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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 21:58:49 GMT -8
What a sharp group at The Jerusalem Post:
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 22:00:31 GMT -8
I believe it was on Thursday, that Tucker Carlson had a former head of the NIH (I believe) who said that it was possible that 150 million people in America could catch this. He basically covered his ass by saying that nobody can exactly say how things will unfold.
This ass should be thrown into New Rochelle, New York and left to rot. Or better yet, send him to Iran where they really have the thing under control.
Of course the prick worked for Obama. The left is the most immoral group in the world. I would rather have dealings with Bernie Madoff.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 22:04:40 GMT -8
One can hope.
Immediately, I read the article I thought, "Given the close relationship, I hope they will supply the USA with this vaccine right after they supply Israel."
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 22:05:57 GMT -8
Aside from the hoarding behavior, I haven’t run into anyone who is in the least freaked out by this. Not that I’ve talked to many people. But most seem to think that this is obviously being hyped up. I don’t think most see this as the bubonic plague.
However, if it was the bubonic plague (a new type, with no vaccine), then this kind of freaking out would be appropriate. In that case, it would be as Woody said to Buzz:
Buzz: This is no time to panic. Woody: This is a perfect time to panic!
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 22:08:24 GMT -8
Let’s hope that company is as close as that article says. And it seems they have a general method that will facilitate creating new vaccines for yet unknown viruses. As you said, lots and lots of money to be made. You might even say yuge amounts.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 22:11:48 GMT -8
Tom Thumb had plenty of customers, but that is not unusual for a Saturday evening. I didn't see anyone hording paper products, because they were already sold. But someone did ask for them and apparently, a new shipment will be coming in tomorrow night.
I also don't speak to many people, but those I have spoken to think the whole thing is something of a fraud by the media. They agree one should be aware of one's situation, but not to freak out.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 22:25:37 GMT -8
Another panic driven death announcement.
A 70 year-old vet dies and it is national news. These media bastards need to be quarantined. Then the idiot of a governor should also be herded into an ICU and left there fore her smarmy, stupid and dishonest statement that "The loss of one life to this disease is too many." WTF? Next she will say something like, she would have sacrificed herself in his stead if she could have.
I believe, on average, something like 7-7,500 people die each day in the USA. The number for the world is about 155,000.
The news could devote about 5 minutes to each death in America on basis of a 24 hour news cycle. If they wanted to do the same for all deaths in the world they could only dedicate about 1.8 seconds to each. I am being absurd to illustrate the absurdity of the way the media is handling this.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 6:22:41 GMT -8
There are a lot of interesting items here to respond to. First, I see KFZ has indeed corrected his link (I had expected that he would). I remember enough of my high-school biology to almost understand what they're talking about. I wonder if that 90 days includes the necessary testing. Even Trump may not be able to force the FDA to approve a new medicine without extensive testing. The purpose of such testing is not only to get effective medicines, but also to prevent disasters like thalidomide. (The deformed thalidomide babies were an almost entirely European problem because it was never approved here. It's actually a perfectly useful and safe drug for anyone other than a pregnant woman. Elizabeth once told a thalidomide joke.)
The problem is that a lot of useful and even necessary drugs are kept unavailable because of this. Everything good comes at a price.
The contrast between Palestinians and Israelis is all too apt. When the US invaded Somalia to rescue it from its warlords (necessary but futile), the Somalis noted that, "We love death more than you love life." (Funny, Illmind Omar the Jihadette is a Somali. But that attitude is common among Muslims of many, perhaps all, nationalities.) That attitude reminds me of a scene from The Bride of Frankenstein in which the Monster notes that Dr. Frankenstein made him from parts of the bodies of the dead and adds, "Hate living. Love dead."
The advantage the left has in controlling the synoptic media comes both from their ability to emphasize what they want to emphasize, and omitting what they want to omit. The latter may be the most powerful quality (e.g., ignoring the corruption of the Biden family that his positions in government has enabled), but the former can be deadly. They can decide which murders are ballyhooed and which are ignored. (How many people even here are aware of the mass shooting in a New Orleans park a few years back? A pair of black gangs shot it out -- and never mind the bystanders between them. It received almost no coverage because it didn't suit the Demagogue agenda.)
I noticed that during the Second Gulf War, the Louisville Curious Journal kept a daily count of deaths there, because every death matters. Oddly enough, they kept no such count in Afghanistan, a war they supported at the time. Also oddly enough, the daily count disappeared when the Black God ascended to the throne.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 6:33:10 GMT -8
A good comment at NRO:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 6:59:12 GMT -8
Love this comment over ar RedState:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 7:29:42 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 7:33:03 GMT -8
But...but...people are dying. The question isn't the orthodoxy of the drug validation process (which is reportedly way too long and picky). It's whether present circumstances justify cutting through the red tape.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 7:50:41 GMT -8
Speaking of Red State, they had an article looking at the 48 Americans (25 of them from a single Washington nursing home and 12 others from Washington) who have died from the Wuhan flu. Interestingly, there's a suspicion that heavy smoking makes it worse, which apparently is one problem in China and perhaps also in Europe. The link is:
In addition, another article reported that George Conway (who seems to be having marital problems) and other TDSers are complaining that Trump's doctor is a DO rather an MD. Then people informed the TDS ignoramuses that a Doctor of Osteopathy undergoes the same sort of education and qualification testing that an MD does, and Trump's has extensive experience.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 7:53:52 GMT -8
Makes sense that being a smoker wouldn't be good for a virus that sets in the lungs.
This was a pithy comment:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2020 7:58:20 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 9:03:42 GMT -8
This is related to our discussions at ST or between Brad and myself about the historically held view that cities are sinks of iniquity and immorality. Cities bring on anonymity and weakened contact between persons. For any number of reasons, facts and truth will be swept aside and mobs, which are much easier to influence than a small group in intelligent discussion, will decide what is right and what is wrong. Cities are full of noise, most of it a cacophony.
Cities have a constant influx and outflow of inhabitants, thus the strength of community is weakened. This is important. Neighborhoods used to act in a way to build little communities, but with today's constant movement, even neighborhoods do not have the same binding abilities that they previously did.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 15, 2020 9:11:55 GMT -8
It is odd that so many places have closed down. One can understand why crowded churches (and some are) don't want to encourage the disease spreading among their worshippers. But this is the sort of time when people need religion, and I have to wonder if they ever actually shut down during flu season. There might not be any attending, but the priests would be no worse off than Father MacKenzie in "Eleanor Rigby", and he still kept holding services even when no one attended.
Elizabeth's former church, St. Matthews Baptist, provided copies of the sermons (and perhaps more of the service than that). No doubt they still do. But this is something churches could do: hold their usual services for those willing and able to attend, and make copies for the rest.
So far, there have been over 1400 deaths from Wuhan flu in Italy (which has about a sixth of our population, I think). In America, we now have "nearly 3000" cases, or about twice as many, and over 50 deaths. Spain, with a much smaller population than Italy, has had around 280 deaths. And that doesn't mention France, Germany, and other European countries.
Perhaps these heroic measures, virtually shutting everything down, are needed to prevent this from getting as bad as it is in Europe, much less as bad as the Spanish flu. (Unlike the Wuhan flu, which really did start in Wuhan, the Spanish flu didn't start in Spain. We call it that for the same reason that syphilis was once called "the French disease" in England and "the Neapolitan disease" in France.)
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 9:17:01 GMT -8
This has been known from almost the beginning in China. I read somewhere that smoking over a long period of time, somehow changes the chemistry in the lungs and in doing so changes the receptors to which a virus might attach itself. Therefore, smokers' lungs seem to very susceptible to the Wuhan flu.
I was also looking into the basic science of COPD and it is only logical that a lower respiratory disease which attacks the lungs would be much more dangerous for people with COPD. These people already have a progressive disease which reduces lung function and weakens that function which remains. I can imagine that those who have died of this Wuhan flu have slowly suffocated or drown or that they had major organ failure once the lung function dropped low enough. Being no doctor, I am not sure how much COPD would damage the rest of one's organs, overtime.
It is pretty clear that the most important thing that should be done in this case is to try and counter-quarantine older people with serious pre-existing conditions. Children should not go around them for some time. And if anyone feels ill, they should not visit such people.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 9:55:25 GMT -8
For many years, from about 1970 to about 2006-7, my main doctor in the USA was a DO. From 1970 to early 1977 he was the only doctor I used, and then I moved overseas. I would visit him whenever I was back in Dallas. Then when I moved back in 2000, he was our doctor until he retired at about 90 years of age.
He told me that in the late 1950s/early 1960s four MDs in north Dallas had complained about his practice and him not having an MD. One of those who complained had been my childhood doctor.
Doc got so tired of the complaints that he challenged the other MDs to take the latest Medical Board Tests. I believe all agreed to do this and in the end, he scored higher than they did. They shut up after that.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 15, 2020 12:40:16 GMT -8
We are seeing a good example of what socialized medicine looks like.
Everything about the left is rotten.
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