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Post by Brad Nelson on May 7, 2022 7:02:04 GMT -8
Victorian Farm
A historian chick and two archaeologist dudes commit to one year living as they would on a Victorian Farm circa 1880. (The Victorian Era extends from 1834 to 1901.) They get a bit of a head start. This takes place on the Acton family estate: Lord Acton is a stickler for authenticity and helps to insist that period methods are used, although the Actons are actually very hands-offish and seemingly there more for ceremonial purposes. The Acton estate last had a working farm 50 years ago. Basically things (and buildings) are in a state as if mass abandoned 50 years ago...including interestingly some intact bottles of horse medicine. It would be wrong to call this a "reality show" for there is none of the goofballery and faked "realism" of the typical "reality" show. No one is hamming it up for the cameras or engaging in fake interpersonal conflict. Egads, this is three adults acting like adults which, if you think about it, is likely appropriate to the Victorian era. They have some outside experts and consultants who help them along with period techniques...or assist by loaning them a small herd of sheep or cattle. (They get some pigs too.) Job one is getting the stove fixed, for everything revolves around being able to cook, eat, warm the house, and preserve the abundant berries and fruits that have come into season when this venture began. Fifty years of dust is everywhere and must be cleaned out. They also re-plaster the inside walls. This sounds dull but without the goofballery, they get down to the methods and details and it is fascinating to watch. Did you know that they put horse hair into plaster in order to help it still to the walls? I didn't. I'm through three of the six episodes and it's just been a delight so far. And proof that TV need not be a wasteland. This 2009 series is followed by 2010's Edwardian Farm which is also on Amazon Prime. You can find one or two other ventures or editions (such as a Christmas special) by this same crew on Prime.
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Post by artraveler on May 7, 2022 9:14:43 GMT -8
Found yourself a new girl friend?
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 7, 2022 9:21:07 GMT -8
LOL. Although Ruth Goodman is not my ideal of a classic beauty, as a friend of mine says, "Beauty is skin deep but ugly goes deep to the bone."
I would, if I knew what was best for me, hitch myself to a non-bitchy, hard-working, light-spirited woman like Ruth and forgo all the c-word feminist beauties who would otherwise tempt me. More important in the Victorian age that she knew how to slop a hog rather than how to post hysterical ravings on Twitter. I could fall for a gal like Ruth.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 7, 2022 9:53:58 GMT -8
I had cousins in Alabama who worked at the US Steel mill, I think it was the pipe mill, but owned some hogs/pigs (I can't tell you the difference) on the side. When I was a little boy, I must have been 5 or 6 years old, I recall going out and slopping the hogs with them. Only after slopping hogs can a person understand what the term "eat like a pig" means. The way those animals rushed to the trough and pushed to get their share was amazing and a little bit shocking to a young boy. For some reason, I can still recall orange peels being part of the slop which actually looked pretty neat, as much of it came from fresh leftovers from the family meal.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 7, 2022 9:57:09 GMT -8
Sounds like an interesting show. I wonder if this is the same Acton family which produced the Lord Acton famous for, among others, his observation that "power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely"?
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 7, 2022 11:16:33 GMT -8
I watched some pig apologist video or documentary recently. It was about why pigs are considered by many to be unclean to eat.
The general theory was that pigs, in their native forested habitat, ate berries, truffles, nuts, whatever. But they never slopped around in mud. They didn't need to (in order to cool themselves) because of the shade of the forest.
But when the forests of the Middle East were cut down, the pigs did resort to wallowing in mud. Then, the theory goes, urban people started keeping chickens instead (more efficient to keep and use), making pigs expendable (and usable as a way for some religions to separate themselves from the heathens).
A lot of what-ifs. But Jews and Muslims still have prohibitions against eating pork. Pigs are still pigs. And pork is still a yugely popular food around the globe, no matter how gross pigs may be.
Funny thing is that in the second and third episodes of this series, they spend quite a lot of time fixing up a pig sty (more of a small house, really). Some families probably don't have dwellings this robust. It was also interesting that they embedded in the floor rows of wine bottles and then cemented them over. This was to provide insulation from the cold earth.
That's a lot of comfort for a pig.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 7, 2022 11:20:12 GMT -8
They make no mention, but how man aristocratic Actons can there be in England?
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 7, 2022 14:56:55 GMT -8
We've all used the expression, "As dumb as sheep." Perhaps that's become a stereotype. Perhaps we slander sheep beyond all proportion.
So, surely, when we meet up (as we do in episode one or two) with a sheep expert, we're going to get a message like, "Sheep are actually more intelligent than they are given credit. They are remarkable animals and real survivors."
But that's not what the sheep expert says to our Victorian farmers. He cautions the new sheep owners saying something like, "Sheep are the only animals that will go out of their way to find a way to kill themselves. So you have to keep a good watch on them. They'll do the unexpected."
Rolling on the floor, laughing out loud. That's how that caught me. Another stereotype confirmed.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 7, 2022 15:04:23 GMT -8
I found that guy to be extremely irritating. He talks like his audience is made up of a bunch of 5-year-olds. Perhaps it is. I wonder how many live pigs he has been around for any period of time?
His comment as regards Hindus and pork is an invention in that he tries to insinuate that the Hindus are against eating pork. The Hindus are against eating beef. Some are also vegetarians, but I have never heard any Hindu talk about the rules against pork.
As to pork, I can testify that the cleanliness of the pig's environment can have a huge effect on the taste of the pork itself. American pork tastes very different from pork in China; at least the pork I ate in the 1980s and 1990s when I visited the place. In the country, pigs roamed streets and ate all sorts of garbage and shit. Literally. I assure the reader that there was something fecal in the smell and taste of roast pork in those towns.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 7, 2022 15:22:53 GMT -8
Definitely the opposite sort of vibe to "corn fed." I don't eat that much pork, but I like it just fine. Watch the series, Deadwood, and you may never look at pigs in the same way again. This one certain Chinese man's pigs were used for body disposal. Better than feces-fed but still not quite as good as grain-fed.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 7, 2022 15:51:20 GMT -8
That makes me think of this. Mason Verger As I recall, more were eaten in the book. It was very descriptive.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 8, 2022 7:03:11 GMT -8
This series mentions often that the time period they are recreating (about 1880) is when industrialization began to take hold, and especially when many of the machines or products of industrialization (such as pie tins) became affordable.
In this series, Mr. Acton seemed to be some kind of a collector of farm implements and the crew thus had some at their disposal. In one case, all they had to do was free a piece of equipment from the weeds that had grown up over it. In other cases, pieces of equipment were borrowed from neighbors.
They're a bit blurry about this point, about what a small farmer might have purchased for himself and what might have been available to borrow or rent.
They make an interesting point that vegetables were more or less a luxury item. If you wanted them, you had to grow them for yourself. Poor houses and orphanages, for instance, likely had no vegetables on the menu and instead had potatoes and other high-carbohydrate foods.
But at this time there were some items available to the average farmer at reasonable prices, such as sugar. Due to the slave trade, sugar was a rather inexpensive commodity, and thus it helped bring forth the production of much jelly and jam.
Coal was coming online big-time at this time, replacing wood as the fuel of choice. Probably Ruth Goodman presented the most information in regards to what it was like to live at that time with information on food, clothing, methods of cleaning, and many other aspects (including cheese making). She notes, for instance, the different cooking methods that coal required. Coal was a dirty fuel. Unlike with wood where you might very much want the smoke to infuse your food, with coal the job was to separate it. Thus baking and boiling became more prevalent.
They do a cheese-making segment. But one of the flaws of this series is that you see many things started buy don't necessarily follow them through. I suppose it was part of the challenge of condensing a year into six episodes. By the way, Goodman had her young daughter helping her with the cheese making and she's quite a looker.
Stressed frequently in this series was that industrialization was driving many people back to many traditional practices, if only out of a sense of nostalgia. But many of the local farmers they talked to were frank: They preferred the machines. Farm work was literally back-breaking work. And as one fellow said, "Hard work won't kill you but it might bend and reshape your body." Or something like that.
But the participants in this series were all hard-workers and genuinely sad to have to leave their life. We don't really ever get the sense that a year has gone by. It seems as if they've been at it only a few weeks. But they all were fairly competent people and (at least on film) no major mistakes were made. Whether he was blowing smoke for the camera or not, their local sheep expert complimented them on the job they did with their sheep over a year. All the ewes (with a donor ram from this expert) became pregnant and gave birth. The had quite an increased flock at the end of the year and all the lambs made it.
The hard work looks honest and perhaps even fun. But I didn't find the food all that appealing, although Goodman seemed very knowledgeable about food-making techniques and seemed to be a splendid cook. It sort of is what it is. You'd better like boiled mutton or the things made from a pig's head or you're going to starve. But as noted by Goodman or one of the men, when you've been out working hard all day, you definitely have an appetite for things that a regular city-dweller would have turned his nose up at, including many fatty foods.
I might take a look at the first episode of the next series, Edwardian Farmer.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 8, 2022 11:58:53 GMT -8
This is why I urge people not to get their history from TV. Where to start? Yes, slavery in the Caribbean was built around the sugar trade. But Haiti, which was, I believe, the world's largest sugar cane producer broke away from France around 1804. No more slaves. Slavery was completely abolished in British ruled areas in 1833. Later in the 1800s, the Dutch East Indies became a huge supplier of sugar, but the labor was done by contract workers from India and China. More importantly, the invention of improved sugar refining and discovery of producing sugar from beets were the most important reasons for the decreasing price of sugar. That is---technology and industry brought about the increase of supply thus the decrease in price. Long before 1880 there would not have been a teaspoon of slave-produced sugar in the British Isles. SugarSugar Cube I am not saying to take what the above two links as Gospel. They are to give the reader a small idea of what happened with the growth, use and improvement in sugar. We should remember that much of what we today consider as the norm, came out of the Victorian Era.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 8, 2022 12:13:26 GMT -8
This comports with my experiences in Asia. Farmers, peasants and poor people in general are happy to use ugly plastic cartons, cheap plastic tarps and putt-putt motorcyles as these are all useful and make life easier.
Only wealthy people who have never done physical work for 10 hours per day on a regular basis, or have never been at the mercy of the vagaries of the weather, pine for the good-old days-of-yore when everybody, but the aristocracy lived on the edge.
To understand this doesn't require a lot of thought. All one has to do is figure out the difference between using an old reel lawn mower vs. a new self propelled one. Or maybe the difference between walking ten miles and driving it.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 8, 2022 12:26:49 GMT -8
British food is famous (infamous) for its tastelessness/drabness. It has long been said, and I still believe it true, that the best meal one can get in the U.K. is breakfast. (Other than foreign food such as Indian and Italian.)
That said, meat and gruel made from various grains were long the basis of European dining. This is not surprising given the impossibility for people to keep most food for more than a few days due to spoiling. Grains could be kept for long periods. One of the reasons pork was so popular in Europe is that it could be preserved as salt pork. Salted fish was similarly popular. This was not possible with beef. Beef was more popular in the USA, but only really became hugely popular with the invention of refridgerated rail transport.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 8, 2022 18:47:34 GMT -8
I don't remember if it was Ruth Goodman who mentioned the slavery issue in regards to low sugar prices. But you could email her (agent) at vicki@take3management.com and relay the information you have and see if she responds.
I'm three episodes into Edwardian Farmer. This is the exact same formula with the exact same people. And that's fine because the formula and people are pretty good although there is much less a sense of three people moving into a strange place and living there. Basically this seems less a "live in that world" venture and more of a demonstration of technology and techniques. I find less sense of the "living there" aspect if only because they are doing projects seemingly all over Morwellham Quay in Devon.
An interesting factoid is that apparently wheat was not a good cash crop in the Edwardian era because of cheap American imports. The theme of this series is that farmers needed to diversify, including having "market gardens." Somewhere (I don't know where….the sense of place is sort of lost in this second series) Ruth is reinvigorating part of an old market-garden strawberry patch.
The boys were advised to plant oats (for animal and human consumption) rather than wheat. There was an interesting bit at the end of episode three about hedgerows and their maintenance. I'd never thought much about hedgerows but they do need to be maintained (lest the sheep escape into another field). And the way they do it is sort of strange but I guess it works.
And apparently hedgerows are renowned for outputting lots of various berries that you can harvest during various times of the year. Ruth picked some sloe berries and is going to make sloe gin out of them. And from what I can see, this basically means flavoring existing gin.
Ruth is cooking (I think) still on a coal stove. But she notes that at this point, coal was fast giving way to gas stoves. They've certainly packed a lot of different activities and crafts into these first three episodes, including making a feeding trough for the sheep out of a solid block of granite.
The producers are obviously in touch with a lot of local experts because they are constantly brought in to explain some long-forgotten art or craft. There are people out there keeping this stuff alive although often there might be only a few left. I think they said in the Victorian series that the guy making woven baskets out of (I forget which type of tree) lumber was the last known guy with that skill.
These are the guys who can survive a Zombie Apocalypse. The extent of the skills most of us have is swiping a debit card on a supermarket card reader. These old-timers can raise animals, fix things, and live off the land. Give them a Shire horse and they could remake the world...or at least a few dozen acres of it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 8, 2022 18:53:01 GMT -8
In Edwardian Farm, Ruth does a nice demonstration of salting a side of pork. She also preserves another chunk via smoking (making bacon, I think). What I would never have guessed is that cool smoke, not hot smoke, is required for proper smoking. I guess you do not want to cook the meat with the smoke. I never knew that. I've never smoked any meats.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 8, 2022 20:10:30 GMT -8
This man invented the process which made the possibility of large quantities of cheap cane sugar possible. Note that he invented it in the 1840s and it was well established within ten years. A large jump in the consumption of sugar in the U.K. pretty much coincides with this period. (Abt 1845-55) After the ban on slavery in 1833, there was some shift from other Caribbean producers to Cuba, a country which outlawed slavery later than the Brits, so I must correct my statement that there was no slave-produced sugar in the U.K. in 1880. There very well could have been. Evaporation refining
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 9, 2022 8:37:01 GMT -8
You've made a good case, Mr. Glucose.
Ruth brought up another interesting point while cooking a sheep's head. That was the cheapest cut from the carcass. But apparently you could still get a lot of meat out of it. And you could eat the brains and eyeballs. It didn't look all that appealing. But it was a good historical look at what might-have-been on some tables.
Ruth noted that with the explosion of imported sheep from Australian and New Zealand, the price of lamb came way down so even relatively average families could begin to afford better cuts.
Chicken was still (at least in the early Edwardian age) a bit of a luxury food. But Ruth did slaughter a chicken and made a nice curry for dinner. She said that curry was actually very popular, even way back when. I assume it was the influence of their Indian colony but no mention was made of this for some reason. Maybe that is just so bloody obvious to a British audience that no mention was needed.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 9, 2022 13:03:15 GMT -8
Very interesting. That's not in the purview of the Victorian or Edwardian farm. But it's these types of historic details that they often delve into.
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