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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 5, 2022 10:33:09 GMT -8
I'm just about halfway through Smoke and Ashes. And it's good enough that I think I'll make it all the way through. It's a fairly decent historical novel from that aspect. You're set down in 1921 Calcutta following opium-addict Captain Sam Wyndham as he, and his partner, Surrender-not, investigate a murder...all with Gandhi and his movement clogging things up in the background. Nothing (yet) extremely unique about the plot. But it is viable and (hopefully) will not include a serial killer. The notorious Section H (military intelligence) is involved in this as well. Anything could unfold at this point. The writing style is clean and (thus far) bereft of political correctness. In fact, I like this one passage by Wyndham:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2022 16:23:31 GMT -8
I finished Smoke and Ashes. It was okay. No serial killer, which is a step; up. The plot became somewhat bland and circular by about the halfway point. Just the same elements rearranged or repeated, maybe with a slight facelift. There's also a writing style that is almost like continuity-errors. He makes small jumps in time or place and it can catch you off guard. I found myself having to re-read the previous page to get my bearings.
Okay, not great. Readable, but not fantastic. I've found another one of this guy's books at the local online library and I'll give that a try.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 7, 2022 10:06:41 GMT -8
So what three phrases will best describe the Kung, Artler, and Nelson private school that we will be opening? Maybe
+ Dream big...but on your own dime + Life isn't fair, get over it. + Persevere, work hard, and don't whine.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 7, 2022 11:22:10 GMT -8
Life isn't fair, get over it. Sums up everything I have learned in 74 years.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 13, 2022 17:46:51 GMT -8
I'm 1/3 of the way through the 2nd book in the Banerjee Mystery Series: A Necessary Evil. There is an assassination of an official. Captain Wyndham and Sergeant "Surrender-Not" Banerjee get involved and eventually follow leads to the kingdom of Sambalpore ( Sambalpur). This is a kingdom outside the legal limits of the Raj. It's a foreign country, for all intents and purposes, inside a foreign country. The story has flowed well so far.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 14, 2022 9:01:52 GMT -8
I have checked out this book from my public library. They also have the first in the series, but someone else has it at the moment.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 14, 2022 9:26:46 GMT -8
Hope you enjoy it. I'm about 60% through it now. The "opium fiend" part of it is toned down a little from "Smoke and Ashes." This is a good thing. Probably better characters in this one as well. I think the plot so far is handed deftly. It unfolds with lots of options but is not overwhelming in complexity. It makes it seem more realistic and less Agatha Christie.
I was trying to read another Inspector Rutledge novel the other day ("The Confession"). It had a good opening. But these authors just bog the writing down in page after page of Rutledge rolling over in his mind speculation about who did what. It's so mind-numbingly dull that I can't believe they don't see this. With at least this Abir Mukherjee novel, they keep moving the plot along with a nice balance of action and analysis. Good god, the writing in some of the Rutledge novels is just awful. I'm thinking they're just phoning some of these books in. Or find their own mind-numbing writing style to be interesting...at least to them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 15, 2022 12:57:42 GMT -8
I finished A Necessary Evil and will soon start another in the Banerjee series: Death in the East (book 4 of 5) A Necessary Evil (perhaps I still don't understand how the title relates to the book) was a pretty good read throughout. But about 2/3 of the way through, the plot started to get stale as we simply rotated through five or six suspects and considered various scenarios. There were probably too many options made available, so my eyes started to glaze over a bit nearer the end. Several of the scenarios or plot points were not convincing. A couple actions by Arora, in particular, seemed to turn him into a human MacGuffin. And the culmination of the murder mystery was underwhelming. But not underwhelming to the point where it spoiled it. But the plot simply lacked snap, crackle, and panache. Also, the pining of Wyndam over the half-breed chick (I forget her name) was overdone. Also, they could have fleshed out the character of the second-in-line prince. Wyndam does have some good interactions with him (love the tiger hunt), but probably better to extend them than spend so many words speculating about who-done-it by sifting through various scenarios. As a reader, this don't work because we already know the plot is in the hands of the writer. So this sifting tends to do nothing to help suspend disbelief and to get lost in a novel. Surrender-not definitely comes off more like a real character in this one. He was but a shadow of a person in Smoke and Ashes. And (blessedly) there are fewer of the cliched conflicts between Wyndam and his superiors. That kind of stuff was old 30 years ago. So, overall, I found it a page-turner with only minor disappointments.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 15, 2022 15:20:30 GMT -8
This is the train station from which Wyndham and Bannarjee took the train to accompany the young royal's remains to Sambalpore. I do believe I took a train from the same station back in around 1984-84. Howrah Station I can well recall taking a taxi over this bridge. It didn't look so fancy in those days. Howrah BridgeNeither did the Grand Hotel, in which I was happily a guest a couple of times. This is close to what it looked like when I stayed there and is very much what Wyndham would have seen. But both in 1920 and the 1980s there would have been a lot more people swarming around the place.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 15, 2022 15:33:29 GMT -8
Cool! And that's an amazing station. No wonder the Indians wanted home rule. The wanted that railroad infrastructure.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 18, 2022 8:32:43 GMT -8
I give you my idea. I must warn anyone who wants to read the book to stop now as my answer will go a long way to explaining why the assassinations took place.
You will recall in her early discussion with Wyndham, the old Maharani hinted at the shape of things when she told him to be satisfied with the truth (when he found it) and let justice handle itself.
In his last discussion with the old Maharani, Wyndham tells her he knows what happened. He probes why she acted as she did and she goes through a litany of reasons. Adhir was not worthy, Punit was a bum, the old Maharaja had never really runs things and was about to die, Golding wouldn't play along and his stubbornness was threatening the plan to defraud the British mining company. In essence, the Maharani excused all the murders which she set in motion as necessary evils which were for the good of Sambalpore and its people. Tyrants commonly come up with ways to gloss over their crimes.
There were a few points which were very implausible. First, it is highly unlikely that a Brahmin such as Banarjee would be as ignorant of Indian culture as he is. I know more about Indian history and culture than he did. Second, it is extremely unlikely that an international mining company would buy/value a diamond mine based on a report issued by the government of the state from which the mining company was to purchase the mine. I know a little about this business and nobody does anything without having geologists go over the mine with a magnifying glass. That being the case, all the murders would have been for naught. Third, Wyndham worked too closely with Aurora. Given that Aurora had chosen the unusual return route on which Adhir was assassinated, he would have been and stayed a prime suspect.
Overall, I enjoyed the book. I was not overly impressed with the Banarjee character and believe he needs to be developed. I am of two minds regarding the Wyndham character. He is tenacious, but his addiction to opium was irritating. His pining for Miss Grant was a bit juvenile. Furthermore, I would recommend he be less of a smart ass, if he actually wanted to get close to her.
I will have a look into which other books, from this series, are available from my public library.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 18, 2022 9:22:20 GMT -8
Yeah, I understood all that. It just seemed a weak link to the title of the book. I might have called it "With all My Concubines, Who Really Needs a Bossy Wife?"
Yes, very well stated. A very weak plot point. The diamonds could have been a point of interesting intrigue. Instead it was kind of blah. By the time someone decides to investigate the mines, it's a day late and a dollar short as far as the story goes.
I thought Arora was a horrible and unnecessary character. Dittos on what you said. His delay in accosting Punit's assassin was when the novel took a definite down-turn for me. A silly, silly, silly plot point that they didn't build on and excused with flimsy after-the-fact speculation.
Ditto on all counts. Like I said, I thought Surrender-not might have been a little more developed here than the other book. But he's still underdeveloped. And the juvenile pining over Miss Grant would have been acceptable had he at least tried to change his behavior a little and win her over. But his destructive non-stop smart-ass-ism was dull and tiring.
We certainly read the same book. Given how difficult it is for me to find a book that is either not intellectually insulting nor full of political correctness, I sort of have to go with what I can find. And certainly I learn things about India in that time period which is a draw for me. A shame the characters aren't a little more well developed.
I've started book #4, Death in the East. This is the one the comes after Smoke and Ashes (the one that I read first). The book starts with Wyndham going off on his own to a Hindu ashram to get over his opium addiction. There's another plot brewing as well which I don't really understand as yet. But I'm 10% into this, if that.
What you'll love about this ashram is the decidedly non-snowflake Brother Shankar who runs the place. Another patient describes it to Wyndham:
Wow, can you imagine some libtard, weak-kneed, therapeutic-oriented modern author writing anything like that? So I can forgive a little here and there as to the shortcoming of some of the characters and plot. We'll see where this one goes.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 18, 2022 9:37:02 GMT -8
As with the Dr. Liebermann series, I realize that I am inclined to find this book more interesting than most. It is natural that, having lived in Vienna I would relate to the Liebermann books more readily than many. The same holds true for "A Necessary Evil." Having lived in Asia for twenty years and visited India eight times, how could it be otherwise? Because of this, I am not completely sure how much my biases effect my evaluation of a book. From your remarks, it seems I didn't go off track. By the way another improbability in the book is the attempted assassination of Punit on the elephant hunt. He and Wyndham went off on their own and who would have known which tree to mount an assassination from?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 18, 2022 10:25:33 GMT -8
Good point. I don't know that it rankled me at the time. What bothered me most was the telegraphing of the assassination attempt. I could see this coming from a mile away. The Dewar (I think) went all that way out to the site of the hunt only to have to quickly leave again. Red herring. But red herrings are a sign that there are fish in the sea.
I really liked that on the elephant hunt that the author deepened the character of Punit. He was an absolute James-Bondish one-dimensional "spoiled bad rich playboy" villain up to that time. I think the plot spent way too much time speculating instead of creating. Let us have that trip to the diamond minds...early and often. Let's see into this Punit. Is he as superficially rotten as he seems?
So the elephant hunt was nice in that we got behind the stereotype. But the worst point for me in the book was the truly horrid plot point when Golding wants to tell something important to Wyndham but, of course, he must wait until morning. He can't just blurt out right then and there what is on his mind.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. I almost put the book down in disgust after that. Of course, Golding never makes his meeting with Wyndham the next day. Big surprise there. Why would anyone write such cliched trash?
In fact, I don't like the character of Wyndham much at all. To some extent, that's okay. Not every central character has to be a perfect hero. And perhaps that's why Surrender-not is left unrealized and mostly undefined. Here is a guy who, by all rights, should be the star of the book. As you said, he's going to know a hell of a lot more about the country than any white guy. Yes, he'll have to kowtow to his superiors and often play the dumb Indian. But we, as a reader, would wink-wink, nudge-nudge be in on the fact that he was really a very sharp guy underneath the obsequiousness.
What I described isn't even necessarily a complex character, per se. (And we do get some of that character in the book.) But it's something. I just think it's likely that the task of getting the details right in a historical novel such as this are so onerous that characters and plot can be somewhat afterthoughts. And perhaps it's true that the talent it takes to be a good researcher isn't necessarily the talent needed to write good characters and stories.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 18, 2022 11:37:01 GMT -8
100% agree. The moment Golding said that it had to wait until morning, I said to myself, "Give me a break. Nobody would do such a thing. And we won't see him alive again."
Such silly scenes are common in TV detective stories such as "Midsomer Murders." But I find them somewhat more acceptable in such cases as firstly, I don't take film as serious as writing and secondly, I generally watch such programs because of the characters so I pay less attention to the plot. Were this not the case, I would basically have to cut out all TV as programs, such as "Midsomer Murders," are generally poorly written and the plots and characters are very often quite stupid. But as I say, I don't take film so seriously so such things don't bother me too much. I can watch Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes or David Suchet as Poirot regardless the plots.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 18, 2022 11:40:24 GMT -8
LOL. Yes, that was 100% certain-tied.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2022 8:36:52 GMT -8
So what we have going in Death in the East are two stories. One is set in 1905 when Wyndham was a rookie cop (a woman that Wyndham knows is assaulted and killed). The other is in present-day 1922 where Wyndham is in a Hindu ashram attempting to get clean. And there are suggestions (of course it would have to be so) that the older story is going to connect to the present day.
But first let me tell you that I have no intention of ever getting hooked on opium. The process of going cold turkey sounds horrendous. It's described with painful clarity in the book. It's amazing that a drug can do that to you.
So the 1905 story is sort of so-so at the moment. But the 1922 get-clean story is actually pretty good so far. Oh...and one of the patients has just gone missing. Might Brother Shankar turn to Wyndham to solve this mystery, for it doesn't appear that he is a normal runaway from treatment? He's disappeared for too long. I'm betting it's something like that.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 19, 2022 9:30:13 GMT -8
I checked this book out yesterday night as it is the only other book in the series, which is in ebook form.
I have reached the point at where they have discovered the body and the local Dr. has it packed in his auto to take back to his clinic for some sort of autopsy. (I suppose)
I will read along with you and may throw in my two bits every now and then.
This is something I will try to look into. According to Theodore Dalrymple, who worked as a doctor in the British prison system, all the stuff one sees on TV about the painfulness of stopping/quitting drugs cold turkey. I have read that cigarettes are more addicting than heroin, i.e. quitting cigarettes is more difficult than quitting heron.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2022 12:22:32 GMT -8
I've seen a movie or two about someone trying to quit a hard drug. And it looks truly horrifying. Something tells me that Mr. Dalrymple would find this book closer to the truth.
Interesting that Bessie was apparently Wyndham's fiance that he pushed aside for career advancement (via staying in good with the relatives). Maybe a good decision considering what kind of guy she did end up marrying.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 19, 2022 14:37:13 GMT -8
The worst withdrawal symptoms I have ever heard of, or read about, are the DTs, Delirium Tremens. One runs across various descriptions of these among the colonial Brits in the late 1800s and early 1900s. People would actually die from them. I have known people who saw someone with the DTs. What they described wasn't pretty. Delirium Tremens Opium withdrawal, while it can be painful, does not appear to be nearly as difficult as the DTs. Opium Withdrawal
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