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Sept 14, 2020 8:26:40 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 14, 2020 8:26:40 GMT -8
I read an article recently about the Netflix show, Cuties. It’s outraged some people because it shows a team of 11 year old girls twerking. It’s a testament to feminists, and those who have long wished to abandon any sort of modesty for girls, that this show didn’t shock me. But there was a movie beyond the twerking, and one with themes that border on the politically incorrect. For instance, the main black girl, Amy, comes from an Islamic family who lives in France. I don’t think the word “Islam” is ever used but it’s obvious they are Muslims. Conflict comes to the family from the absent father who is in Tunis (or somewhere like that) and has taken another bride. The mother is crushed but decides to swallow her pride and accept this. The long and the short of it is that you’re not seeing a whitewashed view of Islam by any means. Its creepiness and oppression of women are the backdrop for why young Amy would want to ditch the burqa and twerk instead. Much of the film then lapses into something that otherwise could (minus the twerking) be standard Disney fare. A bunch of young girls in a clique giggle and fight and all around act like horrible little girls. They hope to win a dance competition. Etc. Etc. It’s quite obvious from the beginning that feminism trumps Islam in this one, which is sort of politically incorrect depending upon how you stack the chits. But then these girls are so wild and irresponsible that the “you go girl” feminism that they are obviously portraying is shown to be self-evidently self-destructive. Amy eventually blows up her life and this ends with her returning to the Islamic fold, more or less. The end. So that’s the essence of the movie. You actually have a core of a good movie here, a sort of “coming of age” thing for a young girl who definitely would rather dance and have fun that be a slave to a scumbag Islamic man. But thrown in with an almost psychedelic compulsion is the twerking. It takes such center stage, it’s impossible for this film to achieve appropriate meaning or depth. But we’ve seen this before. You can imagine some sincere (for them) filmmakers behind the scenes trying to write something meaningful. But they can’t ditch their sort of scumbag perspective and thus while trying to bake a cake, they throw hot-sauce in it and ruin the pastry. That’s how this movie feels. Yes, having a group of 11-year-olds twerk is obnoxious, at the very least. But the movie is a victim of it own inability to do anything but move around the dominos of Bad & Stupid Things, trading one for the other, and never really coming to much of a conclusion about anything. This is what you’d expect from filmmakers with a flimsy moral foundation to begin with.
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Sept 14, 2020 9:13:29 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Sept 14, 2020 9:13:29 GMT -8
I can simplify the explanation, it is made in France.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 14, 2020 11:59:55 GMT -8
LOL. So true. And when you watch a movie such as this, you get a glimpse into French culture.
Reading the reviews at IMDB.com, my first thought is “the lady doth protest too much.”
The widespread popular culture that regular promotes abortion, transgender madness, drug use, and now violent protestors, has a big tsk-tsk for 11-year-old girls who are basically competing for “likes” on Facebook.
Didn’t any of them notice Hanna Montana turning herself into a kiddie visual-prostitute on stage a couple of years back? These, not Clara Barton, are the heroes of today.
So when girls (even in a movie) copy what is widely accepted, why the sudden outrage?
Granted, all those IMDB reviewers could be Christian conservatives, but I highly doubt it. You voted for this muck (like they did in Portland and Seattle). But when it hits your doorstep you’re “shocked, shocked” that children are taking up after their visual-prostitute teen idols?
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Sept 14, 2020 12:24:33 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Sept 14, 2020 12:24:33 GMT -8
Remember, the movie at least nominally criticizes what it's taking great advantage of. Perhaps the complainers are libertinists annoyed at that degree of criticism of hypersexualized children.
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Sept 14, 2020 12:33:52 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 14, 2020 12:33:52 GMT -8
That’s the Black Box that is difficult to see into. If you were doing a movie that was critical of twerking, it might look like this. If you were doing a movie that was trying to mainstream twerking, it might look like this.
This is where your Objective and All-Knowing Movie Reviewer has a distinct advantage. As much as I might disagree with children idolizing the various visual-prostitutes in pop culture, I don’t deny that these visual-prostitutes are all the rage. So what are kids supposed to do, pretend that they don’t see this stuff? How are they to resist the pull of the “Like” culture of Facebook and other anti-social media when the adults themselves can’t do it?
Have you SEEN how mothers are dressing their daughters? Again, although this film being from France probably answers all questions as to intent, a little exposé on the sexualization of children is probably a good thing. I think what pains a lot of these self-righteous reviewers at IMDB is that they wish do deny their involvement in this cultural cesspool. They’re “shocked, shocked” that young girls are being sexualized.
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Sept 14, 2020 12:40:25 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Sept 14, 2020 12:40:25 GMT -8
At least as far as dressing little girls goes, this came up as an issue in the JonBenet Ramsey case.
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Sept 14, 2020 12:56:01 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Sept 14, 2020 12:56:01 GMT -8
Have you SEEN how mothers are dressing their daughters A few years ago there was a round of tv reality shows featuring young girls and they're mothers as they participated in fashion shows and beauty pageants. The stage mothering was the worst part as it unintentually featured the mothers who were frustrated in their own lives as they vicarisaly exploited their own daughters. The children, being children, did their best to please the mothers. I wonder how many of the girls, who are now in the late teens to early 20s are living normal lives. These shows and the sexualized culture that makes them popular give permission for movies like cuties. There is a place in culture for prostitution but training preteen girls to participate is not the place, and mothers who are facilitating it are despicable.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 14, 2020 13:20:32 GMT -8
Artler, I don’t think there’s any easy formula to walk back from where we are now. “Sexual exhibitionism” has been equated with “women’s freedom.” “Coyness” is equated with “male oppression.” You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that all limits should be revoked and then stand aghast when the results of this libertinism play out. Female hyper-sexualism is de facto necessary because the reverse is considered to falling into old male-dominated and created gender roles.
So they keep pushing boundaries with no end in sight. I’m not at all shocked by the content of this movie. One should be no more shocked then if one walks into the ocean and gets wet. I applaud the makers of Cuties for showing the reality of what young kids either are exposed to or are prompted to emulate — even if it’s the stupid French doing it via unintended consequences. Mothers: If you hate this sort of thing on Netflix, stop dressing your children like little Hookers. I have a friend who works at Walmart who quips “The new hooker collection is in” when talking about kids’ clothing. We all know what’s going on but are “shocked, shocked” when we see it playing out. If Mr. and Mrs. America Useful Idiot keep voting for the party that dances with queers, transgenders, pedophiles, etc., then what do you expect? The mainstreaming of homosexuality is the thin end of the wedge. Upon this agenda is heaped everything else, including necrophilia (which one might defend as a victimless crime in that case). It has now been thoroughly proven as far as I’m concerned: You can’t trash traditional marriage and male-female roles and differences and replace it with the glorification of homosexuality (and all the other perversions) without falling off the cliff. That is to say, you have painted yourself in a corner. By embracing perversion as wonderful, you leave no room to say no to anything else. And so this plays out. We are seeing a little experiment playing out in our country. Will people remain in a bubble of ignorance about who the Left and Democrats are or will they be shocked out of their daydream?
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Post by artraveler on Sept 14, 2020 13:43:25 GMT -8
There will be pushback and I fear it will be brutal. For over 50 years the left has promoted and legislated this kind of morality with little complaint from Joe Dokes, Sally Soaks, and all the folks. For the most part, they have just hunkered down attempting to protect their kids and immediate friends and family. The remark about the hooker collection at Wal-mart is spot on. The pushback, when/if it comes will test civil liberties. It may create a condition where those of us who take civil liberties seriously are tested. "Abandon all hope, you who enter here"
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Sept 15, 2020 7:22:44 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 15, 2020 7:22:44 GMT -8
I regularly talk to a gun-totin’ friend in Oregon. He’s aghast at what’s going on there. The idiots causing mayhem he can understand. He wasn’t born yesterday. It’s the authorities aiding and abetting them that has him perplexed and furious.
I told him, “Jim, I don’t mean you in particular. But people need to figure out that the ‘tolerant, lovey-dovey Democrats’ are anything but that. Theirs is a noxious ideology that goes back to Lenin.”
We’d have these mini conversations in years past. And although he was never an intentional outspoken apologist for the Left, he had a little bit of “useful idiot” going on because he would tend to parrot the stereotypes of conservatives and Republicans as served up by the Left.
In years past I would have supposed that these riots and the lunatic rhetoric coming from Democrat leaders would cause a tipping point. “Aha! Now I get it. These guys are not only liars they are lunatics.” But for many, theirs is a marriage to this rotten ideology that defies all reason.
Wasn’t that something that Master Yoda said to Luke?
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Sept 15, 2020 7:49:19 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Sept 15, 2020 7:49:19 GMT -8
Abandon all hope, you who enter here Dante, Infernal at the entrance to hell.
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Sept 15, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 15, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -8
Netflix is +19.73 at the moment. The tech stocks had a good day.
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Sept 15, 2020 12:46:23 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 15, 2020 12:46:23 GMT -8
Having watched a lot of foreign films, I’m not ready to call this soft-porn — unless a trip to the typical mall (remember those?) could be called engaging in voyeuristic soft porn.
I don’t applaud the film. I don’t condemn it. I watch the movie for its story (good at times) and cultural content (nothing at all surprising in this, at least to me). Have you seen the queers and freaks marching in those parades in San Francisco? Next to that, watching 11-year-old girls dance together (even if they are trying to copy Hanna Montana) is relatively mild by comparison.
I’m all for boycotting Netflix, if only for the stupid Obama stuff on it. I don’t pay for it. I leech off my brother’s account. There’s no way I would give these freaks and flakes one dime of my money.
This is what Progressivism looks like. Is anyone surprised or shocked? Still, when I watch how girls of that general age (or era) act, it’s all the same. Is it really appropriate, for example, to wear an almost bush-revealing miniskirt to your grandmother’s funeral? The girl (my niece) was 16 or 17. If I had a photo I’d show it although I might be breaking some soft porn laws out there. I'm an uncle but I couldn't help but look.
So when 11-year-olds are twerking, it has zero shock value for me. Many girls act and dress like sluts and have a potty mouth. And the only reason they do is because guys do that. And they simply MUST be the equal of guys in all things.
And very few guys are going to object to women (of any age) acting slutty. That’s just the way it is. And with relatively few fathers in the home (and even if), there is no one there to tell the mother that dressing your daughter like a hooker might not be a good idea.
And so we have “Cuties.” But it merely puts to film what is happening all over the place.
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Sept 15, 2020 13:06:58 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Sept 15, 2020 13:06:58 GMT -8
I did not watch it, but my impression is all of the girls are either Black or Moslem. I have no objection to porn. I considerate it an individual adult choice. It is up to the parents to control what comes into the home and their children lives. That said making sex symbols of adolescent girls is anathema and offense to morality. The parents that allow this kind of crap are the real criminals. There is no difference between this and the "beauty pageants" for the same age group.
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Sept 15, 2020 15:21:33 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 15, 2020 15:21:33 GMT -8
I’m sort of in Observer Mode, Mr. Kung. I’m not a part of this culture. I could stamp my feet and get mad about it. But if mothers and fathers don’t mind that their children act and look like little hookers, I’m not in a position to do much. And doing some “tsk-tsk” virtue signaling is not my style.
I look at the parents (and the people doing this stuff) as I would monkeys in the zoo. And likewise, you want to be sure to keep some distance lest they throw excrement at you.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 16, 2020 7:34:17 GMT -8
Here’s a review of Cuties that makes some good points: Netflix's 'Cuties' isn't scandalous — it's honestBut then whatever points this chick makes are thrown away with a truly stupid conclusion: So even “girl power” isn’t girl power. It’s always at the behest of men. Well, I’ve got an idea for you. If you’re so concerned about not being the plaything of men, how about getting up on stage and reading poetry instead of shaking your ass in people's faces?
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Post by artraveler on Sept 16, 2020 8:36:24 GMT -8
As much as this is despicable show and the point is relevant. There are millions of young women and their parents who do not engage in this kind of perversion. But after Leave it to Beaver there is little of normal culture in the media. TV is filled with insignificant people who are willing to display their innermost faults for $$$$. I find most of them sad and lonely people. Most of the media, including the news shows have been turned into the intellectual equal of the Gong Show, including Fox
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Sept 16, 2020 9:47:26 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 16, 2020 9:47:26 GMT -8
So true. The problem is that it is popular culture, not parents, who have the most influence on kids. Or adults.
It was funny to read that article. The chick actually made some coherent points. Agree or disagree, her line of reasoning was reasonable. And then you hit that lame-ass ending of “Chicks wiggle their asses in people’s faces because they’re conforming to the diktats of men.”
And this after all the propaganda about how pole dancers are just “sex workers,” empowered women using their girl-power to support their family or pay for college. But suddenly we realize that even when they are doing their own thing, they can never, ever escape Men Power.
The moral to this story: Leftism scrambles people’s brains. The need to portray oneself as a victim (which I suspect is the force behind her lame and dishonest conclusion) trumps facts. And as Dennis Prager often notes, truth is not a leftwing value. Boy, does it show. Or, girl, does it show.
Popular culture is not just obscene (which one could handle if that’s all there was to it). It’s bat-shit crazy. It turns people (who seem to need very little prompting) into feeble-minded creeps and political hacks.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 18, 2020 7:35:36 GMT -8
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Post by timothylane on Sept 18, 2020 7:54:31 GMT -8
I think Spencer himself has been denounced by Muslims for telling the truth about (e.g.) Mohammed having a child bride. Their complaint was that he portrayed it negatively. Perhaps Cuties did the same thing, especially with the husband abusing at least one of his wives. Or maybe CAIR is just unhappy that a popular movie exposed (part of) the seamy underside of Islam, the religion of Submission.
But things like this routinely happen with Muslims. Even mentioning pigs (much less pork) or dogs at school can sometimes be problematic.
Of course, we agree with CAIR, more or less, about the child porn aspect. This happens. Several years, when some Brits portrayed Jesus very negatively (I forget the details, sadly), there were no complaints from any local Christians. But a Muslim group objected because Jesus is their penultimate major prophet.
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