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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 12:46:57 GMT -8
Brad, this is what is happening in Washington, if one believes the news media.
And this is how the authorities will be forced to handle things.
For the greater good, don't ya know.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 13:14:43 GMT -8
News from the grocery front.
The local Tom Thumb brought out its remaining store inventory of chicken this morning and it was gone before early afternoon.
They put the balance inventory of liquid soap on shelves and it was gone within about an hour.
All bread is gone, but they didn't have any new inventory so this is not surprising. Sunday night is a normal restocking period.
The store has advd everyone that until further notice, it will be open from 7:00am to 10:00pm. Previous to this, it was open 24hrs a day.
The store was very busy today, but there doesn't appear to be any other shortages of inventory. People are still going out.
Consumers will be happy to know that the management is stressing and re-stressing cleaning. They are even happy to have employees come in before opening and spend an hour thoroughly cleaning their areas.
Given the information I have gathered over the last few days, I suspect many restaurants are really taking a hit. Since I don't go to fast-food restaurants, it is hard for me to confirm, but I think they must be getting hurt pretty badly.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 13:55:32 GMT -8
This media-encouraged hysteria is what happens when agenda-driven people choose to point out absolute worst-case scenarios as inevitable.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 15, 2020 15:04:54 GMT -8
Given the information I have gathered over the last few days, I suspect many restaurants are really taking a hit. Since I don't go to fast-food restaurants, it is hard for me to confirm, but I think they must be getting hurt pretty badly. Wife and I were in hot Springs over the weekend, there were several people staying at the hotel only because they could not cancel reservations.b We watched a few races but watching on TV is not the same as being there. Wife bet on one race, internet Pera-mutual, and won $1.80. I did not bet at all, so my winnings were immense. Gambler's prayer, " Dear Lord let me win this bet, I sure need to get even" We had breakfast with the "folks"at Waffle House, it was crowded and no one seemed to care the world was ending. Today we had breakfast at IHOP. It seems the people at IHOP corporate are in full panic mode. The usual things you expect to see on the table, syrup, napkins, salt, pepper were gone, you had to request them from the server, who brought individual servings. Will we all be issued stage 3 hazmat suits in the near future? Prediction, if it hasn't happened already. QSRs Quick service restaurants will close dining rooms and only operate through drive-thru. It is possible some full service restaurants will only operate through delivery services, grub hub etc. Senior homes will restrict inmates, er patients to their rooms and offer free extra doses of sleeping pills.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 15:08:45 GMT -8
LOL! Amazing how the truth can be so funny.
Perhaps I am overly careful, but I have not had to change my lifestyle at all on account of the Wuhan flu.
I have to admit that for years now, I do not pick up salt and pepper shakers and other such containers at restaurants. In IHOP I have always been particularly careful with the syrups because in addition to being germ breeders, they are messy/sticky and germs are harder to get rid of then.
I do not touch public door handles with my fingers. I use a tissue or slide my sleeve over my hand to open doors. Failing either of those, I use an elbow or wrist which can be inconvenient.
I have carried disinfectant wipes with me for a couple of decades when I travel. I wipe arm rests, fold down tables, seat belts and headrests on airlines. I never open an airline door handle or faucet. I do not use airline pillows or blankets. I have my own which I take with me. Perhaps I am obsessive, but I dealt with disinfectants as a sideline and learned a lot about how germs are spread. The thought Ignaz Simmelweiss was also crazy, but he was right.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 15:16:26 GMT -8
I would like to know how many perfectly (or nearly so) alright adults have swamped the Italian system so that the few who really needed care were not able to get it. I'd like some real investigative reporting here. I wonder what the real story is. I suspect anyone with a runny nose or soar throat is checking into the hospital and overwhelming the system.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 15:18:55 GMT -8
LOL Outbreak is a really awful movie. But it fits the situation. I expect libtards to be walking the streets in their white space suits while normal people, who are going about their business, look at them strangely. Even the homeless might laugh at them. Yellow suits. Sorry. It's what every bubble boy will be wearing this Christmas. I'm sure it will come in pink as well.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 15:19:41 GMT -8
I would not bet against your supposition.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 15:29:39 GMT -8
A certain amount of common-sense hygiene makes sense, Mr. Kung. But here’s the real issue: People today are slobs. I’ll bet in the 1950s you could be sure that most people who went to the bathroom while patronizing a reasonably fancy restaurant would wash their hands before touching the doorknob and returning to their tables. Nowadays, sensible people are aware that people have become self-centered beasties in America. They can't be bothered to think of the other person even while they maintain various delusions of "saving the planet" or whatever.
I never really understood at first glance those pictures of Japanese commuters with surgical masks on their face. What I know now is that they were using uncommon courtesy. The expectation was that they should take measures not to spread their germs if they had a cold or something. Nowadays we know these basic civilizing courtesies are all but absent in America. To enter a public space these days is to enter a biological laboratory. It probably hasn’t been this way since the middle ages when sewage was just dumped into the streets or gutter. This all synchronizes very will with the attitudes toward “the homeless” in California. I wonder if at some point the “pet rule” will pertain even to them (as opposed to their libtard enablers and masters). I don’t believe that pets should be allowed into indoor public spaces unless they are guide dogs for the truly handicapped. But it’s getting to the point (especially with the way people pamper their pets) that the dogs are probably more hygienic than most of the people.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 15:34:26 GMT -8
Oh my gosh that's funny. Thanks for the report from the front lines, Artler.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 16:18:00 GMT -8
Be glad there are any bars or restaurants to go to. Many places have ordered them closed except for delivery and drive-through orders.
At my nursing home, there are no group activities and meals are served in individual rooms, but patients can go about if they choose. This is irrelevant to me, but my roommate does it. What he does or can do, I have no idea. Nor do they know how long this will last.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 15, 2020 16:30:57 GMT -8
The one thing about this kind of hysteria is that it tends to burn out quickly. Unless there is an empiric demonstration of real causation then another 2 - 3 weeks and there will be some embarrassing returns to what we laughingly call normal.
It like a wildfire in the forest. You can spray it with water and retardant, but it will burn until there is nothing left to burn, or there is a massive rain. You can bet that the media will be running around with flamethrowers calling it the end of civilization and its all Donald Trump's fault.
Surrender common sense, all who enter here.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 16:49:42 GMT -8
A sign of why this insanity spreads.
Too many in this country have become totally dependent on the government to do everything for them but wipe their bottoms. I suppose that will be next.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 15, 2020 16:59:49 GMT -8
The spread of this disease can be linked to countries that use toilet paper and those who don't, TP is a luxury item is many third world countries and the Mid East. Countries that eat from a common food bowl. Moslems do not eat with their left hand, that hand is reserved for wiping in place of toilet paper. My guess is that is at least part of the reason for the high number in Iran. Needless to say a food preparer who uses his left hand to wipe is not very likely to be fastidious in washing.
This is also why cutting the right hand from a thief is a drastic punishment. No one will eat with him and a woman has to feed him, total humiliation for a Moslem.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 17:10:11 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 17:31:13 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 17:42:51 GMT -8
When I first visited Indonesia in1980, it was common for toilet stalls to have old 20-25 liter vegetable oil cans cut in half sitting on the floor next to the toilet. Each was full of water. As a result, the floors were always wet from left-handed cleaning. I avoided public toilets like the plague. (Couldn't help that last bit.)
When I lived in Japan in 1979 and later in 1984-85, it was normal for toilets in office buildings and other public places not to have paper to dry one's hands after washing. Everyone carried small packets of tissue paper for that, and other purposes.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 18:29:31 GMT -8
At the nursing home, they use washcloths to clean the schiff off. I haven't used a bathroom in over 2 years.
In Greece, we had sea sponges for cleaning, basically using them as we would have used modern plastic sponges. I suppose they would work for the purpose, though the plastic ones are smaller and handier. I recall Holmes making use of a sponge in "The Man With the Twisted Lip", and that was probably a sea sponge. That certainly is the image that formed in my mind from reading that scene. I seem to recall that Greeks in the Tampa area were once noted for sponge-fishing.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 15, 2020 19:08:57 GMT -8
The Romans used a sponge on a stick that was rinsed in running water. Rome had an extensive system of sewers in the 1st century and that slowed the growth of disease like Typhus. Other diseases were not well understood but the average Roman was probably healthier than any other of the time.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 20:54:45 GMT -8
Typhus is spread by lice, not diarrhea, and I think it showed up later than Roman times. You're probably thinking of typhoid fever. Just ask Mary Mallon about it.
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