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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 7, 2022 12:41:29 GMT -8
The Wilby Conspiracy. This 1975 movie stars Michael Caine, Sidney Poitier, and Nicol Williamson. It's a combination of political intrigue and caper/chase film. Poitier (as Shack Twala) has ties to the African National Congress. His lawyer, a married white woman (played by Prunella Gee), has recently won his release in court. Her boyfriend (played by Caine) is tagging along. The caper/political intrigue unfolds from there with Major Horn (Nicol Williamson) of the South African secret police fulfilling the role as the bad guy. And he is a very nasty man indeed and Apartheid is certainly not scene in a good light...not that it ever could be. This film gets better as it progresses, the early going being a little simplistic and cliched. It's certainly worth watching and you can currently find it on Tubi TV.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 7, 2022 19:03:42 GMT -8
You can also find a spy thriller called Scorpio on Tubi TV. If you're predisposed to liking spy thrillers, this isn't bad although I think it shits itself in the end. Burt Lancaster plays the CIA spy, Cross. His boss thinks he is a double-agent and wants him eliminated. Generally a good cast with a plot that should have been tighter. It is a good chance to take a tour around Vienna. They have a great foot chase scene there in and around a construction site. Though lacking in many ways, it's free.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 7, 2022 19:54:19 GMT -8
The filming of this movie took place in 1972, a year before I studied in Vienna. Depending on how extensive the scenes of Vienna are, you will get a good idea of the state of the city in those days. Quite different from today.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 7, 2022 20:02:21 GMT -8
Not a lot (if any) big-vista views of Vienna. Mostly a street here, a street there. You didn't get a big-picture feel for the city. And if it was in major disrepair, that had to be the reason.
But certainly that yuge construction project chase scene was indicative of what was occurring, at least in some areas. Things were being rebuilt and repaired.
Spy movies typically leave me wondering "WTF?" This one was no different. But that's par for the course. Lancaster probably wasn't right for this role. But the spotty writing here and there are what hurt it. It often had the look of a good made-for-TV movie. Still, it was free. And for a spy flick, it was no worse than most.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 7, 2022 21:16:38 GMT -8
And for a spy flick, it was no worse than most. I spent over 20 years in intelligence and it ruined me for spy movies. The Bond movies did not portray anything like what real-world spying is like. The typical intelligence officer is not handsome, debonaire or on an unlimited expense account. The more average a person is, or can act the more likely they could be an intelligence officer. 99% of the job is boring. Imagine a spy movie set in a an automobile with two guys watching a building for 24 hours and nothing happens. Most spy movies exploit the 1% of the time there is action, but ignore there 99% that is required to reach that point. Brad's accountant could make a better spy than James Bond. The fact is spies who are still alive and retired are spies that are never noticed because they don't fit the profile of a spy. For a movie or tv show----boring. Anyone who wants to be James Bond will never get into CIA, MI5, or even the FSB.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 8, 2022 11:13:24 GMT -8
Agent Artler, you are definitely not a recruiting poster for the CIA. But then isn't it funny how our entire entertainment-based society much prefers the amped-up fiction of unreality? Could this have an impact on how easily we accept the unrealities of "climate change," transgenderism, and "oh my god, we're all going to die...it's flu season again"? Even documentaries are highly unreal. Think of those Disney films of the 50's and 60's that were narrated by Rex Allen. These were totally and completely staged stories using live animals. And they were charming. And they never sold themselves as documentaries. They were animal-dramas. Cute. Cuddly. Sort of miss them a little. But, goodness gracious, I would say most animal documentaries are as staged. That's not necessarily an indictment. In order to witness some of the rare behaviors, you have to control the situation. And a few decades back, there was much controversy over this aspect, that many documentaries were "faked." But I think now they are all mostly "faked" to one degree or another...almost to the point where they might as well have Rex Allen narrate them. Anyway, we are inundated by fake news and fake reality at every turn. Still, I think that one can glimpse facts and truths from inside of a good piece of fiction (film, book, whatever). An accurate historical drama or book is likely to today tell you more about 1920's Vienna than any Woke or Marxist-based social studies class. Granted, that's too much to ask of fiction, to be the replacement for the facts we should have been taught in the first place. But needs must when the devil drives, etc. And there are certainly aspects of Scorpio that show at least a bit of things like boring stakeouts. And where else are you going to find both a Klingon (John Colicos) and a Romulan (Joanne Linville) in the same spy movie?
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 8, 2022 11:25:19 GMT -8
I always thought the early John le Carre' novels did a good job of presenting the intelligence world as it is. George Smiley is, I believe, a good example of something close to reality.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 8, 2022 12:05:20 GMT -8
I'm currently watching on Tubi TV 1982's Enigma with Martin Sheen as a man recruited by the CIA to stop a Russian plot. Ironic because Martin Sheen himself probably hasn't met a Communist he couldn't apologize for. But this is supposedly based on a true story. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 8, 2022 16:50:45 GMT -8
Well, forget about watching Enigma. Total piece of crap. But for the first 40% of it, it was building into something interesting. And then the improbabilities and unrealities started to add up to make it look like an over-stretched Mission Impossible episode.
I mean, the Russians know what Martin Sheen's character looks like. They have a photo. But smudge a bit a dirt on his face or put glasses on him, and even one of the head agents of the KGB (Sam Neill) doesn't recognize him face-to-face.
Total. Piece. Of. Crap. The only point of interest was the rivalry between the Russian agent (Neill) and the East German one (Derek Jacobi). But this was nowhere near played to full effect.
Total. Piece. Of. Crap. And it's surprising how fast and how far this fell at about the halfway mark. I tell ya, this makes Scorpio look like a masterpiece in comparison.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 9, 2022 8:18:42 GMT -8
George Smiley There is a lot of good tradecraft in these novels. I believe the Karla trilogy are the best, Tinker, tailor, Honorable Schoolboy and Smilies People.
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