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Feb 16, 2020 15:57:52 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 16, 2020 15:57:52 GMT -8
The History Channel has a 3-part miniseries on George Washington for "Presidents' Day". The first part deals with Washington as a British soldier (and no doubt his early life), the second deals with his role in the American Revolution, and the third as President.
The first round appears tonight at 8 p.m. EST, being repeated at least twice more. They do the same thing with the second part tomorrow and the third part on Tuesday. In addition, on Monday they'll repeat the first part at 6 p.m EST and on Tuesday they'll do the same with the third part.
In addition, FNC will have a special on past presidents at 10 p.m., no doubt repeated at 1 a.m.
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Feb 17, 2020 9:16:17 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 17, 2020 9:16:17 GMT -8
Sounds good.
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Feb 17, 2020 17:38:03 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 17, 2020 17:38:03 GMT -8
I saw the first part, and plan to see the second and third parts tomorrow. This is done as a documentary, not as a biopic, in the same pattern as Ken Burns's miniseries on the War of the Rebellion and baseball. Inevitably, there were things I would have liked to see -- including the fact that Braddock made it almost all the way to Fort DuQuesne without being attacked. The French wanted to hit him with their Indian allies and were very frustrated that his ordinary precautions were sufficient to prevent this. The British let down their guard when they got near the fort, no doubt overeager, and rendered themselves vulnerable to a Franco-Amerindian attack.
But to cover Washington's career all the way up to the point that he took command of the Continental army outside Boston, they couldn't include everything. It's perhaps unsurprising that when it came to getting a politician to discuss Washington as a leader, they had . . . Slick Willie. Well, it could have been worse. At least he only made a couple of brief appearances. Overall, what I've seen so far is probably better than the Burns series that I saw.
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Feb 18, 2020 18:03:43 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 18, 2020 18:03:43 GMT -8
I've seen the second part of the Washington series, which basically covers events from Washington's arrival in New York (ignoring everything in Boston after Washington took command) to Arnold's betrayal. The first half or so deals with the 1776 campaign, including the desperate attack on Trenton that can be considered the first major turning point of the war. The second includes the 1777 campaigns, Valley Forge (I was disappointed that they made no mention of Baron von Steuben, former Prussian engineering officer, who played such a major role in professionalizing the Continentals), and (briefly) later events.
They really needed a lot more than 6 hours.
The second part starts by covering the remainder of the war. Much of it is on the Yorktown campaign, and I found it interesting to watch the scenes of the capture of the two advanced redoubts. We visited Yorktown and other sites in the area during out 1960-61 stay in Alexandria, and I remember visiting the redoubts. They also conclude the first hour with the Newburgh conspiracy, which Washington prevented by showing his own personal sacrifices for the cause, and Washington's decision to go home (and King George's sage -- for once -- take on it). The second half, which is about to begin, will presumably focus on his presidency. (There was no mention of the making of the Constitution.)
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Feb 18, 2020 19:05:10 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 18, 2020 19:05:10 GMT -8
The final hour does indeed concentrate on Washington's presidency. There is little on his policies other than paying off the existing war debt (which of course would take far longer than his term) and one result of the taxes Hamilton pushed to do so -- the Whiskey Rebellion. Naturally they discuss issues relating to slavery, such as rotating his household slaves between Mount Vernon and Philadelphia because of Pennsylvania law (visitors could bring slaves, but if they were there 6 months they were declared free). His decision to step down after 2 terms was itself revolutionary, and led to subsequent presidents repeating the precedent for the simple reason that no one was willing to claim superiority to Washington.
Until FDR came along, of course. One could note that TR ran for a third term in 1912, and Wilson might have done so if he were capable of it. Progressivism rejected both tradition and modesty. (No surprise that they didn't go into that, of course.)
There is a final coda covering Washington's death and the public memorials afterward as well as Martha Washington's reaction. (They did mention his freeing his slaves in his will, though with one exception it was to take place at her death. None of the other Virginia founders did so.) In discussing his qualities, they sadly don't mention Henry Lee's famous "first in war, first in peace, and first in the heart of his countrymen".
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Feb 18, 2020 21:40:11 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 18, 2020 21:40:11 GMT -8
One wonders how any summation of Washington could leave this out. All the Founding Fathers acknowledged that he was heads and shoulders above them and was the "irreplaceable man." From what I have read, most if not all historians doubt our country would have come to being without George Washington.
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Feb 18, 2020 21:59:13 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 18, 2020 21:59:13 GMT -8
They did admit the indispensability of Washington. This for the precedents he created for giving up power, his success in squelching the Newburgh conspiracy, his generous treatment of the Whiskey Rebellion, and of course some of his military decisions -- most notably Trenton and Yorktown. They also recognize the near-miraculous nature of Washington's successful withdrawal from Brooklyn.
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Feb 18, 2020 22:14:34 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 18, 2020 22:14:34 GMT -8
Of course the example he set as the first president set the nation on a course which otherwise would have been quite different. But it was not that which made Washington irreplaceable.
It was the much more than that. It was the Washington who held the Continental Army together for years when the damn Continental Congress did not pay soldiers' wages. It was the Washington who gave his core of 3,000 or so men at Valley Forge the determination to stay the course after multiple defeats and hardships. It was the Washington who realized that he didn't have to win the Revolutionary War, he just had to not lose it. It was the Washington who developed the reasoned patience to take advantage of that fact and avoid major conflict with the enemy unless he thought the time and place advantageous. Without Washington, it is doubtful there would have been a United States of America for him to be President of.
His squelching of the Newburgh Conspiracy, his refusal to even consider becoming a king, his voluntary resignation as Commander-and-Chief of the Continental Army, and his resignation of the presidency when he could have become President-for-Life, make him unique in the annals of history.
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Feb 19, 2020 7:09:52 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 19, 2020 7:09:52 GMT -8
A biography of Albert Sidney Johnston (the senior Confederate army commander) once noted that he was no military genius, but that he was the sort who could have maintained an army in extremis through leadership, much as Washington did. Of course, Johnston never got the chance to see if he could do that. Lee did, and pretty well, though he had a lot of deserters. But so did Washington. The wonder, in both cases, is that they both had a decent number who didn't desert despite everything.
I guess that happens once you make a nation and truly establish it. Many people will fight for it no matter ow bad the situation is. But in Washington's case, the situation on occasion -- as it was before Trenton when the army's enlistments would expire in another week, at Valley Forge when they were starving and frozen while the British occupied their capital, and at Newburgh when the troops considered marching on Congress to get their pay at last -- was unbelievably bad.
Character matters, and that's what Washington had most of all.
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Feb 19, 2020 9:55:07 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 19, 2020 9:55:07 GMT -8
Truer words have never been spoken.
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May 16, 2020 9:12:12 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 16, 2020 9:12:12 GMT -8
They identified Richard Chamberlain's bones. Anjin SanSeriously, I find this very interesting. Adams must have been a very interesting character.
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May 16, 2020 9:35:35 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 16, 2020 9:35:35 GMT -8
Wow. What an interesting find.
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This book was recommended by someone in the comments section.
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May 16, 2020 9:40:44 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on May 16, 2020 9:40:44 GMT -8
I never read Shogun or saw the movie, but I must admit that this is an interesting tidbit. The most comparable event might be finding the grave of Frederick Townsend Ward, the American "devil soldier" who founded the Ever-Victorious Army (though it earned its sobriquet best under Charles Gordon, which is why the latter is known as Chinese Gordon) and became a mandarin of the third rank.
A fictional account (to some extent) of Ward can be found in Flashman and the Dragon.
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May 16, 2020 10:25:38 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 16, 2020 10:25:38 GMT -8
This is the book I would recommend. I must have read it in 1979 when I first moved to Japan. Once I read it, I thought it pretty clear where Clavell got his "Shogun" material from.
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May 16, 2020 10:32:13 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on May 16, 2020 10:32:13 GMT -8
That sounds like it might be interesting. I will mention that I once saw at least part of a movie on TV about the American ambassador to Japan after Perry's mission and his efforts to further open the country up. I don't recall the title, but there are two scenes I recall. One involved the embarrassing moment when the Japanese court brought up the matter of American chattel slavery. The other involved a few Americans escaping a merchant ship -- infected with cholera. All he knew about dealing with cholera was that fire would do wonders.
In addition, Stephen Sondheim did a musical (Pacific Overtures) about Perry (and later other efforts) from the Japanese point of view. It concluded with a modern look, including how many Japanese watches are sold in Switzerland and how many Japanese souvenirs were sold during American bicentennial celebrations.
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May 16, 2020 13:25:52 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on May 16, 2020 13:25:52 GMT -8
I did some checking on wikipedia, and it would appear that the movie I saw (probably just part) of was The Barbarian and the Geisha, movie (with a fictional affair) about Townsend Harris, the first American consul at Shimoda (as provided for in Perry's treaty with Japan). It does briefly mention the cholera epidemic.
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May 16, 2020 13:49:39 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 16, 2020 13:49:39 GMT -8
As I recall, the Geisha in question did not want to go work for Harris, but the local (and other) worthies basically forced her to do so in order that they could keep an eye on Harris and learn about those henna gaijin (strange foreigner) customs. In any case, she didn't last very long as Harris apparently fired her after less than a week.
Didn't John Wayne play Townsend Harris in the movie?
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May 16, 2020 14:01:54 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on May 16, 2020 14:01:54 GMT -8
Yes, Wayne played Harris, and I'm surprised I didn't remember this. Maybe I didn't see enough it to quite recognize him (he would hardly be in his usual movie garb). I don't recall when I saw it on TV, but it was definitely after I had become very familiar with John Wayne from movies such as The Alamo and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. (I was also somewhat familiar, but not as much so, with the Canadian comic Johnny Wayne and his partner Frank Shuster, who used to appear on Ed Sullivan and did an LP of some of their skits.)
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Sept 2, 2022 14:03:20 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Sept 2, 2022 14:03:20 GMT -8
An interesting short video taken in England about 110 years ago. They have colorized it, which is something I don't always like, but one can still see the past. Note how nicely everyone is dressed and that there are no fat people. What happen to the genetics of fat? The closest one comes to being fat is the guy with the pipe at the end. Edwardian England
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Sept 6, 2022 13:23:36 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 6, 2022 13:23:36 GMT -8
Yes, interesting video. Horses mixed with cars mixed with bicycles. An interesting (and slim) era. Nice job by somebody to do that.
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