goyim, Israel's position would be much, much more difficult. Perhaps now fewer people are chuckling under their breath. It is time to wake up.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 7, 2023 10:47:18 GMT -8
Full disclosure: Dennis Prager is smarter, wiser, (richer), and braver than me. But he has what I consider a fundamentally flawed core political belief, and that is that there is some separate "liberal" category.
The idea is that "liberals" aren't actually taking part in the furtherance of the Left (even as useful idiots). They are just blind to it.
I don't buy that. There is no hard line between Leftism and liberalism. As I say, liberalism is the gateway drug to Leftism. This is so because Leftism is only a continuation or escalation of those same "liberal" beliefs.
Yes, you can, if you are clever, define "liberalism" so as to put it in a nice, tight box. We believe in free speech, etc. The core problem with this is in Prager's own comments:
I would say the core thing that makes liberalism the gateway drug to Leftism is because it has no Vitamin N ("no") in its lexicon. Everything is loosy-goosy. Only those hard-nosed wacko fundamentalist woman-hating regressive conservatives say "no" to things.
So "liberals" wake up one day and find that most people do indeed support "free speech"...but with a catch. And so because of the lack of Vitamin N in their beliefs, they allow the opposite set of authoritarians in control, for in the "liberal" fevered mind, the "right wing" is synonymous with Hitler, the worst sort of authoritarians.
Like I said, Jews are proven to have a higher I.Q. But socially and politically, most of them are dumb as rocks. Or, just as you said:
But I don't think Dennis is being disingenuous. I think it's because he has so many relatives and friends who are "liberal" that he refuses to place the blame on them. I don't know. In a way, perhaps that is being disingenuous.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 7, 2023 10:52:26 GMT -8
Well said, That will cost you fifty cents for the "Like."
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 7, 2023 11:00:35 GMT -8
Then let's say he is not being "intellectually honest," i.e. he is not reporting what he is actually seeing. He twists facts in such a way so as to protect whatever people and cows are sacred to him. In effect, he is simply making excuses for their bad behavior. This is very common and one must always be on the look out for it when dealing with intellectuals and such.
Being intellectually honest is something I have always taken pride (can I use that word?) in. It is not always comfortable and doesn't often make one popular. Drawing disagreeable conclusions from information which was supposed to support one's position can be uncomfortable.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 7, 2023 11:27:43 GMT -8
Yes, as long as your hair remains monochrome, notwithstanding any graying temples. [Out of all the photos I could have chosen, I chose the above because she (she???) had a "I know I look stupid" impression on her face. I can admire that honesty, if not the fashion statement. Regarding her "gender," perhaps only her hairdresser knows...and even then.]
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Post by artraveler on Nov 7, 2023 19:09:09 GMT -8
flawed core political belief, and that is that there is some separate "liberal" category.
Prager is in a difficult position. He is educated both scholastically and in Torah. His secular education is one of traditional liberalism. Which we today call conservative. Yet, his religious education, founded in Torah and Talmud often places him in conflict intellectually. Thomas Sowell wrote often of the ideal and the tragic parts of human nature. There is a great part of the Jewish soul that yearns to believe the ideal, utopian part of modern political philosophy; while that is counterbalanced by the realities of how the world really works. It is difficult to sit on the fence and try to choose. 80 years ago, we faced the most horrific barbarity man could dream up. We established our own county to counter the evil in the world and give meaning to the slaughtered millions. Now we find after 80 years the world hasn't changed much, if at all. Must we, as a people, give up our cherished traditional values to combat the evils of Oct 7th? It is not an easy question to solve and right now every thinking person Jew or not is charged with an answer. After much reflection, I have chosen to hoist the black flag, take no prisoners and turn the ground to salt.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 7, 2023 19:46:27 GMT -8
Let's expand a little on your observation. Many Jews, like many Germans, fell for the idea of utopia and became that most dangerous of characters, "The Romantic." I am not talking about being a romantic as in love, rather I mean being a romantic in not only aiming for some unattainable ideal, but actually believing it can be reached. Suspending reality. The Nazis were romantics of a sort. So were the Bolsheviks.
It is emotionally hard to accept, but skepticism is much healthier than romanticism. Being a skeptic doesn't mean one can't have goals and ideals. It just means one takes a realistic look at all claims and tries to determine the veracity of each. When humanity inevitably lets one down, a skeptic may be somewhat disappointed but doesn't go berserk and loose one's mind like a spurned lover.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 7, 2023 19:56:26 GMT -8
It always amazes me when people are hit with the fact that human nature does not change. At times like these, I don't think people have to give up their traditional values so much as they need to rediscover and re-assert their traditional values. It is the abandonment of Judeo-Christian values which has damaged the West tremendously.
A couple of observations which are somewhat related to the situation.
1) I have a Swiss friend who leans left. We have known each other for over 45 years and he is a good man. Almost two weeks ago, he sent me an email with the request to sign a linked-to petition calling for peace. I have not replied to him as I don't quite know how to answer. He knows me well and understands I am conservative and not one for meaningless displays. And I find the "Petition for Peace" thing to be pretty meaningless. I will have to say something soon.
2) I have a German friend living in Switzerland who is shocked and appalled at the huge demonstrations going on in Germany condemning Israel and supporting Hamas. As I told him, this is what happens when you let in millions of Muslims into your country.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 8, 2023 15:01:07 GMT -8
One picture is worth a thousand words. -Kung Fu Zu.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 8, 2023 20:50:21 GMT -8
Just so you know, I would kill every Muslim on this Earth if I had God-like Noah's-ark reset powers….and move heaven and earth to save, comfort, and encourage any Jew, even the ones wandering in the Marxist desert.
It is so overpoweringly awful when a Jew goes astray because they are meant to give moral guidance to us all. This reflects what Dennis Prager says about religious people doing bad things. It is so much worse because it taints the entire project, thus one of the most important, and probably least understood, Commandments: Number III.
Jews are just as prone to political and social nonsense as anyone else. They didn't invent it. But, holy smokes, even Dennis Prager gets in on the act when he refers to Nazi Germany and Hitler as "right wing." Hell, if I believed those things were "right wing," I'd look askance at any conservative as well.
From what I understand, many Jews are thickly ingrained with prejudices such as this. And it has kept them trapped in what I consider a moral and political swamp. Let's hope a bit of reset is going on out there. It's high past time...and not just for Jews.
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