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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 17, 2020 10:13:04 GMT -8
I'm doing this as one of my patented as-you-watch-it reviews: + It took all of 7 minutes to insert a little girl-power in this. Of course Christian Bale's girlfriend loves the smell of gasoline and oil just like any man. + Matt Damon and Christian Bale. Boring. Couldn't they have found some new faces for this? Still, I'll keep an open mind. + There's a bizarre scene of some Ford executive shutting down the production line and then screaming at the assembly-line workers that they need to produce some ideas to keep up with Chevy. Maybe this happened or not. But it's easier to imagine some executive berating his design team rather than the guys who bolt on the mufflers. Very odd choice. But, again, maybe something like this happened. + Christian Bale plays a character (Ken Miles) who seems over-the-top. Whatever the case may be, the movie so far lacks realism. And someone needs to tell Bale that he is over-acting. + I know I'm only about 15 minutes into this, but so far (other than a brief opening segment) there is bloody little actual excitement in this movie. We're getting the cliche of build-up-to-the-excitement. And that means enduring a bunch of yack yack yack. + I remember the great old car movies such as Le Mans with Steve McQueen. I now see (at least so far) that Ford v. Ferrari is the Marvel Comics movie of racing. I know it will get better. But the early action is not promising. But it's quite a contrast between the juvenile-like Christian Bale and Steve McQueen. + 27 minutes into this, the first interesting thing happens. Lee Iacocca (strange casting with Jon Bernthal) tours a Ferrari factory. + 32 minutes into this, Enzo Ferrari rebuffs an offer by Ford to buy Ferrari. The way this plays out doesn't look real. Instead, it looks like what nose-picking 20-year-old yutes of today imagined how it would play out. Again...who knows? But the movie lacks credibility. It's a cliche so far of bad American movie-making. + Not only does Ferrari not sell out to Ford, they supposedly call their entire executive staff "sons of whores" and have some juicy insults for Henry Ford II. Ferrari instead is sold to Fiat, having apparently used Ford's offer merely to up the price. Henry Ford II gets so pissed off that he decides to build a new race car. Price is no limit. The movie at this point at least finds a pulse. + For a movie about the Ford GT there is apparently little in this movie about the development of it, I'm told. I am told, however, that there is a lot of time spent on the whiny wife of Ken Miles. Of course there is. You can't have a movie that is primarily about the accomplishments of men without inserting a nagging woman. + I've also been told that perhaps Bale isn't over-acting, that Ken Miles really was a bit of an oddball. + I literally turned the sound off for a while and read something on my iPad during the long bitch-screech by the wife of Ken Miles. Horrible scene. + They go to Le Mans but without Ken Miles who is considered a publicity liability. The Fords are fast but all of them eventually break down. All of this is told in the telling, not the showing. They need to make time for Ken Mile's bitch wife to have more scowling time. Henry Ford II isn't pleased by the outcome and comes close to canceling the entire program. Matt Damon tells him there is too much bureaucracy. This is all part of finally what I call a good scene. Henry Ford II has Matt Damon look out the office window. He shows him the plant where something like three out of four bombers were produced in WWII. He basically tells Matt Damon that, bureaucracy and all, they know how to fight a war in Europe and win. And he wants Matt Damon to win this one. However, in new circumstances, he will report to Henry Ford II himself and bypass all the suits. + Jon Bernthal is a horrible cast choice for Lee Iacocca. As my brother said, he looks more like Lee Iacocca’s gardener. + I've shut this off a while to watched the Daytona 500 which was rained out yesterday. But the movie is picking up. The wife off Miles is a clear add-on but the relationship between him and his son is an element that work.
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Post by timothylane on Feb 17, 2020 10:33:48 GMT -8
The only car movie I can recall seeing is Grand Prix, which we saw on some sort of family outing when it came out because the movie we had intended to see -- Khartoum -- had just left the theater. (I'd rather have seen that instead, and in fact still haven't seen it.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 8:19:17 GMT -8
I did finally finish this movie….after having witnessed the horrendous finish to the Daytona 500. No more will I ever watch a NASCAR event. The yutes have turned it into “Days of Thunder.” It’s horrible. These assholes can’t make it two laps around the track without crashing. I hope Newman will be alright.
At the end of the day, Ford v Ferrari is simply not a good story. I don’t mean that it’s not told well in the film. I’m going to assume that the film touches on enough real happenings to make it authentic enough to go by. I mean (if the film is at all accurate) that the basic story offers little appeal:
+ Henry Ford II was hardly a commendable character + His marketing department was run by assholes + Carroll Shelby had a spine of Jell-o + There was no “bad guy” in this. The Ferrari guys, from what I could see, were more commendable than the Ford guys. At one point, Matt Damon resorts to cheating (stealing stuff from Ferrari) in order to try to win. + Even when you have a “winner,” the scare-quotes are needed because you don’t come out of this with a feel-good, triumph-over-all, winner….despite suffering through over 2-1/2 hours of movie that could have easily had 30 minutes cut out of it. + The only reason this movie is happening is because the Ford GT40 is faster. But there is so little about the development of the car. It basically appears out of nowhere, fully-finished except for fine-tuning.
I guess at the end of the day, I can accept Christian Bale as Ken Miles. It works. But Matt Damon plays Matt Damon as he does in many of his films. This can be good or bad depending upon your point of view. But the character has no real life to him.
Josh Lucas is interesting as the creepy Ford public relations executive. The problem with this film is that he seems more of an invented caricature than a real person. Maybe there were people in the Ford executive hierarchy who were just like this. But the way the film treats him, he doesn’t seem real.
The Lee Iacocca character, even if historically accurate, doesn’t have a lot to do. Why he’s even in there is a good question. Why he is played by Jon Bernthal is an even better one. That bit of casting makes no sense.
Racing movies are like shark movies. The basic element is still there. There is yuge photogenic appeal of a loud car screaming across the screen. And you do get some of that. But overall, I can’t imagine ever wanting to watch this film again. I wouldn’t see the point. And I can hardly offer sufficient argument to see it once.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 8:44:57 GMT -8
In reading reviews about this movie, I came across mention of the movie, Rush, which one reviewer says is a better bet for a racing movie. Here is my old review of that from StubbornThings from April of 2014: Movie Review: RushFormula 1 racing has always been a bit of a bloodsport. It is common to say, derogatorily, that people go to NASCAR races for the crashes. And that may be true, in part. The crashes and wrecks are an exiting part of the sport…and mostly a quite harmless part of the sport. The drivers are extremely well-protected inside their reinforced cages. Tragic accidents do happen, such as the death of Dale Earnhardt. But they are rare. But Formula one is an entirely different thing. As this movie points out (which is set in the 1970's), in Formula 1 racing, on average, two of 25 drivers could be counted on every year to be killed in a crash. Those are tough odds. One of the drivers in the film referred to his car as a coffin surrounded by explosive fuel. It's a bit of a crazy sport where even the spectators have been known to be killed by flying tires and other debris. Either because of this or despite this, Formula 1 racing has always been a big draw. This movie captures some of that on-track excitement. But this is not strictly a racing movie, per se. Ron Howard and writer Peter Morgan have crafted a film that tells an interesting story. The racing is the venue, but the focus is on the drivers — two of them in particular, James Hunt (played by Chris "Thor" Hemsworth) and Niki Lauda (played by Daniel Brühl). Even having followed my share of Formula 1 racing, I admit that I didn't know the details of this story so it was all excitingly new. I wasn't sure who lived and who died (if anyone). I wasn't sure who would win the trophy in the end. But what I was surprised by most of all was that someone had crafted a racing movie that actually had a human story that was not just a sideline — filler for in between the racing sequences. In Rush, Hunt (the Brit) and Lauda (the Austrian) start the movie both as upstarts in Formula 3, trying to work their way up to Formula 1. And they are a contrast in styles. Lauda is intense, obnoxious, and lacking any charm. He's all 100% racing all of the time. Hunt, on the other hand, is a highly-skilled playboy…both on and off the track. He is like a running "go for the gusto" beer commercial. He's as competitive as Lauda but is not as single-minded. He loves boozing and women too much…and they love him too. It's a great contrast of characters and this contrast is generally played well. It's somewhat surprising to me that Howard didn't go over-the-top. There's not a lot of schmaltz in this film. And you'll spend the first half of the movie laughing at the bluntness of Lauda and the playboy spirit of Hunt. This is a sexy movie set in a sexy age. There are beautiful broads all over and Hunt is a magnet for them. Lauda, on the other hand, is all business and speaks his mind as bluntly as someone with Tourette's. The natural question is, Do I need to be a racing fan to enjoy this film? The answer is, "Not necessarily, but it wouldn't hurt...and this is sort of 'guy' stuff." But if you like racing films, this is one of the best. And if you like good characters, I would recommend this if only to see the superb performance of Daniel Brühl as Niki Lauda who is a spittin' image of him as well. And Thor is a hunk of fun as well. Fast cars. Sex. Crashes. Competition. Trash talk. Larger-than-life characters. It's all there to make this two-hour movie fly by seemingly at over 210 kph.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 8:50:57 GMT -8
I haven’t seen that in years. And surely when I did, it was on TV. Renting it and watching it in widescreen format on an HDTV may not be as good as a theatre, but it should still be pretty go0d.
And, visually, I find the picture is much better on HDTV than even the best movie theatre. In movie theatres the picture never seems to be in focus. And if they do have a good sound system, it’s usually too loud. And if all that is good, usually the seats are uncomfortable. And even if all that is good, there’s no way to pause the movie to go to the bathroom or rewind something you didn’t understand the first time around.
I’ll rent this in the next few days and do a review. Maybe it’s not as good as I remember it. Maybe better.
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Post by timothylane on Feb 18, 2020 9:49:01 GMT -8
I saw the crash on the news, and it certainly looked awful. The driver is lucky to be alive. It looked like the car then hit another after bouncing off the fencing, though apparently it wasn't enough to make it crash (and perhaps lead to a massive disaster). Racing is a very dangerous sport, but any serious exertion has risks. In the days when there were no helmets, a star player (Cleveland shortstop Ray Chapman) was hit by a pitch so hard that when it bounced off him, the third base charged what he instinctively thought was a bunt, fielded it, and threw to first.
Not surprisingly, Chapman died, and along with it his prospects for the Hall of Fame. For that matter, the pitcher who hit him (Carl Mays) also never made, probably at least partly because of his reputation as a head-hunter even aside from Chapman.
That's the only such death in MLB, but there have been some major injuries as well, often taking out players who might have become greats (e.g., Herb Score, Tony Conigliaro, and Dickie Thon).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 10:27:58 GMT -8
I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. I was trying to find the Le Mans movie and can’t find it available for streaming on anything I have access to.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 13:54:19 GMT -8
The one dill-wad who "won" the race by default put on a show of very bad taste after he "won." Fox had the good sense not to do an interview knowing the seriousness of the crash. And these guys have radios. I’m not buying the excuse of either Joe Gibbs or the dill-wad who won the race that they were unplugged from it all.
I also wonder, in retrospect, if Fox holding the camera on this jerk while he did donuts in the infield wasn’t a soft “eff you.” We do know they didn’t do the interview afterward. I wonder.
I’m not asking for crocodile tears. But a man of class (and it’s obvious to me that this guy is a jerk who is awful full of himself) would have parked his car at a respectful and safe distance to Newman’s car, got out, and attempted to find out how he was.
I generally haven’t watched much NASCAR since the 80’s. My heroes all mostly retired and the corporate cut-out automatons took over. And with all respect to Jeff Gordon in the booth, he’s a prime example of one. Darrell Waltrip did a better job of being outspoken as an analyst. I mean, Jeff is a perfectly nice guy. No points marked down for that. But I longed for a Howard Cosell to make some appropriate comment while this asshole pseudo-winner was spinning donuts in the infield and whooping it up while for all we knew, Ryan Newman was dead or fighting for his life. And we still don’t really know his condition.
I watched it with my brother and he said afterwards he felt like he needed to take a shower. I know how he felt.
And I’m not buying the asshole excuse of the asshole who rammed Newman from behind and caused the wreck. He said he was just trying to push him to victory. Oh, please.
In the old days — and I remember either Richard Petty or some other patriarch mentioning this once — they would take aside a rookie who was making dangerous moves and let him know in no uncertain terms that that’s not they way they do things here. You might have to guess and wonder at how they enforced it. But you can believe they did. That kind of reckless driving was much rarer in those days.
Now it’s a free-for-all. Eff 'em. I'm done.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 14:32:59 GMT -8
Noting that most journalists are Communists and hate things such as NASCAR, this guy doesn't appear to be one of those and seems to have a point: The rise and fall of NASCAR. This writer appears to be a fan of the good-ol-boys such as Junior Johnson and says he was drawn to the sport because of a profile of him in 1960 by Tom Wolfe in a magazine story titled “The Last American Hero.” He's also no fan of the modern marketing automatons: Another good bit: Listen. I was never a fan of Dale Earnhardt. But I think the above is 100% true. I don’t know about attendance figures or missing seat. But apparently they are now unable to finish the Daytona 500 without a melee that makes them all look like rookies. This has apparently happened several years in a row now. As much as the occasional crash is both unavoidable and entertaining, these crashes aren’t the result of being aggressive or even malfunctions. It’s a bunch of corporate kiddies all playing Tom Cruise in “Days of Thunder.” They are adult toddlers who will not be restrained.
The article goes into some other interesting stuff. One of the good ol’ boys was “the king of cheaters,” Smokey Yunick:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 15:12:48 GMT -8
I saw that Iron-Man-like guy linked from Drudge the other day. That's pretty cool. The video I saw showed a lot of hovering at first. But later the guy takes off across the sky..like a rocket. And then he parachuted. That's a nice safety measure.
If this guy isn't in the next James Bond film, I'd be surprised.
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Post by timothylane on Feb 18, 2020 15:16:20 GMT -8
Sharyn McCrumb (some of whose Appalachian books I reviewed for ST) did a small series of books about NASCAR. The first, St. Dale, deals with people on a memorial NASCAR tour after his death. (She also did one about a group of women doing their own car for a NASCAR race, though they had to get a male driver. It was based on a team that she was involved with.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 16:50:57 GMT -8
This belongs next to the Mona Lisa: 1974 Dodge Charger, sold at auction in 2018 for $490.000.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 18, 2020 21:43:02 GMT -8
I found a good HD widescreen copy of Le Mans and watched it tonight. One realizes how poor of a writer one is because it’s difficult to describe in words the difference between this movie and Ford v Ferrari. This is why yelling at the TV can be so therapeutic. It’s the primal scream that can say so much. First off, Le Mans is about the cars. They presented some awesome views of the cars, including just sitting still. In Ford v Ferrari there are zero beauty shots of the cars that I can recall. Okay. Time for a scream: Ford v Ferrari sucks eggs! There’s no other way to put it but that Le Mans is an adult film. And there’s exactly no nudity and no f-bombs in it. And there is not all that much blood either. But just the way the movies starts. It’s taking itself and the viewer seriously. It is as if you are attending the event and slowing finding your way around in it. This isn’t made by goofballs. I think this one comment at IMDB says it all about Ford v Ferrari: Another comment about Ford v Ferrari: In Le Mans, you are there. You feel as if you experienced this great race. The filmmakers do not get in the way of you and the race. Obviously this is part of the subtle art of film-making. Everything on the screen is carefully planned to produce an effect. But in Le Mans, it all works to build the viewer's experience, not to overwhelm it which shtick and cliches. That is the “art” part of it. There is zero artistic merit to Ford v Ferrari. It is a cookie-cutter Hollywood piece of crap. Le Mans immediately grabbed my interesting and I don’t think my jaw dropped until about 55 minutes into it. And it’s by no means non-stop action, which is part of the wonderful artfulness of this film — having both slow and fast paces. We follow McQueen when he’s done with his driving shift when he does such mundane things as have dinner in a cafeteria (with a very hot chick, by the way). You see the maturity in this film in regards to the women as well. I’m not sure if these are all French women, but they are all the voluptuous type like Raquel Welch. True beauty and true eye candy strewn here and there for the viewer. They look like adult women, not overgrown little girls. You might wonder how McQueen can grab you without all the “big acting” as Christian Bale so tiringly does in Ford v Ferrari. That’s the trick, the art, if you will. He doesn’t throttle it up. He lets the cars do that. There’s no need for him to be bouncing off the walls. Instead, he’s cool, calm, collected. He’s a walking, talking adult compared to the dolts who populate the silver screen nowadays. It’s really refreshing to watch a movie with an IQ higher than the ticket price. (And tickets are by no means cheap these days.) Quite besides that, I learned almost zero about the race at Le Mans from Ford v Ferrari but learned all kinds of stuff from Le Mans. And the racing is spectacular. It puts the shitty production of Ford v Ferrari to shame. You really get a feel for what it’s like to drive one of those fast cars.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 19, 2020 8:11:40 GMT -8
You know, that’s a pretty good basic point right there. Get the visuals right. Then think of a piece of tissue paper or clear acetate over which you lay a plot. On top of that is another layer on which you put characters. I doubt that’s the hierarchy they teach in film school. As usual, I’m making it up as I go along. But the point being, if you’re going to make a movie about racing, you’d better nail the visuals of the cars. That’s my same objection (or one of them) to the horribly over-rated Gravity. One of the dumbest scenes of all time is where George Clooney is at the end of a tether that Sandra “Boom Boom” Bullock is holding onto. This is happening in the weightlessness of earth orbit. But they play it like he’s holding on for dear life, fighting slipping into the abyss, and she’s barely able to hold him. But there is no centripetal force here. It’s just a guy on the end of a tether being pulled by nothing. You could real him in easier than you could a salmon. Granted, Le Mans is more of a minimalist film (and God bless them for that in this age of over-stuffed baloney). It’s a case of less-is-more, addition by subtraction. It’s where a look between two rival drivers in a corridor can mean something because the movie isn’t a hyperactive kaleidoscope of bouncing-off-the-walls mayhem in HD. There’s a good scene in this where the widow of a driver who was killed is asking Lightning McQueen why they take such risks. How can racing mean so much? McQueen gives a good answer: I’m particularly in awe about the honesty of the “not a 1000-in-one shot…it’s a blood sport” comment.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 19, 2020 9:13:38 GMT -8
I can rent 1966’s Grand Prix with James Garner and Eva “Boom” Marie “Boom” Saint for $2.99 at Apple TV. VUDU has it as well. I might do that. If so, I will report back as usual. That wonderful lady (I hope she’s a wonderful lady) is still with us.
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Post by timothylane on Feb 19, 2020 10:09:16 GMT -8
I don't recall that particular scene. I do recall him discussing the races with Garner, and the fact that he was losing (at the time) to a seriously injured driver. (I was rooting for him, I think.) Indeed, Garner ultimately wins because his competitor is pulled out after another driver is killed in a crash. (In essence, the movie begins and ends with crashes, both of which are important plot elements. Only one is fatal.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 19, 2020 10:24:07 GMT -8
He has not entered the picture yet. But I’m sure he will soon. Ferrari just turned down Garner for another stint driving their cars after being washed out of his prior team for reckless driving that caused a serious accident that put his teammate in the hospital.
So far, I find the reviews spot-on that mention that the soap opera stuff in between racing sequences is a little dull. I did not find that the case at all in Le Mans.
Also, despite the exquisite backdrop of Monte Carlo, I thought the filming of race scenes was superior in Le Mans. In Grand Prix, there are too many dizzying quick-cuts. Just when you’re starting to get a feel for what the racing or the racecourse are like, you cut to another view. From inside the car, to helicopter view, to three-quarter view, to sidelines view, etc.
In Le Mans, there were (for a movie) extended cuts of viewing the race, especially from inside the car looking out. It gave you a thrilling idea of what the driver was actually viewing. Instead, Grand Prix presents itself (so far) more like a video game.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 19, 2020 10:47:53 GMT -8
“Will you give me a lift back to the hotel?” said the spider to the fly. It would appear that James Garner is going to have an affair with the wife of the man he put into the hospital. Jessica Walter is quite a nice dish.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 19, 2020 10:49:06 GMT -8
And I do like the relationship and dialogue between Sarti (the French driver) and Boom-Boom. Imagine that. A Frenchman in a film who is likable.
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Post by timothylane on Feb 19, 2020 12:41:48 GMT -8
Incidentally, I've wondered if Jean-Pierre Sarti was intended as some sort of reference to Jean-Paul Sartre. Maybe the similarity of names is just coincidence. Sarti's girlfriend is a definite contrast with his wife, which will become relevant at the end. But I suspect you're going to find out that your suspicions about Garner are quite correct very soon. I definitely understand the point that Grand Prix is, in essence, a soap opera set against a racing tournament. I was a kid at the time and undoubtedly (as I said earlier) would have preferred Khartoum.
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