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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 23, 2020 17:50:32 GMT -8
You can find this book here at Amazon. I don’t know if I’ll end up liking this novel by Walter M. Miller Jr., but it’s interesting so far even though even 18% into the book, not a lot has happened. In a post-apocalyptic world, the novice, Brother Francis, is in the midst of Lenten fast when events overcome him. And to say any more would be a spoiler. Miller’s writing style could be described as circumspect but not plodding. Many writers (and perhaps he does ultimately fail) attempt to set a mood by describing the small things, the fine-grained thoughts, the everyday happenings. Most bore me to tears. But so far Miller is pulling it off. He’s surely setting the stage for more to come. And I suspect this story could go anywhere, much like an Arthur C. Clarke story which might first place you in a small backward village but then end up in the stars on a vast spacecraft. This certainly has a general Clarke-ish tint to the story so far. I hope it continues. One reason I have trouble in reading Asimov is that I don’t find his descriptions of places to be authentic. Here, Miller is painting a world that I can fully believe in. But it’s early. I have no idea where this is going. But I do want to follow it further.
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Post by artraveler on Jul 23, 2020 19:49:41 GMT -8
Miller does an excellent job of weaving religion, regular science fiction and a 1000 year narrative. I hope you enjoy it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 24, 2020 7:28:54 GMT -8
Yes, I can see some of the weavework already. I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller was a Catholic or ex-Catholic. He is extraordinary (from my point of view, which is hardly intimate) at getting into that monastic mindset without turning the characters into stereotypes. So far, anyway.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 25, 2020 9:07:24 GMT -8
The abbot was musing about what was bothering him — something in the back of his mind that he couldn't place. I thought this was a nice bit and certainly relevant to our times:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 8:03:14 GMT -8
I’m 61% into A Canticle for Leibowitz. So far so good. Although the story itself is fairly straightforward without a parade of sudden twists and turns, the author is good at creating characters instead of caricatures.
This is technically a sci-fi novel but you could certainly call it a historical fiction — set in the future. It’s kinda-sorta retelling the story that has become the stereotype for our own Dark Ages — with a nuclear holocaust thrown in rather than just the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West.
This one abbey was founded to preserve whatever knowledge they could find from before the apocalypse. And they do a good job of it. It’s a Catholic Order, the church having survived in “New Rome” even if the old Rome is in ashes. I’m at the stage now where there are scholars who have arisen who are attempting to make sense of this old knowledge.
This is all at the moment (and we do sweep across time a bit) in the context of one particular leader who wants to “unite” (read: conquer) the entire continent of North America. So we have many conflicting plans-with-plans by several separate parties with the monastery at the fulcrum — both because of its store of knowledge and its strategic location as a fort. It’s obvious the one scholar in question who has been invited to the abbey to see their archives likely has some ulterior motives himself. Best guess: He wants to find a weapon to exact revenge on his uncle, the leader who is attempting to take over the continent.
But who knows where this will go? But the writing is competent and mostly free of the kind of silly and tiresome bloviating and caricatures that makes much sci-fi writing painful to read.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 9:18:29 GMT -8
Here's another quote from the book that has me thinking of today's technocrats:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 10:49:34 GMT -8
Here the abbot is lecturing a visiting scholar. And this abbot is a very wise abbot. He sees exactly who the scholar is and what motivates him. We see that in the pin-headed scholars of today who believe there was no wisdom or truth before they graced us with their presence:
Anyone who reads this book will love the second abbot.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 15:57:05 GMT -8
Another passage relevant to our times — especially when you see congregations of Christians adopting the faith of the Therapeutic State. This is from the third abbot bemoaning the real threat of a another nuclear war:
The next one holds to the Kungian Rule about comforts, rather than being satisfying to people, instilling even a larger sense of dissatisfaction. I forget just which ordinal rule this is or what the proper title is. Perhaps Mr. Kung will inform us.
Miller obviously has an eye for secular idiots. Here the abbot is talking to one of his monks after having had a rather heated conversation with a sort of “doctors without borders” NGO nitwit.
Man, did this author know his subject.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 26, 2020 16:16:03 GMT -8
He predicted the future as well and as surely as Jean Raspail and Allen Drury.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 16:19:14 GMT -8
First published in 1959, it does seem that Walter M. Miller Jr. had a pretty good all-around view of the cultural forces in play.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 26, 2020 18:54:30 GMT -8
I will give you a couple of related thoughts.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 20:57:21 GMT -8
Good related thoughts, Mr. Flu. I finished this book and indeed it is another… One Amazon reviewer titles his 4-star review, “A Bleak Exploration of Humanity.” I don’t disagree. Another reviewer writes “This had me from page one. It is beautifully written and each key character intimately drawn.” Ditto. One reviewer writes: I’d never heard of this novel or this writer before. Starting in the late fifties (at least), it became “cool” to be a materialist/atheist, to worship at the altar of “reason,” and to turn your nose up at anything remotely “superstitious.” That Miller explores a whole lot of issues in telling this relatively simple story is interesting and he does so in a mold that is not the one that so many lazy and stupid sci-fi writers adopted then and later. That he was not reflexively anti-Christian in this book is probably why I’d never heard of this. I’m guessing it wasn’t a big hit at the time. Or maybe it was? Miller wrote (or compiled) a book with Martin H. Greenberg. One reviewer says of it: I don’t find A Canticle for Leibowitz to be anti-war, but it certainly is a bleak view of mankind, and deservedly so. But nothing in this book is off the scales. This is not a compendium of crude stereotypes. It’s surprising to read an evenhanded sci-fi book that takes on this subject and writes at a human scale. This guy is blessedly free of grandiosity in his writing. It is a shame that his own life was apparently tragic. But you don’t have to have clinical depression to suppose that there could be one or more nuclear exchanges that “fundamentally transform” the world. Mr. Miller should be alive today to write a story about viruses doing the same, although we’re getting that story for free. I find it somewhat beside the point to review the contents of the book. Just read it. More interesting in regards to book reviews is the somewhat uniqueness of it. I had long given up on sci-fi because it had all become so dull and politically correct. And once again this proves my point: To find sci-fi worth reading, you have to turn back the clock at least to the early 70’s if not earlier. If Brother Francis’ world could be ruined by intellectual pointy-heads and power-hungry politicians, so too can literature (as so many of the other arts) be ruined by not just political correctness but the artlessness that comes from people living meaningless lives. This is the kind of book I want to read because it means something. You can get something out of this. It’s something to think about. It’s not just pablum. You’re not just another termite chewing through the pages of a book just to fill the time.
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Post by artraveler on Jul 27, 2020 6:49:56 GMT -8
I am glad you enjoyed it.
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