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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 9, 2021 12:33:51 GMT -8
Why not a general topic of something like “Detective Novels”? Good point.
I think Scotland Yard is influential and unique in terms of detective novels, including Sherlock Holmes, although Scotland Yard doesn’t often come off so well in the Conan Doyle novels. They are usually used as a foil.
Right now I’m reading Charles Todd’s “Racing the Devil,” another in the series set in, or just past, WWI featuring Inspector Ian Rutledge of Scotland Yard. And in these novels, Scotland Yard is front-and-center and mainly shown as a competent set of people.
The Todd novels are more about Rutledge and his cases than about deeply penetrating the modes, methods, and thought processes of Scotland Yard. But you do get some of that, if only by osmosis.
And although it’s normal and right to associate Scotland Yard with London, most of these novels involve cases in the countryside.
This particular novel, “Racing the Devil,” is set up well (so far...I’m about 12% into it). Again, as with many of the novels, you are nicely immersed in a particular English place — this time at Birling Gap near Beachy Head. Both are just west of Eastbourne on the English coast.
One assumes that Birling Gap on the south coast would have been heavily fortified during WWII. But this is post-WWI we are dealing with. The area had a semi-boom during the war (producing wool for uniforms) but has now reverted to literally crumbling remnants as the chalk cliff slowly recedes, sometimes in fits and starts if there is a major storm.
The rector has been found dead, thrown from his car (presumably) having (presumably) turned, in the dead of night, accidentally down the treacherous road that leads down the gap. But there are some suspicious circumstances, etc. etc.
And in this one we learn at least one of the reasons that Scotland Yard gets called in — the locals don’t want the job of asking what will inevitably be some uncomfortable questions about the Rector as well the owner of the car he was driving (the local Squire). If there are more fine-grained rules other than being called in by the local authorities, I can’t say I’ve garnered that from reading several of these novels. But Rutledge has been assigned the case, and he is off and running. So far, so good.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 9, 2021 13:17:03 GMT -8
Scotland Yard is based in London, but they can operate anywhere. You see this in many Sherlock Holmes stories, where a Scotland Yarder is involved outside the London area (including the last two novels). I once read a Reader's Digest article on such cases, at least some of which were out in the country. This also applied to forensic pathologists located in London who could be sent anywhere. (I read biographical or autobiographical accounts of British forensic pathologists Sir Bernard Spilsbury, Sir Sydney Smith, and Sir Keith Simpson as well as Simpson's secretary Molly Lefebure, as well as some sort of guide by Sir Francis Camps. Tom Tullett did a book on Scotland Yard murder investigations.)
Another mystery writer personally familiar with legal work was Joe L. Hensley of Madison, Indiana. He became a long-time judge. He used to do murder games for charity, which some of us took part in for a while. (The last one we attended, our team had Grant McCormick and me. It was short for several reasons, and the other 2 members were the wives of Hensley and local prosecutor Guy Townsend. They knew what the answer was, and weren't going to give us extra help. This was very frustrating when I guessed the key clue but lacked the knowledge of which character it naturally pointed to -- chalk from the hands of a gymnast.) He was also a science fiction writer, which is how I first encountered him. Probably the majority of his mysteries involved series character Don Robak in a college town named Bington, probably a mix of Madison and Bloomington.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 9, 2021 17:34:59 GMT -8
I think that’s possible (in terms of being able to move specific posts to a specific thread with my Admin powers). It would just take time and the will to do it. I don’t know. Let me create a “Detective Novels” category and see if I can move your above post to it. If it disappears (or is deleted), you’ll know what happened.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 17, 2021 19:18:11 GMT -8
I finished Racing The Devil, an Ian Rutledge story set in and around Birling Gap, west of Eastbourne. All in all, an okay Ian Rutledge novel. I thought it was unnecessarily strung out by about a third. And although the conclusion makes sense when all the facts were in, it wasn’t a particularly satisfying conclusion. It came too much out of nowhere. But at the very least, it was a nice tour around southern England, including The Seven Sisters chalk cliffs. One thing I like about the Ian Rutledge novels is the realism. And I think that’s where this one suffers. The premise is forced. The body count become such that it strains credibility. A central character isn’t forthcoming with vital information even though there is no reason for him to withhold it. A child, Gem, is a huge McGuffin thrown into this who otherwise might have been a charming character. But they try to do too much with her. It’s thus a bit of a patchwork effort. And as with other Rutledge novels, the writers run out of anything new to say so you basically get a plot that sort of repeats itself. If one man can be run down by an auto, why not another? And another? And another? The best part of this novel is setting you in the time and place, as well as coming along for the ride with the steady Ian Rutledge of Scotland Yard. An Amazon reviewer catches this aspect nicely: There are one or two other interesting characters (the Rector’s loyal housekeeper, for one) that add a touch of charm and realism. But such characters tend to be few and far between. I didn’t generally find the characters “rich” but instead they seemed more like convenient placeholders,
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2021 10:39:44 GMT -8
There’s a series on Amazon called DCI Banks. From some of the reviews at IMDB, I got the impression that it wasn’t for me. However, many recommended the books by Peter Robinson. So I found Robinson’s Careless Love via my Libby app. It wasn’t three pages until I found my self skimming. It was dreadfully dull stuff. And given that you want to put your best foot forward at the start of a novel, this did not bode well. The problem was it was nothing but scattershot dialogue between several people about some car accident or something. But it was painfully dull to read. So I thought, why not another Ian Rutledge novel? So I found The Black Ascot on my Libby app. Whatever shortcomings Charles Todd has (and there are plenty), it doesn’t generally include the ability to write a story that is relatable and generally interesting. This one starts off slam-bang with Rutledge returning back to London, but taking the long way home because he’s in no hurry to get back. While driving through a small village, he encounters a man who desperately flags him down and explains about a hostage situation in progress just up the road at the church. Rutledge drives to it and overhears a constable on the lawn yelling at someone on the roof who is holding a gun on a woman. Rutledge sneaks in the back way and up the steps aiming to talk directly to whoever this fellow is. Wham-bam. You’ve got a story. And then another story proceeds from this (in a way that is interesting, and I won’t spoil it for you). This novel didn’t start with several cops chattering back-and-forth. And although I may have thrown out many novelistic babies with my bathwater of impatience, you have to develop some filtering techniques if you want to get to the good stuff. It could certainly be that (some of) the Peter Robinson DCI Banks books are good if you stick with them. And I am generally patient in terms of plot. Plots take time to unfold. But writing style I seize on immediately as to whether or not I’ll stay with a book. And Careless Love just didn’t have it. But if you jump right into The Black Ascot, I’ll guarantee that you’ll be intrigued.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 19, 2021 11:03:37 GMT -8
Your impression is correct. This series was on PBS several years back. Suffice it to say that Banks is a complete wimp. He acts like a fifteen-year-old boy, mopey, depressed, surly and boring.
DCI Banks is not worth the time it takes to turn on the TV.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2021 11:34:31 GMT -8
"Wimp" was a word used in more than one of the IMDB reviews. Again, whatever shortcomings there are in the Ian Rutledge books, Rutledge is the exact opposite of a wimp.
Having gone through WWI, he's fearless regarding even some of the extreme momentary hazards of his job. It's unclear if this non-gun-toting detective is somewhat typical of Scotland Yard at the time. Would a typical inspector have the balls to confront a man with a shotgun so nonchalantly? Certainly you get the idea that a man who has tried to commit suicide once has nothing to lose.
Even so, it doesn't seem to be in his character to be a wimp. But at the same time, he's not a bomb-thrower. He's very calmly a backbone of steel. You get quite a glimpse into Ian Rutledge's character just from the one incident of the man on the roof. Like most men of that age, this man on the roof has connections with the war and the scars it has left. One knows from reading several of these books that Rutledge, of all men, is willing to cut some slack for these men.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 1, 2021 8:53:30 GMT -8
The Black Ascot turned out to be one of the better Inspector Ian Rutledge of Scotland Yard novels by Charles Todd. I still think the plots of these books (typical of the genre) are needlessly convoluted. The resolving of the mystery is by no means particularly satisfying. And I would say that for every 100 pages written that about only 75 are needed. That is, what could have been a gripping long novella or short novel is needlessly padded into something that waters down those parts of the book that are good. And, again for one of these books, the title of the book (The Black Ascot) describes an event (some kind of cross-county tour/race) that only marginally intersects on the story — a thin excuse to have one. But someone (maybe more than one) is murdered, and Ian Rutledge is charged with taking a look at an old, unresolved case. The book starts very well (as described in an earlier post) and generally is interesting throughout, mostly (but not entirely) avoiding the quicksand of plot extensions and needless iterations of the same idea over and over again, presumably just to increase the page count. There is, more or less, an arc to the story that makes sense although much of the plot still has that air of being unnatural and a bit tacked-on. Such is the genre, of course. One Amazon reviewer said it best: Nothing really busts through this story to announce itself as “stupid” until one event over halfway into the novel. (Spoiler alert, but it will make almost zero difference in enjoying the novel, which is a statement of the stupidity of the plot element.) Having knocked on a lot of doors and upset a whole bunch of people, someone knocks on Ian Rutledge’s door. Rutledge opens the door. Blam. Lights out. He’s shot. Fair enough, I suppose, although it seems strange at the time that Rutledge is so incautious. Be that as it may, that’s only a small blip compared to the mountain of stupidity that follows. Whoever shot him wasn’t a good shot. The bullet grazes Rutledge’s head, but still does knock him unconscious and he requires a brief hospital stay. But the automatic assumption by everyone, including Rutledge (who can’t remember what happened), is that he tried to commit suicide — on his front doorstep, in broad daylight. No one takes note of this. No one takes note that Rutledge had been traveling around the south of England asking all kinds of uncomfortable questions (regarding an unsolved murder, no less) and stirring up a bit of trouble. No one asks whether or not Rutledge might have compelled the murderer to try to cover his tracks by taking out the inspector. No, everyone automatically assumes Rutledge tried to off himself even though he was giving no signs before then of anything but a steady Scotland Yard detective. Still, that’s about all the criticism. If I read an average detective novel out there, I could write a hundred pages on the faults of such books that might begin to approach the length of the books themselves. The main draw of these Todd novels is Ian Rutledge and the time period he is in. But the excuse to have a story is often thin. The characters are often equally thin. The plot itself a bit dashed out. But what the hell, it’s better than 90% of the crap out there.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 1, 2021 22:48:09 GMT -8
I believe this has become a major defect of many modern writers. I can recall when a couple of hundred pages would suffice. Today, it seems that four hundred pages are a bare minimum. I suppose it somehow has to do with profit and loss.
Nevertheless, I may look into the Inspector after I finish the two books you sent me. One is a history of the USA, which is basically a textbook. And the other is the second edition of the major battles in history.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 2, 2021 10:08:06 GMT -8
Hopefully my caveats are ironclad so that when you read these, you'll not encounter any surprises.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 2, 2021 10:20:16 GMT -8
I just checked my library website and see that Charles Todd and his inspector are very popular. The library has 49 entries for his books, including hardback, electronic and voice books. I had never heard of the man until you mentioned him.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 2, 2021 11:09:18 GMT -8
There's also a series they've done about a nurse. Given how thin I thought Michael Connelly's novels were when he tried to affirmative-action a female into a lead role (one was passable...because Bosch was central to it), I don't have high hope for these nurse books. But you never know.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 2, 2021 12:31:13 GMT -8
I’m going to be starting another Rutledge novel. This one is Search the Dark. I’m reading these all out of order (skipping ones that are low-rated on Amazon). And it really doesn’t make any difference for appreciating the character.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 4, 2021 8:49:50 GMT -8
It’s funny. Search in the Dark was a complete bust. It represented the worst excesses of the authors. Within twenty pages I felt the urge to start skipping. And soon after I actually began to skip (looking for the story to move forward). But it was just composed of the endless nothingness of Inspector Rutledge turning over in his mind what could have happened.
This kind of speculation is excessive even in the better novels. And, sure, one could suppose on general principals that the novel could get better, and so stick with it. But these Charles Todd novels have always tended the other way, starting out well enough and then bogging down. And bogging down precisely because the authors couldn’t be bothered to move the story along and instead involved the reader in the dull exercise of Rutledge endlessly turning over in his mind what might have happened — instead of following the inspector as he goes out in the world and tries to found out what actually did happen.
These books will never be mistaken for art. But some of them are decent enough time-wasters. But when you come across such parched artlessness, it makes you realize that sometimes the authors are just churning out words to meet a quota. Nothing more. I would have been really pissed if I had paid for it. But I got it from the online library as usual. Steer clear of this one.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 5, 2021 7:27:30 GMT -8
Last night I finished Watchers of Time, #5 in the Ian Rutledge series. It’s strange to write a review which is basically “Don’t waste your time on this, but I liked the general ambience of the main character.” The plotting, once again, is fairly amateurish. And there is no fine satisfaction upon the conclusion of the murder mystery (a Catholic priest is bludgeoned to death). In fact, this one doesn’t really have an ending proper. But I couldn’t find anything else to read and this is better than most. High praise indeed.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 18, 2024 11:18:47 GMT -8
Not having found much worth reading, I've returned to an Ian Rutledge novel: A Lonely Death. I'm going to try to bite the bullet and slog my way through this. So far it's okay.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 18, 2024 12:54:45 GMT -8
While looking through Free Kindle books last night, I came across Agatha Christie's A Caribbean Mystery. For the last couple of weeks, I have only been reading the Old Testament and some scholarly books on ancient religions of the Middle East, so I decided I needed a break.
I can confirm that I made the right decision.
Miss Marple is vacationing on the Caribbean island St. Honore' due to her nephew's generosity. She has a bungalow at a small beach hotel run by an English couple. Among her co-guests are various South Americans, North Americans and retired Englishmen.
The story opens with Miss Marple knitting and sunning herself while being subjected to the stories of a retired English Major Palgrave. Major Pagrave's type is very familiar to Miss Marple who has met numerous ex-colonial administrators and military men. She politely lets the Major drone on, not quite paying attention to what he is saying. Then he starts talking about a murder he had heard of and begins to pull a picture out of his pocket, which is purportedly of the murderer he was alluding to.
While going through his wallet, the Major looks up and behind Miss Marple then suddenly changes the subject and puts his wallet away. Miss Marple looks behind her right shoulder and sees Mr. Rafiel, an ancient millionaire in a wheel chair, his personal attendant Jackson and the millionaire's secretary Ester Walters in one group. Furthermore, two couples, Greg and Lucky Dyson and Edward and Evelyn Hillingdon, walk up and greet Miss Marple and the Major at that moment. The owners of the hotel, Tim and Molly Kendal are off to the left attending to business.
Miss Marple soon returns to her bungalow and gets on with her day. That evening, there is a steel band entertaining the guests during supper and a dance afterwards. During the night, it is clear that Major Palgrave is imbibing more that is good for him.
The next morning the guests are greeted with the news that Major Palgrave had died of an apparent heart attack during the night. No one is much surprised by this news as the Major was an old man with a florid complexion who had high blood pressure. He is checked by local medicos and a death certificate is quickly issued. His burial takes place within three days.
Over this period of time, Miss Marple becomes suspicious of the circumstances of the Major's death and starts doing what she does, i.e. nosing around, asking questions, appearing to be a silly old woman who is a "dear old thing" as the Brits call batty old people.
The rest of the book deals with how Miss Marple goes about determining if the Major died of natural causes and if not, who killed him. Of course, the answer to the first question is NO. As to the answer to the second question, you will have to read the book.
I am not a big fan of a fair amount of what I have read by Agatha Christie, but I was very pleasantly surprised at the quality of this short novel. The plot is plausible and interesting. The characters are believable and there is no Deux ex Machina which comes to the rescue of an unbelievable tale. I noted only one sentence in the whole book which was something of a tricky/dishonest misdirection and it was not that important.
One can read the book in under four hours so it should be just the thing for those who don't like tomes along the lines of "War and Peace."
Here is a list of the most popular Miss Marple/s. I agree with the no. 1 choice. I don't think Margaret Rutherford should be no. 2 although she was in the first Miss Marple movie I ever saw, sometime in the 1960s. I would put her at no. 4 or no. 5. She was too boisterous for the character in the book, but her interpretation was still worth watching. Nos. 3 and 4 should be nos. 2 and 3 to my way of thinking.
I just read the blurb on Rutherford and it seems Agatha Christie agreed with me.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 18, 2024 18:11:27 GMT -8
That plot rings a bell. I wonder if that was made into a live action in the series with Joan Hickson?
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 18, 2024 18:27:07 GMT -8
I checked and Hickson played Miss Marple in the 1989 TV movie "A Caribbean Mystery." I wonder if I can find this series being streamed for free?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 18, 2024 20:01:29 GMT -8
You can get the Joan Hickson series on Britbox. They offer a 7-day free trial. "A Caribbean Mystery" is season 3, episode 2.
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