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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 19, 2022 14:40:03 GMT -8
I think you are correct. I have to say that I am not very impressed with the way the author is telling two stories, alternating by chapter. I would much rather the 1905 predicate be set and then move to the 1922 story.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2022 19:18:24 GMT -8
I didn't realize that recovering from alcohol addiction could be more painful than quitting opium.
In the novels, as you know, Wyndham has said a time or two that he was unsure of some detail because of either being high or in the throes of withdrawal. He noted that delusions were common to opium. In Death in the East this comes into play at least once (so far). While in the midst of withdrawal at the ashram, he isn't sure he's seen what he's seen.
It looks like Wyndham faces 5 to7 days of hell and then some painful recovery and recuperation time after. At the ashram are others who have a similar addiction or who are addicted to other drugs.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2022 19:21:19 GMT -8
I'm sure, like you, I've seen this technique done well...sometimes an author weaving three different stories at the same time.
I hope there will be more connection and coherence between these two timelines as we go along. I'm sort of forcing myself through the 1905 timeline in order to get to the more interesting one in 1922.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 19, 2022 19:45:03 GMT -8
For sure. In fact, I believe it was one of the Liebermann books that used the technique to good advantage. But this one chapter 1905, another chapter 1922, rinse and repeat, is much too formulaic. He cuts the stories short, when he should add a bit to each. It is a bit like bad film editing. This often results in a jerky product with scenes moving too quickly from one to the other without giving the viewer a chance to take things in. The flow of the story suffers.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 19, 2022 19:51:12 GMT -8
I wonder how much of the haziness and harshness of the cure is due to the liquids that are being given to him? They could certainly be somewhat toxic.
I am a little surprised there is no mention of sugared tea or coffee. In many movies about addicts, some officer is offering a druggie, who is feeling withdrawal symptoms, a cup of something with a lot of sugar in it. Maybe that is just a myth. But sugar would certainly give some energy to a body while I can see little nourishment being given the poor sods trying to get cured in the ashram.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2022 20:18:21 GMT -8
I think that's true. It also occurs to me that the problem is that there isn't enough contrast between the stories. Yes, Wyndham is doing something a bit different in the 1922 story, but you can see it leading to standard detective stuff.
The 1905 story is nothing special (so far). The only intriguing element is seeing Wyndham as a rookie cop. And he's obviously going to catch the eye of the Scotland Yard detective at some point for recruitment.
But think about the two parallel stories in Godfather II. They were way different. And the early (De Niro) story is laying groundwork and giving depth to the later Pacino story. But I don't get those vibes from the 1905 story at all. It just seems a bit blasé.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 19, 2022 20:24:15 GMT -8
We might suppose that this is an ancient (well...not so ancient, if I recall) folk remedy, tried and true. But it does sound at times like the cure is as bad as the disease.
I don't remember anyone mentioning sweetness, but we might suppose that the "tea" they drink takes the place of that. I thought it was a good piece of writing when they were all getting ready for bed. One of the poor souls was in the midst of terrible withdrawal pains. He was tossing and turning so violently and constantly that one of the people quipped (in a practical sense) that there would be no need for him to pull down the mosquito net because no mosquito would ever have time to bit him. Plus he might hurt himself getting tangled in the net.
You really do get the idea that these guys are not just suffering the pain of withdrawal but that their minds are overcome as well.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 8:47:02 GMT -8
I'm at the point where Wyndham is through with the primary part of his treatment. Brother Shankar sends him to stay in town with Preston for a while in Jatinga. We are led to superficially believe this is because Brother Shanker knows that idleness in the ashram could be particularly dangerous for Wyndham.
However (assuming you've gotten this far), I wonder if Brother Shanker doesn't suspect that Preston has something to do with the murder of the Belgian and simply wants Wyndham nearby him. After all, how strange was it that when Preston first saw the body of Le Corbeau, he threw up? Yes, this has become a fashion cliché for someone to lose their guts over the merest trifle. When someone loses their guts when some constable comes across a truly horrendous mutilation, that's understandable. But a guy with no apparent injury laying in a stream induces a reaction of up-chucking? Did these two already know each other well then?
When Wyndham first arrives at Preston's abode, he noted the walls "decorated with framed charcoal etching of the male human form in various contortions: the sort of art that some consider tasteful, and others consider an offence under section 292 of Indian Penal code."
Preston has cameras about his house as well. He's a photographer. Might Le Corbeau have been sneaking off that night to Preston's house for some illicit rendezvous? And because Le Corbeau superficially looks like Wyndham, Wyndham has wondered if the fellow he thinks he's seen in the shadows a time or two may have mistaken Le Corbeau for himself.
Nothing Mr. Flu hasn't thought of. But those are my thoughts on the 1922 plot. And here's a wry thought by Preston speaking to Wyndham about the availability of alcohol:
Incredibly, having just gotten over (or on the way) an addiction to opium, Wyndham sends a telegram to Surrender-not to come post haste to Jatinga – and bring a bottle of whiskey.
I loved this line. Gooch is speaking to young 1905 Wyndham about the realities of the press:
Still the same in 2022. There's very one odd phrase by the writer, speaking of the London press again:
Throw under the omnibus? Really? Some modern phrases can have surprisingly old beginnings. But this one?
And I liked this bit earlier when Wyndham was finally turning the corner on withdrawal:
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 20, 2022 11:01:07 GMT -8
Last night ended with me reaching the point where Wyndham has carried the package back to Mrs. Carter's garage to discover that she is qualified as a car mechanic (something she learned as a volunteer in WWI) and is trying to rebuild a wrecked Bugatti. She gives Wyndham a short biography ending on how she ended up in the middle of nowhere in Assam.
It is pretty clear that Preston is what the Brits call a poof. How he ended up in Assam has me wondering, but it wasn't uncommon for poofs to leave the U.K., where pooftism was illegal, and go to Asia where a European could more easily abuse the natives.
What has my attention at the moment is trying to figure out which Whitehall criminal is the man Wyndham thought he saw at the railway station. Again, I found it irritating that the author has Wyndham say the man could not be who Wyndham thought he was as that man has been dead for over 15 years. Why not just say who he thought it was? But of course, that would give away the 1905 narrative. I found this device to be similar to the one used in "A Necessary Evil" in which Golding told Wyndham he had something very important to tell him, but it would have to wait until morning.
Note, the character who Wyndham saw at the railway station left in a big black car. While Wyndham was having breakfast in the local club, another big black car of the same model drives through the little town of Jatinga and Wyndham doesn't pay it much attention. He even says,
Maybe he needs to smoke another pipe of opium because his wits seem a bit dulled. What a detective.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 20, 2022 11:31:03 GMT -8
Actually, it hadn't occurred to my that Shankar might think Preston could have had something to do with Le Corbeau's death. My thought is that it is possible that Le Corbeau was murdered because the culprit mistook him for Wyndham. When two similar looking men are raving in the night, it is hard to tell them apart. Think, big black car. Big Black Car
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 12:12:18 GMT -8
I've just now caught up to the wrecked Bugatti. There's intimations that there's a wrecked wife as well. Not a lot of depth of character yet for Mrs. Carter. Too early to say "Well, what did you expect when you throw yourself at the first millionaire in India that you meet?" So I'll withhold judgment. But still.
Yep. Preston probably a proof. I'll have to read further before commenting.
Great point. Really was a matter for me of this novel not getting off on the best foot.
Another good point. Extraordinarily bad writing. Not only is the oversight inconsistent with Wyndham's character as a fairly astute cop, but it leaves the reader a bit bewildered. "If I noticed the black car, why didn't Wyndham? Hmmm...I must have scrambled my facts while reading this." It just blurs the plot. Really really poor writing on this point.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 12:54:27 GMT -8
Maybe I'm nitpicking, but I also have a problem with Wyndham so easily cozying up with the Sully thugs.
Listen, we know Wyndham is no angel. But as I remember, he got hooked on opium as a result of treatment for injuries during or after the war. Old story.
And we get that in 1905 he's a bit naive. Still, are you telling me that solving the case of one murder in London (aren't there dozens a year?) is going to make your career? Is that worth selling yourself to the mob on the off chance?
This seems way out of character for him, as was sitting down with the journalist. I don’t imagine you're five minutes on the force before they tell you to keep your distance from journalist. But Wyndham was acting like the really had no idea what kind of quid pro quo the journalist had in mind.
I don't mind seeing into these shady sides. But the author has bent his characters to try to fit this stuff into. A typical fault of today's writing. Thin in character development.
But let's say the journalist was a little more savvy and maybe had kinda-sorta tricked Wyndham into a closer relationship by the journalist maybe saying he had an important tip for the cop. He gives him the tip then there is the implied expectation of something later in return. A much more interesting way to handle it.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 20, 2022 13:15:34 GMT -8
The only excuse is that Wyndham was supposed to be 17 or 18 years old at the time. This in itself presents a problem as it seems to my that in "A Necessary Evil" it is said or implied he was born in 1890. So how did he gain 2 or 3 years? Maybe I am mistaken.
Exactly. He might not have know what quid pro quo meant, but you can bet he was familiar with the concept of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours." I understand youthful naivete, but such obtuseness is hard to swallow given Wyndham's intelligence.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 13:56:35 GMT -8
Exactly. While trying to Google info about Captain Sam Wyndham's age, I ran into this article that basically says "If you like the Banerjee books, you'll like the Inspector Khattak–Rachel Getty mysteries by Canadian author Ausma Zehanat Khan." Well. Cold day in hell, and all that: Sorry to make your eyes roll so far back into your head. That was my reaction as well. Still, I consider it possible that someone write a realistic, even gritty, cop story from the perspective of a Toronto Muslim community-policing cop. I just think it would be hard to do so without it being unintentionally funny. We return you to 1905 India...unless it's 1922.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 20, 2022 15:47:45 GMT -8
Why would any general reader care about that. People read detective stories as a sort of escape from the daily troubles/routine one encounters or just to relax and try to solve a puzzle. Why would I want, or need, to bring more irritation into my life by reading about the emotional problems of a Pakistani-Canadian cop.
By the way, I find "Death in the East" also has too much of this type of crap as well as the standard stereotypical criticism of the English and mental self-flagellation of members of said race.
For Christ's sake. Just get on with the crime story.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 15:51:49 GMT -8
Chapters from about 28 to 34 have taken a real dive, in both timelines. I find myself skimming. The plot is not only a boring cliché but the actually grammatical writing is bad in places...even down to bad punctuation. I wonder if he was heavily drinking when he wrote this section.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 20, 2022 15:53:55 GMT -8
I am at the beginning of chapter 27. What you say is not encouraging.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 15:58:03 GMT -8
Forgive my xenophobia, but a Muslim Pakistani-Canadian cop. It really should have been a trans Muslim Pakistani-Canadian "community policing" cop. Think of the thrilling blurb on the dust jacket:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 20, 2022 16:14:25 GMT -8
Maybe it's just me. But I found the massage parlor sequence to be shallow and dull. But, again, maybe I just wasn't in the mood for this book to turn into Spencer: For Hire.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 21, 2022 9:56:41 GMT -8
I thought chapter 28 a total bust. Only an idiot would try to do what Wyndham attempted. Break into a building, which might be watched by anarchists, alone, out of uniform, and try to arrest a possible murderer. The scene where he reached for his pistol only to find he no longer had it, was particularly stupid. Anyone who has carried a revolver knows that pistols are heavy. If you have a pistol in your pocket, you know it. Conversely, you also know if it is no longer in your pocket. There is no way that Wyndham could have made his way around that bath house for several minutes without realizing that heavy weight in his coat pocket was no longer there. A pistol also generally makes a lot of noise when if falls on a wooden floor.
Interestingly, the author now dispenses with one chapter 1905 and the next 1922. He gives a couple of chapters, in a row, to each which is preferable to the previous methodology.
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