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Apr 22, 2020 9:30:54 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 22, 2020 9:30:54 GMT -8
That’s interesting, Mr. Flu. I wonder if this series notes this in the latter episodes.
Yes. Definitely.
I think we see from the attempted impeachment of Trump that this is true. I think they played their part.
That’s a very good point. It’s disturbing to see Federal agencies become so militarized. We can assume (and it is an assumption) that a very us-vs-them (aka “the American citizen”) is ingrained in these academies. That, and the desire to play soldier, probably drives a lot of these dangerous clowns.
Yes, we need to pursue corruption in the bureaucracy. But mostly I think the cure is a matter of pulling the weeds, of cutting these agencies down to size. Given that we’ve shut down the economy of the country for a flu virus, I don’t see this risk-averse, chick-oriented society ever cutting down on law enforcement.
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Apr 22, 2020 9:48:58 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 22, 2020 9:48:58 GMT -8
I was living in Singapore when this whole fiasco took place. I remember watching the final assault on the compound during some news broadcast. I could not believe what I was seeing. I distinctly recall the tank with that long steel-arm extension ramming it through the front of the building. The Feds were determined to get rid of everyone inside.
I still think Janet Reno and Bill Clinton should have been indicted for murder.
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Apr 22, 2020 9:51:59 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 22, 2020 9:51:59 GMT -8
Rolling Stone has long been a rag not worth the paper it’s printed on. But I found this article that asks an interesting question: — This article mentioned the 2016 documentary, Holy Hell, written about the West Hollywood cult, Buddhafield (never heard of it). A couple problems regarding any such debunking. These are often produced by (as with this one) someone who fell out with, or got out, of a cult. Disillusionment is not a bad thing in regards to cults. And you’d think they’d have a good perspective, and I think they often do. But I don’t think the fish ever really see the water they were swimming in. For example, how many of these enlightened debunkers are willing to call the Environmental movement or Progressivism a cult? I think in regards to mind and emotion control, they both fit. And the Democrat Party, for the most part, is the governing structure (with The New York Times, as Dennis Prager says, their holy texts). So, anyway, what is and is not a “cult” is a big subject. We know from our present experience that if you reject the dominant cult (Progressivism) you are considered a kook…or very well a member of some weird anti-government cult of wackos. To the point is the author, who quoted Adam Szetela, “Throughout history and across the world, pockets of people have organized because their desires were not accessible through dominant cultural, economic and social models.” That’s what we are doing here. I know of no other internet site I would ever want to be a part of. Normalcy and truth, by and large, are not accessible through the dominant culture other than by creating a pocket. Your thoughts?
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Apr 22, 2020 9:57:53 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 22, 2020 9:57:53 GMT -8
Absolutely. And Reno was the perfect example of a woman who should have stayed home and had babies instead of foisting her psychosis on the rest of us.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 22, 2020 12:35:05 GMT -8
We're a cult! Or maybe just the world's most exclusive club.
I admit, I do not belong to or communicate with any other internet site. As to Facebook and such, I have never been on the thing, don't know how to tweet and have no desire to do so. I think I may have texted somebody once, but I am not 100% sure.
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Apr 22, 2020 13:33:59 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 22, 2020 13:33:59 GMT -8
You are so lucky, Mr. Flu, never to have fallen into the Facebook quagmire. Or maybe it was just your large dose of wisdom that kept you out.
Another grand and wild thought about cults: Without mentioning any names, I think one thing that makes maintaining an emotional, fuzzy-wuzzy, can’t-we-all-just-get-along cult is the human need for drama.
Yes, I know that if you put any group of people together, human nature, in myriad forms, will arise to try to upset things. Monks and nuns, by and large, do very well at maintaining their Orders despite the human element. Perhaps they are the most practiced at it and could likely give out the best advice on this matter. (Note to self: No wonder the Trappists and Cistercians — who honor monastic silence — have been around so long.)
The human element will always rear its ugly head. In fact, that one article from the flaky magazine, Rolling Stone, noted that it was often because there was no strong leader that cults dissolved or destroyed themselves. Without someone to tamp down the inevitable, this seems logical.
But beyond that (or simply an often overlooked part of human nature) lies something else. I do see, from personal experience (again, naming no names), that drama and social conflict is the spice in the cake even as it may be the fly in the ointment. People often feel most alive when they are banging on their drums rather than strumming their harps. You’ll note this is one thing I cautioned about at StubbornThings. We cannot stew in a sense of dissatisfaction.
It’s easy to suppose that conflict or drama arises from people venting regarding their own internal or chronic grievances or frustrations accumulated along the way. And I assume this is often the case. But I would gander that much more often the case is that people just love the drama of conflict. It's produced ex nihilo.
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Apr 22, 2020 13:38:34 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Apr 22, 2020 13:38:34 GMT -8
Personally, I stay with the Marx philosophy, Gracho not Karl. I don't want to be a part of any group that wants me in it.
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Apr 22, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Apr 22, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -8
One suggestion that I've seen for the difference between a cult and a religion is that in a religion, most adherents are raised in the religion (as I was raised Episcopalian and Elizabeth was raised Southern Baptist, which is actually the religion my father and mother were brought up in). By that definition, eventually even Scientologists may become a religion.
This was possible even for the Shakers, who didn't believe in sex. (As my sociology teacher noted after mentioning this, they eventually died out.) I think they adopted children.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 22, 2020 14:48:54 GMT -8
In the early days of Facebook, I had someone explain it to me in detail, showing me all the different things that people could do with it. I didn't quite understand everything he tried to explain, perhaps because the thing was so foreign to my way of thinking. My response was basically two-fold, 1)Why would anyone want to have so much personal information out their? 2) If you really want to stay in touch with someone, why don't you go see them or pick up the phone and talk?
Since then I have given the thing little thought. It made little sense to me then, it makes less now.
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Apr 23, 2020 7:09:15 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 23, 2020 7:09:15 GMT -8
Plank in one’s own eye, and all that. I’m not the most sociable person. That said, I’m sociable enough to put down my phone and either be silent or have a conversation with the person I’m sitting at lunch with.
We all see people (mostly kids, but not always kids) in a different time zone as they immerse themselves in their phones while sitting in a restaurant with the family. Can one actually argue that this stuff is “social” media? I don’t. And I think Mr. Flu Manchu gets to the heart of it
What it is is something different. It’s a type of self-involvement, not socializing. So I don’t recommend social media for anyone.
My first experience in anything of the sort was probably 20 years ago. I was testing out a chatting app. Whether it was AOL’s instant messenger or not, I don’t remember. But I was talking to a girl from South Carolina. I’d met her (this is not a euphemism) at a harmless gaming site.
I wish I had a transcript of that first conversation. It was, “Hello, how are you?” “Fine, how are you doing?” And maybe that went back and forth a couple times — certainly the novelty of a chat app was interesting. But then an odd thing happened…she would not go away. She would not shut up.
I’d be working away maybe 30 minutes later and up would pop “How are you doing?” Again, maybe it would take four or five short exchanges for her to go away. I had work to do. And there’s only so many times you can give a weather report.
Now, had we been talking about the plot of Othello, I supposed there would be some reason for some ongoing back-and-forth. But it was all just super-superficial “chat.” And I knew immediately that “chat” was not for me. I’m pretty sure I deleted that app that very day.
These “social media” apps facilitate triviality and mindless utterances. Sure, Facebook might dress this up a bit. And anyone can justify it with the familiar idea, “It’s a way for grandma to keep in touch with her grandchildren.” Maybe. But I think it inherently tilts toward superficiality.
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Apr 23, 2020 7:30:15 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 23, 2020 7:30:15 GMT -8
If you want a gruesome double-feature, Amazon Prime Video has an “Amazon Original” about Ted Bundy: Ted Bundy Falling for a KillerDespite Bundy having connections on the Left Coast, I didn’t follow this story at the time any more than the later O.J. story. Most of the details were new to me. This is a bit of a feminist presentation. It’s comprised mainly of interviews from women. But out of the blue they’d interview this female cop who was connected to the case and you’d get a long rambling account on how things were stacked against women. But because Bundy beat up, raped, mutilated, and killed a lot of women, this is an appropriate place for a little man-hating. The odd part is that you see this whole thing through the eyes of women. They keep bemoaning the fact that women are the nurturers, they’re kind, they just want to help people, and Ted Bundy preyed on this. The unstated conclusion from some of these man-hating feminists seems to be that women should be cold, distant, and self-centered if they want to make it in the world. And who can say that many have not succeeded at this? How else could you get women (the natural nurturers) to be strident for killing their unborn? Also, you (at least I) get the impression that there would be no justice in the world if women ran the world. Not once in this series did anyone use the word, “evil,” to describe Ted Bundy. Most just referred to him as having some kind of illness. And when it came time for the death penalty, despite what Bundy had done to so many women, nearly all of them interviewed in this said they were against the death penalty. But there was one stout woman who was a friend of one of the women who was murdered. She also may have escaped him. Several did, and there were so many women in this, I tended to forget who was who. But she was very much relieved that Ted Bundy had been executed. One of the women there had the lame line of, “It’s just another mother losing a son.” But the woman sitting next to her in the interview was honest enough to admit that her husband would have cut his balls off if he could have got his hands on him. At the end of the day, the series is information-filled but shallow. We learn nothing about what might have turned Bundy into a monster. It can be no coincidence that Bundy’s hunting ground tended to be college campus. Is that not where you will find the most gullible women? Anyone can be conned by an honest-looking face into a dangerous situation. But there was no talk in this series (despite the man-hating, which I admit is justified in this case) of the problem of women not being on guard. Even today, women are told that they have every right to walk down a dark alley in the most provocative clothes. And indeed they do. But is that a smart thing to do? I was left with the general impression that had more women been taught to be more careful and use common sense, Bundy would not have found it so easy to prey on them. But it is indeed a terrible tragedy that he was able to in such perverse abundance.
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Apr 23, 2020 8:07:01 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 23, 2020 8:07:01 GMT -8
I think you have hit it. Social media gives people who have little to say a huge forum in which to say it.
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Apr 23, 2020 8:44:48 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Apr 23, 2020 8:44:48 GMT -8
Despite Bundy's West Coast connections (actually, his first murder may have been in Vermont, where a girl was murdered around the same time that he may have discovered his illegitimate birth there), it's easy to understand why you wouldn't recall him. His name didn't really come up until after he left there (he was first jailed in Utah, and was awaiting trial in Aspen when he escaped -- twice, the second time leading to his Florida crimes), though Ann Rule (who knew him from a suicide hot line they both worked at) did submit his name when it came out that the killer in the double event called himself Ted.
Still, when a Florida newspaper's reporter at the state capital discussed the Tallahassee explosion (two dead, three severely injured) with her mother (who lived in the Seattle area), the mother suggested that the killer might be Bundy. And as is so often the case, mother was right.
It's too bad they couldn't ask Rule about Bundy. After all, she wrote perhaps the first book about him -- she got the contract to write about the murders without realizing that she knew the killer. I wonder if Elizabeth Kendall is the woman who married Bundy at his Florida trial.
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Apr 23, 2020 9:02:45 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 23, 2020 9:02:45 GMT -8
I don't think they interviewed Ann Rule. He face is not familiar. Her book might make for an interesting read. But I don't want to delve any further into that muck. Will we ever know more than the plain truth that evil exists?
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