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Post by Brad Nelson on May 11, 2022 9:18:26 GMT -8
The do look like a Clydesdale. But they seem such gentle giants. One day the guys took a couple of these horses out to plow or harrow. The equipment wasn't hooked up to them yet. But both horses saw that big open field in front of them and just bolted for a moment. They were ready to go. The guys got them quickly under control. But it was funny to see the pony spirit in such a big beast.
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Post by artraveler on May 11, 2022 11:25:05 GMT -8
Clydesdale I'm not a professional horseman, but the one thing I think I understand about the species is their dedication to a task. It is, I think, the one thing that distinguishes them from other animals. Horses learn one thing and seem to spend the rest of their lives focused on that one item. Oh, they can handle other tasks, but are truly happy doing the one. Thoroughbreds, for example are born to run. Even the slowest horse knows the excitement of the race, the roar of the crowd and the 2 minutes of the actual race. Win or lose they know they have done what they were born to do. The same is with work horses, mustangs understand ranching and how to deal with cattle and Clydesdales glory in pulling large loads. All horses when not doing their tasks tend to get surly and difficult to manage, but set them free to work in the world they understand are generally pleasant and easy to work with, and will do their task until their great hearts explode. Civilization would be impossible without the horse and the dog. Humanity owes them much better then we have ever given them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 11, 2022 13:02:27 GMT -8
I think that's a fantastic description of the reality.
I have a friend who is a bit of an extremist in his thinking. "Dogs are our slaves." That sort of thing. But I think the reality is that, yes, we are their master. But they are yugely better off than out in the wild. Ask any dog. Do you want to sit by the fire and eat Alpo or sleep in some flea-ridden hole in the ground with a hungry belly hoping you might catch something tomorrow, if you don't freeze to death before then.
Anyone who has seen a wild mustang being captured and broken is going to have mixed emotions. And certainly mankind has regularly abused his animals. But those Shire horses have it very good. They are generally very well taken care of. And, as you said, they are pleased to have their task in life. I look at this as a mutually-beneficial relationship.
I would also literally flog someone for mistreating an animal. And not because I'm an animal nut. It's because we are their protectors and caretakers. And if we're going to domesticate them and use them for out benefit, we better sure as hell keep up our end of the bargain and take good care of them. I literally would beat the hell out of someone who abused a dog. I love that scene in Reacher (and you knew this was going to happen eventually) where he cold-cocks the jerk who is mistreating his dog. Yes. That's the right thing to do.
Without a doubt.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 11, 2022 16:09:47 GMT -8
In episode six they do a sort of "day in the life" thing which mostly works.
Alex takes some boots to a shoemaker for repair. His brother is one of the few people still working at that craft. He mentioned that it was around the Edwardian time that factory shoe making became a big thing and which brought many of these skilled men into the factories. Others went out of business, of course.
He also noted it was with the advent of the competition from the factories that the "cobbler" was born. He wasn't the guy who would make your shoes. He would mend them.
A fox injures one of the geese. Alex and Peter take drastic measures...they buy a gander. Apparently a gander will have little problem driving off most foxes, dogs, or even humans.
Speaking of luxury goods in supermarkets, Ruth goes to a local Edwardian store and stocks up. It was at this time that branding started in earnest. Although you really ought to have been able to buy flour that was produced locally, more and more food was shipped via rail cross-country and you reached for the big-brand names with the well-known logos.
Peter and Alex have a hand in the kitchen and make "beef tea." I never knew what that was. But it's nothing complicated. It's just the water you pour off after having boiled some lean meat in it. Drink it hot.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 11, 2022 18:03:34 GMT -8
This is how it is done these days. In fact, it was already being done in mid-Victorian days. Price and convenience will drive out quality. Bovril
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Post by kungfuzu on May 11, 2022 18:13:00 GMT -8
Nothing unusual in that. Many people take pride in keeping their cars or guns or other such tools (particularly when new) in tip-top shape. Yet they still drive or hunt or go to target practice with the same cars or guns. They haven't lost sight of the original purpose of the tool. I think it has gone beyond that with much of technology today.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 12, 2022 7:11:24 GMT -8
Episode 7 of Edwardian Farm is rather good. Peter visits a farmer who has a herd of 1500 whiteface Dartmoor sheep. As this farmer also noted, the breed is known for ease of lambing. But he had to be there to not only help if necessary, but especially to make sure the lamb and mother were not separated. A short time after birth, the mother and her lamb would be segregated together in a pen to bond. Peter remembers how difficult it was her him and Alex to supervise the lambing of their small flock that they had. But this fellow has 1500. And, with twins accounted for, that should be about 2000 lambs. So over the following days and nights, he's going to be run ragged. The rains let up enough for Alex to plant a potato crop. They use fermented horse manure for fertilizer. We learn that "back in the day" barges full of various types of waste (including human waste) would come from London for use as fertilizer. Those were the days, my friend. We thought they'd never end. I'm sure many are glad they did. In various episodes we see Alex (he's usually the guy) plowing the fields with their shire horse or horses. Then usually follows the harrowing: Everyone is familiar with plowing. But I knew next to nothing about harrowing. In one episode, they explain that the ridges left by harrowing have to be just right in order to encourage seed growth but not to encourage weed growth. They sort of blow past the details of this. But these are the details a farmer has to worry about. The harrowing is rather light work for the horse compared to the plow. Ruth's daughter, Eve, visits again (she's become a semi-regular) and makes her mother a special cake on "Mothering Sunday." Ruth is involved in many and constant tasks, as usual, including getting involved in harvesting and packaging daffodils. This used to be a yuge business in the area (and I forget the reason it was supplanted). It's noted that when a train line finally connected the area, it made it viable to ship flowers all over. And it was the trains that ignited the flower industry, allowing these fresh flower to make it to market in a timely fashion.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 12, 2022 8:45:50 GMT -8
More of the type of history which is interesting.
When I was a child, the land on which I now live, as well as hundreds-of-thousands of acres in the area, was farm land. Many is the time that I saw those disk harrows and thought they were plows.
I vaguely knew that farmers had to break up dirt clods, but didn't know much about how they did it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 12, 2022 9:00:04 GMT -8
There was also an interesting moment when plowing. This was in the Victorian episodes. They were plowing a grass field that had been a grass field for decades. They brought an expert in to help. And it got into the details of how deep to plow. The soil had to be turned in such a way so that the sod was completely buried. They fussed with the depth setting on the plow until they got this right.
At one point (perhaps during the potato planting) the plow hit a rock and broke the blade. Alex got it repaired (which would have made a good segment but this all happened in the background). Tractors could plow about 4 times more in a day than a horse could. Still, when you see those horses doing their thing, what's the hurry?
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 12, 2022 17:24:55 GMT -8
The cows they have in Edwardian Farm are ruby reds. They really are a gorgeous and quite red cow, although the picture below might exaggerate that a bit: Their own fields have not yet rebounded from the winter freeze. But a neighbor has some spare fields and in episode 8 the boys drove the cows a couple miles to these fields. Easier said than done. Where a cow wants to walk, it walks. They got offtrack for a while. Alex and Peter later volunteer as crew on one of the last remaining sail-powered trawlers left in England. They again face problems with the weather...or lack of. Without a breeze, they can't trawl with the nets. They bring some lanolin on board to lubricate the ropes. Ruth extracted some from sheep's wool by boiling it. It's just some thick white stuff that floats to the top and hardens when cool. If you've ever petted a sheep, you'll well know just how thick their coats are with this stuff. Ruth also smokes some fish in an improvised smokehouse. She also makes laverbread. The laver has nothing to do with bread, per se. It is seaweed that is harvested and then pureed. From the remarks of Peter, it's nothing to write home about although it apparently is a very nutritious food, high in protein. This would definitely have been peasant food. But currently the shorelines have abundant supplies of the stuff. Few are eating it these days.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 14, 2022 17:37:19 GMT -8
Episode 9 of Edwardian Farm was centered around the reenactment of a holiday event: Empire Day. Empire Day is set on the 24th of May – Queen Victoria's birthday – and was first celebrated in 1902 a year after her death. It's just coming up for us as well, although we opted out of the empire a while back. When it became politically incorrect to celebrate an Empire, it was changed to Commonwealth Day in 1977. Apparently boatloads of tourists and revelers would come to Morwellham Quay in Devon back in the Edwardian era to partake in various festivities. It was also an opportunity for the local farmers and townspeople to make money selling stuff to the tourists. In that vein, Ruth learns how to make clotted cream, a product that originated in Cornwall and Devon. This might have been served on a scone with strawberries as an integral part of an English cream tea. In this case, a local expert shows Ruth a different type of bread that she prefers to scones. I think it was call "square cake," although I don't exactly recall the name. But it was an easy bread to make. No rising necessary, etc. Assisting with the holiday reenactment was one of three remaining English paddle steamers which brought a boatload of excursionists to the quay. There, flowers, strawberries, and even a pastel by Peter is for sale (although he ended up just giving it to someone). Ruth, as hostess, serves a proper and welcomed cream tea to the congregants. Alex went to great lengths to protect his strawberry patch including setting loose a couple ducks (who love slugs) in his patch. Later, he covered the ripening berries with netting. Peter, in preparation for doing some painting, makes his own pastels using chalk, coloring, and a typical binder. I do believe they had a lot of fun putting this episode together.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 14, 2022 18:36:54 GMT -8
This is something everyone should experience. I loved High Tea at the Mandarin Hotel Hotel in Hongkong.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 14, 2022 18:53:53 GMT -8
High Tea at the Mandarin Hotel must have been something indeed. My memory is a little fuzzy on this. But when I was in my early teens, my family went up and visited Victoria (a ferry ride from Port Angeles), including The Empress Hotel. Funny that I Googled on "Empress Hotel" and it didn't come up. I see now that it is now the "Fairmont Empress Hotel." I don't know what that means or when it happened. I know we didn't have a meal there (or stay there) because it was far too expensive. But I believe my parents did partake of tea in the lobby or ground floor dining area...whatever it was. The experience of such grandeur was completely lost on me at the time.
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At 64% milk fat (the highest of any cream), clotted cream is appropriately named.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 16, 2022 6:51:15 GMT -8
I completed the twelfth and last episode of Edwardian Farm. It's sad to have to go. As one reviewer wrote: The measure of good TV has usually been "Do you want to spend time with these characters?" In this case, it's a definite "yes." That may sound sad and pathetic, to be reduced to television for company. But there's no getting around this aspect of what makes a show good. The reviewer also writes: Certainly recreating it (and being able, presumably, to sneak off for a Big Mac when you want) is different from having to actually live in that time. If any of them were to be seriously injured (and there seemed to be ample opportunity for that), they would not have been taken to an Edwardian-era hospital. And it's unclear to me if Alex, Peter, and Ruth actually did spend their time 24/7 in Devon. We never see (if memory serves) where any of them sleep. I think in Victorian Farm we get much more of a sense of them living there. But in either case, I have no idea. They may have just gone back once a month and filmed some segments. I'm not saying this is a big deceit. (This is "reality" television, after all.) I just have no idea if the immersion was complete. Still, I would rate this sequel to the series, Victorian Farm, to be its equal and perhaps a little better. Seen as a series of demonstrations of techniques, practices, customs, and with a background of the history, the show works well. And I have little doubt that you could throw these three back into the Edwardian era and they would thrive. They are all obviously knowledgeable and resourceful. Most of all, none of them seem allergic to hard work. Would I want to live on those times? I would not, especially knowing that WWI was just around the corner. And they do touch on that. This is when the Edwardian period ended. It was a brief period. And after the war especially, it was looked back upon by many as a golden age...if only (as they said) because so many of their friends and family would have been alive. The Edwardian era is probably best visited for a while...as this crew does. I would gladly pay $1000 (or so) to spend a couple weeks in that life, as this crew does. The are (apparently) immersed in it rather than gawking at it and making jokes at it from afar. And every expert or guest who enters the show is suitably dressed in Edwardian garb. They do a good job keeping up the pretense. And certainly via Ruth we see unabashedly how hard these people worked. To dabble in it a while would be fun. But the nostalgia would likely quickly wear off after a few weeks if you actually had to live that way. But then you never get the impression that Alex, Peter, and Ruth aren't anything but born for that time. They seem to love it, hard work and all. There's an accompanying book to the series as well. Reviews on it are mixed. But I found a used hardcover version (supposedly "very good" condition) for $17.00 including shipping and should receive that on…Empire Day, May 24th.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 16, 2022 16:53:01 GMT -8
Next up is Tudor Monastery Farm which is also available on Amazon Prime. This is a 2013 production coming later than Victorian Farm (2009) and Edwardian Farm (2010). This is a bit of a lesser program than the previous two. Ruth and Peter are still part of the team. But Alex has been swapped out for the much less charismatic Tom Pinfold. And they make the mistake of having a third-party narrator which very much hurts the sort of "immersion" aspect compared to those other two series. This has the feeling more of a boring documentary as she drones on in the background with narration rather than something more immediate and interesting. The series is set 15 years into the reign of Henry VII...about the year 1500. Not a lot of major revelations or interesting period methods, although Ruth, as usual, is always doing interesting stuff in the kitchen. I do think the narration squeezes the life out of this format. The previous series worked because they were more of the "show me" rather than "tell me". And when they did tell, it was the person doing the actual work who explained things….not some disembodied all-seeing narrator. I'll watch more because it's not bad. There's also Wartime Farm from 2012 that does preserve the original trio of Alex, Peter, and Ruth. But it's available only on Acorn TV. Maybe a free trial period would be the thing to do. There are also some "bonus" season two episodes (three in total) of Victorian Farm...but only available on Acorn TV.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 17, 2022 6:24:14 GMT -8
Secrets of the Castle is another series (one season, 5 episodes) on Amazon Prime that features Ruth, Peter, and Tom (not Alex). This is yet another documentary centering around Guédelon Castle in Treigny, France. I had previously seen a different documentary about this project. In this 2014 documentary series, they said they were about 17 years into a 25 year project. It's a big project so I wouldn't be surprised if they're still at it. And I wouldn't be surprised to see more documentaries. Wiki states: Watching them actually build things is enormously interesting. You see the stone being carved, then being hoisted aloft by man-powered machines. You get the sense that it took years to build these great castles (because it indeed did). Ruth finds a way to make interesting the domestic and dietary situation of the support workers who built a somewhat ramshackle settlement around the construction site. It was noted that very often that villages that exist today got their start in this way.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2022 15:07:23 GMT -8
Secrets of the Castle was a generally excellent documentary. Rent or borrow this one if you can find it.
I have just two complaints (which is remarkable unto itself): 1: It would have been nice to delve deeper into the various crafts and industries. We are in "overview" mode for most of it. Just a bit finer-grain detail on a few things would have been nice. 2: I'll never get used to the interview technique whereby the person on-camera looks not at the camera but at some alleged person off-camera (presumably the interviewer, but this is surely just an affectation). It's just weird.
Other than that, I tend to agree with Peter's summation at the end of this. It was something like, "By golly, I think I now understand how to build a castle." I couldn't build one. (I could certainly so some grunt work, and there is plenty of that to be done.) But I know how others do.
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Post by artraveler on May 20, 2022 14:30:14 GMT -8
The amazing thing about castles is that so many were built in such a short period of time. Thousands were build from the time of the Norman conquest 1066 to about 100 years later. Even more amazing are the number that still stand. Not only in GB but on the continent also. Some were simple mote and bailey with wooden stockades and others more durable stone. I believe I might have watched this a few years ago and it does give insight into the entire castle building age.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 20, 2022 19:44:29 GMT -8
The program did mention that the Normans threw up a whole bunch of motte and baily castles. Here's an interesting page on that. And this link said a motte and baily took months to build but could be done in as little as eight days. Stone castles took around 5 years to build but 10 was not unusual. It also said the Normans built 700 castles (presumably including France and Great Britain). This relatively small crew in Treigny, France, are taking a lot longer. They didn't comment on this, but it might be no guarantee that a larger crew would be much of a help. The skills they are using are rare these days. And the French have probably always been the best at it. Although this is a BBC program and Ruth, Peter, and Tom are Brits, I think almost all of the skilled staff at the castle were French. Impressed on me is the enormous range of skills and crafts needed to build a castle. And the blacksmith was central because tools wear down in a day or two. Constant sharpening is a requirement or production on stone cutting would halt. And you needed roof and floor tiles, wood, mortar, and a whole assembly line of other stuff. It's a rather remarkable enterprise.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 20, 2022 20:13:19 GMT -8
This one didn't work so well, but this scene was supposed to take place around AD 1300. Perhaps this was an "eight-day" job, or maybe the craft had degenerated by then. Braveheart
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