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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 28, 2020 13:07:39 GMT -8
I couldn’t agree more, Mr. Kung. My caveat is that Mr. Trump could Tweet out “The sun is shining and it’s a beautiful day” and half the Twitter world would go bananas. But certainly at least of few of his Tweets were counter-productive quite outside the Stockholm Syndrome aspect of the Republican Party who quickly learn that having an opinion produces backlash from the crazies….so they learn not to have a “controversial” opinion, which means to adopt the thinking of the Left.
And plenty of people hate Trump from the right side of the spectrum because of decorum alone. These people I tend to despise even more than Leftists, for at least the lunatics on the Left believe in something strongly.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 28, 2020 13:29:03 GMT -8
Unfortunately, this is true. The world has always been full of many sick people. Mass media is a new potent platform with which they can manifest this illness. Without it the rest of us would not be subjected to the illness. Mass media also helps increase the incidence of the disease in those who are carriers. The disease might otherwise have remained dormant in such people.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 28, 2020 13:39:42 GMT -8
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Post by artraveler on Jan 28, 2020 13:51:08 GMT -8
My caveat is that Mr. Trump could Tweet out “The sun is shining and it’s a beautiful day” and half the Twitter world would go bananas.If Donald Trump found a way to cure cancer, feed the world, and ensure world peace. The last thing he should do is announce it. Just do it and let the media find out on their own. My experience with bureaucrats is that their default position is no, never and in extreme cases wait.. Best advise I ever got in government was never tell them what your doing, or going to do. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 28, 2020 14:05:27 GMT -8
Sounds like lawyers and accountants. Business killers.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 28, 2020 14:12:22 GMT -8
Yes, this is what I was talking about earlier. Don the Lemon and his cohorts are incapable of grasping that they are leading most conservatives -- and many non-conservatives who retain their civility -- to loathe the synoptic media. The only good newsliar is a dead newsliar.
When Bush invaded Somalia in late 1992, a friend and I joked that we should offer the mujahideen a bounty on journalists (double if they were from CBS or Time). When a British reporter was killed, we joked that we needed to inform them that the bounty only applied to Americans. Anyone who thinks our hostility to the synoptic media has anything to do with Trump is a fool.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 28, 2020 15:07:33 GMT -8
It is very hard to understand these people. I can understand them being liars. But can they truly be so stupid that they don't understand they have been exposed and are fooling almost nobody, pushing even normally complacent people to the right? Such a lack of self-awareness is hard to grasp.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 28, 2020 15:55:26 GMT -8
The link is to a humorous piece which displays more dishonesty and lack of self-awareness among the media.
While it would be nice to see both defendants lose money, the only way (possibly) to stop this type of crap is for some companies and people to be bankrupted.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 28, 2020 16:15:32 GMT -8
Amusing cases. There are times when you wish both sides could wipe each other out somehow, and this has a pair of them.
I wonder, has anyone ever done a movie about Charlotte Corday, who murdered the Jacobin Marat in his bath? At least he deserved it for what he actually did, not for his skin color. It also meant that of the four major Jacobins of the Committee for Public Safely (Danton, Marat, Robespierre, and St. Just), he was the only one not guillotined in the end.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 28, 2020 16:56:47 GMT -8
Funny you should bring them up. I was reading about them last night. It sounded like Marat was something of a malignant dwarf along the lines of Yezhov.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 28, 2020 19:28:07 GMT -8
Sounds like good advice. I wonder if anyone knows what the rules are now with Trump as president and a whacked-out Democrat Party.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 28, 2020 21:19:08 GMT -8
I believe we have reached a point that like the Roman Republic in 50 BCE, there are no rules. We are going from outrage to outrage at full speed and the roadway is covered with grease. It is not that we haven't been here before 1968, 1929, 1860, 1812, 1789 come to mind with a crisis of the day. As a nation we have always recovered and in some way I guess we will this time also. The difference is the degree of anti-Americanism in government and the size of the government.
The great king Cyrus ruled an empire from the Med to India, as did Alexander and for their time we could consider their empires complex, multi-cultural governments. However, our smallest states are much more complex and diverse than Cyrus or Alexander could ever have dreamed, and both of their empires collapsed after their death.
First century BCE Rome was rocked with would be dictators, civil war, slavery, corruption, extreme violence and law only for those who could afford it. Octavian, later Augustus actually brought a measure of stability to Rome. I wonder if Plato was right, a benign dictator may be a better way to manage a government. Of course, that begs the question--who chooses?
We certainly have a political system that is spinning out of control. The rule of law has become a kind of sick joke in some circles, where in others it has disappeared completely. Conservatives and right thinking libertarians are right to view the political horror show in our statehouses and national capital as some kind of obscene growth that requires a skilled surgeon. The problem is that all we have is the broadsword. I think I know how Cato felt. The Republic is dying and the worms are already eating the body.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 28, 2020 22:09:54 GMT -8
Alexander's empire collapsed quickly, but some of the successor kingdoms (especially that of Seleucus) were multinational. The Persian empire created by Cyrus lasted nearly 200 years, until Alexander overthrew it.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 29, 2020 6:56:38 GMT -8
Tim
Your being pedantic and missing the point. The fire that made Alexander and Cyrus empires died with them. There were still Greeks after Alexander and there were still Persians after Cyrus. There will still be Americans after the idea of America dies. Doesn't mean it will be a place we would want to live.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 29, 2020 8:08:51 GMT -8
I just don't think that's an accurate description of the Persian empire, which wasn't done expanding when Cyrus died. Cambyses conquered Egypt, and Darius expanded it into southeastern Europe (though not as far as he wanted).
It occurs to me that Plato's philosopher-king may have been what the philosophes had in mind when they came up with the idea of the enlightened despot. Aside from the question of who qualifies, there's always the problem that you can't get guarantee the enlightenment of the despot, and the unenlightened ones are usually monsters, disasters, or both. Of course, if you're going to be ruled by a despot anyway, it would be nice to see if you can get an enlightened one.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 29, 2020 9:12:44 GMT -8
Artler, I just read a VDH article that takes the historic view as well: When There is No Normal. The gist of it is that if you change the rules and remove the safeguards, these new rules will be used against you. I admire VDH as the only other person (other than Andrew McCarthy) who makes much sense over there. I think the only flaw in his thinking is to suppose that Republicans would ever act ungentlemanly enough to actually go on the warpath against the Left. I tend to view this as a psychological phenomenon more than a political one. This is why I shy from arguing the issues because it’s not the fine-grained issues that matter. It’s the larger ideas in play about what this society will be. That is where the big difference of opinion is (at least among some). I see people on the right, left, and middle who are putting much more into The Daily Drama than the cup of politics (at least in America) was ever meant to hold. It is a revolutionary ethos we are opposing and it is one where either we win or they win. The sad fact is, the French Revolutionaries are winning. And they will bring the same kind of destruction down on this nation (they already have to a great extent) that the revolutionaries inflicted on France in pursuit of their utopian goals. Men (see: most of the wars and atrocities throughout history) can be beastly. But I believe our current troubles are almost completely to do with the beastly behavior of women. We have a society that has gone dictionary-definition hysterical. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 29, 2020 9:23:47 GMT -8
Thinking about the helicopter crash, they could have set down on the ground at any time and said the obvious: “We can’t see where we’re going. Let’s stop for a while.” Instead, in a fog with bad visibility, they crashed into a Californian hill (a topography inherent to and abundant in the region) going 160 mph or better.
Mechanical failures are one thing. But I hope the surviving families sue the pants off of Kobe Bryant. I seriously doubt the pilot of this helicopter (who is ultimately responsible, if not legally) would have flown in such weather at his own behest.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 29, 2020 9:54:14 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing when I saw some photo, by a third party, which showed the helicopter in flight. Visibility was restricted above, in front and behind, but there was clearly enough visibility between the helicopter and the ground to land somewhere, even if there was the possibility of being fined.
Another case of GMTA.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 29, 2020 13:41:55 GMT -8
Here's a site that has some detailed photos of the crash site. And info on it says: I'm guessing the pilot was trying to get under the fog or clouds so that he could see where he was going. What I had read said that they were following a road to navigate, so it seems logical that they were trying to go down to perhaps regain site of a road they were supposedly following for visual reference. But clearly the pilot didn't think he was near a mountain. Yeah. A terrain warning system would have come in handy. Here's a video someone took while the helicopter was circling over Glendale, apparently while it waited for approval from air traffic controllers to continue.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 1, 2020 22:20:05 GMT -8
Proof that the left has long passed from simple insanity to howling-at-the-moon nuttiness is rapidly piling up. Here is the latest piece which confirms normal people better be careful as the crazies have lost all pretensions of normalcy and are impatient to force their malignancy on the rest of us. Bye, bye Fido. Hello master |
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