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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 8, 2022 13:46:40 GMT -8
Conrad Black having his say:
I have been thinking about this subject for some months now. As they always do, when they think they are about to win, the left overplayed their hands insanely. For this we must be thankful. It has finally opened the eyes of the majority of people as to the perfidy of those in power. I am not sure the same eyes will remain open once the crooks have lost power. As Churchill lamented, people never learn from history.
My gut inclination is to go scorched earth on the people in question. The enormity of the crimes they have committed warrants such a response.
But I have also considered Black's point about the damage such a policy might do to the country. Would it be worth it? While I could agree that the national interest requires that comprehensive vengeance yield to the necessity for a more civilized political atmosphere, I don't believe that we will be able to return to a more "civilized" political atmosphere in any case. I believe we are in a position similar to that when Lincoln spoke to the Illinois Republican Convention in 1858. I will substitute a few words which I believe will make our present situation clear.
Therefore, I disagree with Black's suggestion and believe the tyrannical left, and their minions, must be rooted out mercilessly. We are not in the equivalent of 1858, we are in equivalent of the years 1862-3. We are not talking about a better "political atmosphere" being at stake. We are talking about our political future's survival. We must root out and punish activity which has taken place using the institutions of government for criminal endeavors. Those who initiated and instructed this activity must be held to account, less such activities continue. Severe penalties will make for good examples for those who might wish to engage in such future criminality.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 8, 2022 15:20:37 GMT -8
Seemingly not. The most outstanding point is that probably only our enemies are able to think strategically. But the average American voter is an idiot. They don't remember what happens every time they vote a Democrat into office, especially the presidency. Our electorate resembles the type of woman who drifts from abusive relationship to abusive relationship.
I thought Black was uncommonly wise in his comments on this. Let's face it: If we could simply export every culpable party to a nice, cozy colony on Mars, the inhabitants who remained in America (the population having been reduced by one third) would quickly be making the same mistakes. It seems to be in our genes. Take a hundred solid conservative men and a David French and/or AOC will arise who will use their version of morality as a power-wedge against whatever prevailing orders exists at the time. Graffiti artists, for all intents and purposes, who simply must besmirch simply because they can.
Lincoln's words are complete apropos as you have written.
Agreed. Which goes to the point of who I think is one of the most cynical and destructive (or at least useless) assholes of our time: Donald "Lock her up" Trump. Still waiting for the prosecutions, Donny.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 8, 2022 17:51:04 GMT -8
Black is a very thoughtful man. I find his comments very apt and can understand his call for moderation. Perhaps I sound more strident than I am. I figure the job could be done with indictments of fewer than 200 people, maybe fewer than 100. But these indictments need to be criminal indictments, both for the fraud perpetrated by the security apparatus and the medical clique'.
Some of these cases are already in formation. I understand a good number of law suits are being prepared against those responsible people. These suits will likely be mainly civil suits, but once some of these suits are successful, I believe some criminal suits will arise from them.
I understand that humanity repeats the same old mistakes. Yet, I also know that some appropriately harsh treatment of criminals gets the attention of people and may make a future criminal think just a little bit longer before committing his crime. Fools say that the death penalty doesn't stop murder. Of course it does, those executed are not able to kill others after they meet their maker. Nobody said the death penalty would stop all murders.
One thing I would like to know as regards Trump is just how much did he know and understand about Fauci's background, and why were Fauci and Birx given such broad powers? I understand nobody could have avoided the political problem with the KFF, but how much worse did he and Pence make it.
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Post by artraveler on Feb 8, 2022 18:27:12 GMT -8
One thing I would like to know as regards Trump is just how much did he know and understand about Fauci's background, and why were Fauci and Birx given such broad powers? I understand nobody could have avoided the political problem with the KFF, but how much worse did he and Pence make it. Very good questions I would add that why in the name of all that's holy did he not fire these two when he surely saw that they were not capable of doing the job? The short term political problem of their firing would be solved by bringing in people who could do the job. Could it be that Trump was taken in by their supposed academic/science competency? It seems unusual for a president that is known for his turnover in staff as a private citizen and as president. He needs to satisfy that question before I support him again. Although, if he gets the nod there is no way I will vote for a democrat. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 8, 2022 19:06:01 GMT -8
In Canada, the truckers are fighting for their basic freedoms while the Medical Police State calls them racist thugs. My god, look at the state of things. Tens of thousands, not hundreds, could be rightly prosecuted.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 8, 2022 19:08:33 GMT -8
By my reckoning, it took Trump 2-1/2 years to get into the game, to even have an inkling of what was going on. His campaign started with Bruce Jenner using the lady's room in Trump Tower and ended with giving Rush the Medal of Freedom. But Trump was over his head throughout his presidency. The problem was he had no ideological grounding for dealing with what was being thrown at him.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 8, 2022 19:37:54 GMT -8
I don't disagree, but that will never happen. It is beyond our legal system's capabilities. I believe the indictment and conviction of a few hundred people would send a very salutary message around the country and satisfy justice as well. This should be aimed at not only some of the higher officials involved, but some of those further down the line like, policemen who gave and followed illegal orders.
Of course, people like Fauci, Birx, Collins, the bureaucrats in the FDA who banned the use of Ivermection, hydroxychloroquine and other therapeutics as well as those federal officials forcing unlawful vaccines on everyone would be at the top of my list. But I also believe that the governors and medical apparatus of at least half the states should be indicted. Then many in the police forces which enforced the illegal mandates, from lockdown to experimental gene therapy, should be thrown into jail for trial.
I have not even started with the criminals in the congress, FBI, CIA and others who pushed the Russia hoax and other lies.
Finally, I would be hardest on those who have been running our "Banana Republic" elections. Anyone who has paid the slightest attention to what went on in 2020 can see the fraud and incompetence was huge. This has been a problem in our elections for decades, but 2020 was special . The people, even the majority of idiots who don't understand the difference between a republic and a democracy, need to have confidence that our election system is honest.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 8, 2022 19:42:35 GMT -8
I think he wasn't properly prepared for the job, much less the opposition he faced from almost everyone in D.C.
He had a basic gut feeling that things were going very wrong in the country, but he didn't have a team prepared to handle things. I believe this was the result of not spending enough the time to put together a game plan and drafting a team to carry it out. The failure on personnel was, at least, partially the because he believed that he could rely on people in D.C. to get on board. What a joke.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 8, 2022 19:53:17 GMT -8
The one possibility that such numbers will be reached lies in the civil area. I believe many people, individually and through class-action suits will be bringing litigation against the criminals in our government, media and medical establishments. Some of the members of these establishments may have to face multiple suits from individuals and the government. I would relish this no end.
Once the discovery phase of such law suits is started, you can be sure that more criminal action will come to light and the number of criminals involved will increase.
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Post by artraveler on Feb 8, 2022 21:07:28 GMT -8
I think he wasn't properly prepared for the job, much less the opposition he faced from almost everyone in D.C. It is more likely that he wasn't prepared for the level of corruption he found. Trump is used to dealing with people whose loyalty is built on money. For people whose loyalty is to give business first and ideology far down the list. In DC he sadly discovered that common corruption was not the norm. The corruption in politics is vastly different, oh they will take your money but ideology is now the most important. For that Trump, or any outsider, is never prepared. IMHO it is going to take a violent and bloody purge to clean it up and American people will not, as yet, tolerate that. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 9, 2022 21:06:37 GMT -8
Steve Kirsch has good starting lists of those who must be brought to justice for the KFF fraud. The lists are a little ways down in the piece. If we could try and convict these people, we would have gone a reasonable distance in achieving some justice. I think people further down the power ladder should also be standing before the bench. State governors and bureaucrats come immediately to mind. The fact that someone, with a fair amount of standing and numerous followers, is finally writing this shows that people have figured out this has been a huge crime, and that the instigators and other promoters of the fraud will be pursued legally. Most Wanted Lists |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 10, 2022 9:19:34 GMT -8
Wikipedia, in particular, is a dirge. An another note, the once interesting site, Ars Technica, is another dirge of political correctness and misinformation (under the guise of "science"). Scientific American has also hit rock bottom, although it was obvious 20 years ago that they were more narrative-based than science-based on the usual subjects.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 10, 2022 13:03:25 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 10, 2022 13:05:07 GMT -8
Trump and Pence are included in Kirsche's list. I am still calling for a broad and deep investigation of Trump's handling of the beginnings of this panic.
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Post by artraveler on Feb 10, 2022 14:24:23 GMT -8
Trumps problem with the KFF was his failure to find competent advisors from the NIH & CDC. And not realizing that it was as much, maybe more, a political problem than an administrative one. However, even with that he actually got the vaccine, which we now know is really a therapeutic, done faster then could have been done by any DC swamp creature.
I think Trump was lied to so often by his own government that it is impossible to judge his real impact on the entire crisis. If he has learned that as a lesson then in 2024 he could actually be the best choice. It is simple fire everybody, keep no-one from the Biden Administration and fire them as far down the line as possible. Shut down the Dept of ED, and all the other agencies that fail to perform. Ship the rest out of DC into the states. Attack the swamp anywhere it exists. Don't announce what your going to do just do it.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 10, 2022 15:08:30 GMT -8
This is exactly what I think. Although I would like to know more about the decisions made at the beginning of the KFF fraud, I doubt that Trump did something illegal or intentionally against the American people. I think it would help him for some of this info to come out.
As Ezra Levant wrote, Trump is unable to apologize or admit mistakes. This is a huge fault. I don't think politicians need to go around saying, "I'm sorry" all the time, but nobody is perfect and especially in a situation like the KFF fraud, which requires some esoteric knowledge, an apology could be used to Trump's advantage. If I were Trump, I would try to point out some policy decision error and apologize for it and then say I advised the Biden Administration of this point and they ignored me, thus the even larger number of deaths from the KFF. It is much more acceptable for a government to make mistakes at the beginning of a medical emergency than to make them a year into the emergency.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 10, 2022 15:43:40 GMT -8
Worth a read if only to see just how fucked and confused the right-leaning intellectuals are: The Total Failure of ConservatismOkay. Mostly the broad points are fine. But…. Well...not very honest nor clear-headed. There are plenty of conservatives (perhaps not in office) who will stand on moral principle. But the vehicle for conservatism – the Republican Party – is guilty as charged. It is so arranged to wring any moral principles out of an elected official. Interesting that his essay about the failures of conservatism did not once mention the failures of the Republican Party. Can't fix something unless you know what needs fixing. There's nothing wrong with conservatism, whether you tilt it more toward Lock, Burke, or Ronald Reagan. It's a lot like G.K. Chesterton said about Christianity: “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.” That there is no mention of feminism (which leans the state and society toward "safety" rather than liberty) dooms yet another article (and perhaps the various entities that he talks about) to irrelevancy – a debating society purely inside their own minds. No mention of voter fraud whereby even if you run conservative candidates, they might not win because of a stolen election. Fine. We are the smartest people in the room. And I mean that. However, I do still find it disconcerting and astonishing that these online talking heads can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn when talking about what ails us. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 10, 2022 15:48:03 GMT -8
Correction. This is a yuge fault.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 10, 2022 18:15:51 GMT -8
As is almost always the case, this writer only considers intellectual or philosophical "failures" in his analysis. This is common among intellectuals, but is death to a businessman. It is great to have an idea of how to build a better this or that, but an idea is not even half-way to success. Much thought, a basic road map, effort and (generally) money have to be developed and invested before an idea becomes a reality. Understanding this fact should give people an incentive to avoid intellectuals for guidance as to the road to success in the real world.
Far too many of our modern-day pundits indulge in fantasies of the mind akin to a geek in his basement texting others about what it takes to meet and woo beautiful women, thus claiming to be an expert in the field; while another man goes out and actually meets and takes women out for dates. Who is more expert at interacting with females? Many will have heard of the texter, but the actual stud will remain relatively anonymous.
A perfect example of this as regards the Republican Party is the fact that they talked about the minority vote for decades, but did little or nothing to curry it. As I pointed out years ago, if Republicans wanted the minority vote, the first thing they needed to do was go out into minority neighborhoods and talk to people. Trump's people did this and presto whamo, he gained more minority votes than any other Republican for years.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 10, 2022 19:38:19 GMT -8
LOL. Good analogy. You can intellectualize this stuff all day long. But I believe the following plain facts have to be addressed if one is proposing conservatism as a remedy: + Voter fraud + Illegal immigration + Feminism + The yuge size and extent of entitlements + The systemic problem of the Republican Party as a vehicle for conservative reform. + The vast and labyrinthine unelected bureaucracies (Federal, state, and local). + The national debt + The revolving door collusion between government (including those in elective office) and big business.
One could certainly add in the propaganda arms of the DNC including the media, entertainment complex, and government schools. This category alone presents a yuge challenge to conservatism, even without all the other considerations.
The readers here understand the inherent and crucial problem to limited, Constitution government that each of the above poses, so I won’t articulate them. But we could and should if we are serious and if we are trying to organize a cause and influence others to join. But to read articles that take on none of the elements but instead take on the odor of a stale, detached debating society is a walking, talking (if unintentional) advertisement for what is wrong on the right. Splitting hairs as to whether we should be more Burkean or more Lockian just points out what fools these fellows are. |
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