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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 30, 2022 15:35:44 GMT -8
I'm about 40% into this. I've read (I think) some extensive excerpts previously. And we all have, of course, discussed this before. It appears to be a somewhat short book and certainly an easy read.
I won't get into personal attacks on the main participants. We all know they are scuzzballs. What I find interesting is that idiots, such as the CEOs of Safeway and Walgreens, fell completely for this woman and her idea. And it's sometimes not certain which held more sway with them.
As Timothy would say, to be fair (and we must always be fair), this was occurring around the time of Obamacare and escalating health care costs. The Republican CEO of Safeway was for Obamacare and he foresaw the bankrupting of Safeway because of these rising costs of his employees.
And many of these primary CEOs had some personal tragedies occurring to family members at the same time. The idea of a cheap, quick, blood test that could within minutes diagnose an illness (or impeding illness) was a really Big Idea.
From the get-go, the consultant that Walgreens hired smelled a rat but he was ignored. The rest of this tale is full of the kind of twisted dynamic that challenges my skills to describe. No doubt this kind of behavior is common (if not also near the majority) in big business. These are scuzzy people using somewhat ruthless means and treating people badly. But there's ultimately a bullshit detector: Are they providing a product or service that is making the company money?
Steve Jobs was every bit the asshole that Elizabeth Holmes is. It's just the Steve Jobs actually put his ideas into tangible and marketable products. From what I can see so far, Theranos never had a product. They had the idea of a product. Whether they developed something a little more concrete that appears later in the book, I don't know. But it's remarkable that it would appear that the principles of Tehranos started the company on smoke-and-mirrors and then just used a combination of Steve-Jobs/Girl-Power combined with bullying tactics to rope others into their Big Dream.
I know we must put moral blame on Holmes and her associates. But all of this was fueled by Walgreen and Safeway. Both CEOs were thoroughly smitten by the women and by the idea she was selling. Jesus H. Christ, Safeway spent more than 100 million dollars remodeling their stores for a special "Wellness" center when there was in no way, shape, or form even a prototype yet to test.
So, yeah, blame Elizabeth for bamboozling these guys. But they made it easy. And don't get me wrong. I would flog this chick given half a chance. And there's one particularly pathetic story of a top engineer (Ian somebody) who was so upset with how he was treated at the company that he committed suicide. Ever heard of quitting and finding another job? There was a dynamic there I just don't get.
My take-away from this so far has little to do with fraud or the abuses of big business and more to do with the kind of elements that go into making these people. From all angles it does appear that they are acting like spoiled children. I mean that there are no adults in the room. And strangely enough, when a rare adult does enter the room and calls bullshit, they are ignored and often vilified.
I just can't help thinking that this behavior is what you get for handing out gold stars and participation trophies just for showing up. There is a decided disconnect between ideas and reality. And that, really, is the story of Theranos, if not much of our culture at large.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 31, 2022 7:09:12 GMT -8
One could say that the central thing that fueled this fraud was money. But a large motivating factor for Walgreens was FoMO (fear of missing out). They were deathly afraid that if they didn't get in early with Theranos that their main competitor, CVS, would. This was also true to some extent for Safeway. (Walgreens would have the drugstore exclusive to this new blood test technology and Safeway would have the exclusive for grocery stores.)
And certainly the idea that a silicon valley startup company might revolutionize some aspect of the health care industry was a credible overall idea. But what certainly fueled the credulity was everyone's desire to see a female CEO major success (basically the first) of a silicon valley startup.
And no one was less fawning than George Shultz:
Shultz's grandson went to work for Theranos. Not being a complete idiot, he soon discovered that they didn't even have a working prototype. They were using competitor's devices (Seamons, for example) to do much of their analysis. When the used their own devices, the results were wildly unreliable. His grandson fairly quickly quit, but not before giving the full scoop to his doddering grandfather: There was not even a halfway viable product yet and most of the claims the company were making were exaggerated or false. The idiot grandfather basically patted his grandson on the head and said, "You just run along now and find a career elsewhere. I trust Elizabeth."
And who wouldn't? The board of directors she had assembled was astonishingly solid (with a Stanford and The Hoover Institute connection for most of these). It included. George Shultz, Jim Mattis (who Mr. Flu labeled "Clearly a scumbag" in another discussion...I don't disagree), Henry Kissinger, Sam Nunn, among others. And they had as council one of the most renowned lawyers in the country, David Boies, who was associated with a number of high-profile cases. He had grilled Bill Gates for 24 hours as a hire for the Justice Department in their investigation of Microsoft. He helped overturn California's Prop 9 that outlawed gay marriage, and he represent Algore before the Supreme Court in the 2000 presidential election.
So by all appearances, Theranos was quite obviously a serious company, backed by all these well-known (supposedly) conservative types who vouched for Elizabeth Holmes. But the board was smitten with her rather than having any real grasp of the state of Theranos' technology or potential. (And the scumbag lawyer accepted stock instead of cash for payment, so he had a vested interest.) In fact, it was said that if you had a basic college background in chemistry, you would understand that what Theranos was trying to do was difficult, if not impossible. Theranos claimed they could do dozens of tests from just one little drop of blood. But there are problems with this. Many of the various types of blood test simply require more blood. And with any sample (particularly a small one), some blood is lost just in the taking-and-transferring procedure.
Not that some breakthrough technology wasn't at least theoretically possible. But other, more mature (and better funded), companies had struggled with this for decades. There were some inherent barriers to miniaturization.
But Elizabeth pretended to be a female Steve Jobs, had (apparently...I don't see it) a magnetic personality, and people wanted to see a woman succeed. It is Obama all over again. Although he was in no way qualified to be president, people wanted to see a black president just because he was black. The same with "climate change." People don't care if there is real evidence for it or not. They just like the idea and like being associated with the idea.
And I wouldn't say the writer of this book has pulled too many punches or been too politically correct. But this one paragraph made me laugh out loud. It's a subtle point at first. See if you spot it. He is writing about one of the employees of Chiat/Day, Kate Wolff, who was handling the Theranos account (the same ad agency that did the famous Apple ads, and Elizabeth was aping about everything that Steve Jobs did, include leasing a car every six months so that she could drive around, like Steve did, without a license plate...not sure how that works):
Whu..whu..what? Strong moral compass of a small-town upbringing? I read that paragraph three times to see if I was reading it right. Yes, I was. Later it mentions that Kate's "wife" is a chick named Tracy who was chief resident at Los Angeles County General. At least some of this stuff is good for a chuckle.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 31, 2022 9:03:55 GMT -8
I may have mentioned it elsewhere, but I see this fact as a sign of the hollowness of our elites. That the "best and the brightest" were so gullible and too lazy to do the proper due diligence shows, in my mind, that the lack of quality at the top has been around longer than many believe. As I have said before, one of the main goals of the American education system is to discover and instill conformity in those who make it through a minimum of 16 years of schooling. Everyone thinks alike and it takes an outsider to see reality when this contradicts what the elites believe or wish to believe.
That's interesting. I had previously read that this disagreement caused some severe strains in the family. I can understand it. Think how you would react as a parent. Your father invests in a company. Your son, i.e. your and your father's blood, who is well educated, goes to work for that company. This son discovers that the company is a fraud and, trying to do the right thing, tells your father the truth. Your father belittles and brushes the boy off in a less than respectful way and tells him he doesn't know what he is doing.
As the boy's father, I can tell you I would not react well to my father if he did such a thing. Just the fact that the boy found the guts to see what he saw and tell his grandfather demands respect. Not being a diplomat, if my father didn't apologize to the boy when the truth came out, I would remind him of his arrogant mistake whenever the opportunity presented itself.
I can only figure out two reasons for Schultz to have acted in such a manner. 1) He was just another arrogant prat who mistakenly believed that success in one area made him believe he was intelligent in all areas, or some variation of that theme, or 2) He had invested so much in money and effort, and had convinced others to do the same, that he couldn't admit or even see that the whole thing was a house of cards. Either way, his grandson's revelation was unwelcome news.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 31, 2022 9:17:26 GMT -8
Yes. Yes. A thousand times, Yes. That's what I was thinking when reading this. Dumb-asses. I was never impressed with George Shultz. Note that this asshole writer forwarded the idea that Shultz won the cold war. I believe Reagan and John Lehman had something to do with that. Shultz was a bland functionary who probably couldn't tie his shoes without a directive. But supposedly he was loyal and competent in his own way.
And he certainly didn't want to contradict what the "elites" believed.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 31, 2022 9:27:24 GMT -8
I laughed when I read that line. In the first place, it is so simplistic as to be stupid, forget about the veracity of it. By the way, it is a lie.
Perhaps the writer was taking poetic licence to emphasize the ridiculousness of it all. You know, "man who won the Cold War suckered by brilliant bimbo blond" sounds more exciting than, "drab bureaucrat was too lazy or dumb to see through young chick's clearly cracked scheme."
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 31, 2022 16:09:41 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see if Shultz pulls out in time to avoid the scandal sticking too much to him. Don't ruin it for me if you know.
And from reading about Elizabeth and Sunny, these two should have a bullet in the head. This wasn't just some investor scheme to defraud Grandma out of a little money, as egregious as that is. When Theranos went "live" with a dozen or so health centers in Tuscon, they were quite literally playing with people's lives. They knew there product didn't work.
At just about after the midpoint of the book, a Wall Street Journal investigative reporter is tipped at the situation at Theranos by an ex-employee. He realizes that Theranos doesn't actually have a working machine that can take just one drop of blood and do dozens of tests on it. In fact, in-store, most of the procedures (via the Theranos brand) still requires drawing blood with a big needle, although they would use the pin-prick process for some things.
This blood is then sent back to the Theranos labs to be analyzed. For certain things, they used off-the-shelf blood analyzers (such as from Seamons), some that have been modified to take the smaller pin-prick samples. Whether they used these modified off-the-shelf analyzers or their own "Edison" invention, the results were quite unreliable.
So this investigative reporter gets clued in on all this and decides to check with doctors whose patients had used the "Wellness" centers in Walgreens and got results back from Theranos. He found multiple cases where real expense and mischief was caused by these inaccurate results. Only (at this stage of the book) careful double-checking by doctors (using the more traditional companies and processes for analyzing blood) saved real harm.
Many patients came back with Theranos blood-tests that signaled that they were deathly ill. One doctor would have used these results to increase the dosage his patient was taking which could have had dire effects on her unborn baby. Luckily he got a second blood test and found that his patient was fine.
The author cites several samples like this. There is also the problem not just of false positives but of false negatives whereby a blood test comes back and say's you're fine when the fact is you really do have something.
So a bullet in the head of both Elizabeth and Sunny would have been too good for them. If you read this book, you'll have zero sympathy for them. They are truly rotten people. Truly rotten.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 31, 2022 16:34:12 GMT -8
Poke them with needles constantly for 24 hours a day, everyday?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 31, 2022 16:43:32 GMT -8
Another aspect are the employees. Many simply did the smart thing and quit. Many more seemed to stress themselves out. That one Ian guy (he was 67) even committed suicide.
The author is either not honest or simply has a blind spot. But I would speculate that a lot of brains were melting down from trying to assimilate two contrary ideas: "Elizabeth is Evil" and "Elizabeth is a Wunderkind."
A lot of these people could have gotten jobs anywhere. In fact, often they came from (as it turned out for many) better jobs. So by no means was quitting Theranos a career-killer. It would just be one more Silicon Valley dude or dude-ette changing jobs.
That dichotomy (the reality of some of these progressive Wonderkind vs. the actual) seems to me to be at the heart of what a lot of these employees were struggling with. But, as I said, some didn't struggle at all and got the hell out while insisting that their names be scrubbed from any patent, license, or anything to do with the company.
This aspect of liberal dream-shattering, as I said, is totally overlooked by the author.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 1, 2022 7:45:42 GMT -8
Oh dear God. I'm going to answer my own question on this with a paragraph from the book:
As noted, this was after the wheels had come off at Theranos. The story broke in The Wall Street Journal that basically revealed that Theranos was little more than a fraud. But…
This "presentation" was Holmes' last-ditch effort to stop the hemorrhaging of the company. She doubled-down on bamboozling but no one was buying it...except apparently for George Shultz.
To be fair, he was 95. He very well could have been a doddering old fool at that point. But from my vantage point, he seemed to be a doddering young fool as well in his earlier years. To his credit, Henry Kissinger did start to have doubts about Theranos.
Once the story in The Wall Street Journal broke, it broke the spell as well. Many people had had doubts about the veracity of Elizabeth Holmes. The author had noted that not one venture capital firm that specialized in health care had given her a dime. I'm pretty sure you're like me. I don't send $45.00 without doing at least a minimum of research on a product and competing products. But naive people were throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at the company without an ounce of due-diligence.
And the entire shtick of Elizabeth Holmes was to save people from a big needle by going to a pinprick device. But there is an inherent problem in getting blood samples from a pinprick from a finger, and it was no secret:
This was a well-known factor in the health care industry. You and I might not have known that. But before investing a hundred million of our dollars in a company that claimed to be able to do dozens of tests simultaneously from one pinprick blood draw from a finger, I would have consulted with an expert.
But they just threw money at this broad because, I guess, the Zeigest was "You go, girl." And this girl was no girl. She was a shark. She was a huckster. From almost day-one, instead of fixing and developing a new technology, Homes and Sunny basically just doubled-down on the idea that it worked and intimidated and threatened anyone inside or outside of the company who thought otherwise.
When The Wall Street Journal article came down on her head, Holmes then played the sexism card. One of the plans was:
Here's a woman who's only real attribute was that she was a woman, and one that could dispense nice-sounding bullshit to people who wanted a woman to succeed. So she got where she was simply by being a woman. A claim of sexism shows the inherent anarchy of feminism. You're a powerful woman, just as good as any man...unless and until you need to portray yourself as a victim. Stranger still was her aping of a low, man-like voice which most noted as being a bit strange. So she was basically "culturally appropriating" an attribute of a man – and "cultural appropriation" is a bad thing, right?
That Holmes and Sunny were horrible people is not news. History has been full of such people. What's interesting is how easily the fraudsters are accommodated and empowered by credulous people who let go of all rational thinking in order to embrace "The Big Dream." No wonder this cunt was friendly with Obama and the Clintons. They were/are all fraudsters of one kind or another.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 9:17:45 GMT -8
I agree that at 95 Schultz might have been a senile old fool, but he wasn't 95 when he started investing. I think this shows one the inherent lack of character in the man. Something was wrong with him. Did he see questioning Holmes as questioning himself? Could he not admit making a mistake? Who knows, but I can tell you that if I had been the boy's parents, I would not have attended the 95th birthday party if invited.
That said, I seem to recall that there was a reconciliation between Schultz and the grandson, before the old man died.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 9:37:41 GMT -8
I noticed this the first time I saw her on TV. It was clearly phony, an affectation just as that all-black wardrobe was.
As I wrote somewhere else, the first time I saw this monster on TV, I turned to my wife and said the whole story was fishy/a fraud. Yes, I understood a little about machine testing from my metals/mineral background, where everything is analysed, but even through the magic of modern technology I could see the woman was a liar and fake.
Had I met her in person, this would have been even more obvious. I have no doubt she would have smelled of phoniness from several meters. How these "captains of industry and government" didn't get a whiff of this, shows what real simpletons they are. Perhaps they could write wonderful position papers, good business plans, excellent proposals or expound on complicated theories of statecraft, but they clearly lacked the common ability to gauge human character. I am convinced that this flaw, along with a large dollop of personal corruption and greed, is one of the main reasons the country has been so poorly run for so long.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 1, 2022 9:44:13 GMT -8
I totally agree and that's what it seemed like from reading the book. If he was simply smitten with her, I could forgive that. What old fart doesn't like to be fussed over by some young chick? But there's no evidence in the book that they had any kind of relationship like that. But nor does is say that there was not. It's a bit of a black-box regarding this.
Even so, you don't throw your grandchildren under the bus because you've become infatuated by some younger broad. If they reconciled, that's good. I see no indication in this book that the grandson was running off half-cocked. He was (appropriately) aghast at what he saw going on in the company. And, of course, he saw correctly because it all came out.
The way I analyze this is that George Shultz wasn't a moral man, per se. He was a power-broker. Or parsed things in terms of power rather than right-and-wrong. The wrong the Elizabeth was doing was so bloody obvious evening a doddering old man of 95 could see it. But it didn't fit into Shultz's world view. And I think it had less to do with infatuation with her or a Grand Idea and more to do with how he just wanted to be around power.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 1, 2022 9:54:00 GMT -8
Perhaps you should read this book because the stupid, superficial "frat boy" element runs all through this story. They do indeed come across as simpletons. Although Jeff Bezos clearly did create a tangible service, you've featured photos of him before that makes him look like he's wired for crazy. Well... You indeed would have seen through her in a heartbeat. The real story here is why so many did not. And you're just not going to get to the root of this by a "mainstream" journalist. And it's not that this particular journalist didn't do a job. But it was nowhere near a complete or satisfactory commentary on what was going on. But that's what we do here...better than anyone else, I suspect.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 10:04:01 GMT -8
Schultz's first wife died and he remarried. This observation from Wikepedia about Schultz's wedding reception tends to confirm, in my mind, your observation.
What type of 77-year-old nut spends $4 million, or anything near that amount, for a wedding reception? He clearly did alright as a government employee.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 10:06:50 GMT -8
Yes!!! I had forgotten about those eyes. They were a real give-away. How anyone could take her seriously is beyond me.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 1, 2022 11:26:33 GMT -8
I had a similar feeling about Rush spending $1,000,000 to have Elton John play at this wedding. What? He couldn't find a nice all-veteran band or something?
This is not a stratospheric level of ego that I can relate to.
This is where most books and authors fall short. Central to the story was How could anyone take her seriously? And the author does delve into this somewhat: They wanted a girl CEO to succeed. They liked the idea of the technology as proposed.
That's all fine and dandy. But nowhere does the author explain why, for instance, Rupert Murdoch gave this cunt $150,000,000 of his money. And this, from all accounts, is a man who tends to be a little careful with his money.
The book says she had the same kind of "reality distortion field" that Steve Jobs had. That's fine. One can run into people who can be, at least momentarily, extremely persuasive. But so much so that you're are writing checks with 8 or more digits on them without asking some reasonable questions?
Left unexplained is why investors didn't even do the most bare bones due-diligence on this company. Certainly it is the nature of venture capitalists to take some risks, even based on hunches (as Murdoch did with Uber). Even so, I would assume they do at least a little research.
Part of the problem (although not an excuse for not doing one's homework) is that somehow this chick got a couple very prominent venture capitalists to sing her praises. And then it just cascaded from there. She had major players on her board of directors. She had the outer forms of legitimacy. But no one (or very few) asked pertinent questions about the technology that she was pursuing.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 11:58:27 GMT -8
Over the years, I have run into 1 or 2 such types. But I found their persuasiveness waned with every subsequent encounter.
One guy in particular was fantastic the first time you met him. Then his credibility and honesty were steadily damaged with later meetings. But some people bought it hook, line and sinker and invested a lot with him. At one point, he wrangled his sociopathy into a good living. I haven't had contact with him for over 25 years so I don't know how he is doing.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 12:25:21 GMT -8
I think the Theranos story gives an indication as to how the KFF fraud could happen. A couple of "authoritative" voices started the fraud rolling and the rest assumed that everything had to be fine. This is not uncommon in life. This Wiki bio of Holmes gives a good idea of how this might happen. I believe her advisor at Stanford is the original dupe, or conman, who enabled the enormous fraud.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 1, 2022 13:33:31 GMT -8
Wiki:
LOL. Nice revised estimate. And...
"I'm a victim." What a slut. The author pretty much busted wide this theory of "Sunny made me do it." She was engaged in the same sort of bullying and fraudulent behavior even before she met Sunny and he joined the company. And...
Reading this book, you get immersed in the echo-chamber of liberal award-giving. It was like Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize when he hadn't actually done anything. Over and over again Holmes is given one award after another. And she hadn't actually done anything...other than make false claims for her device and defraud her investors.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 1, 2022 13:37:41 GMT -8
They do this in order to continually grift off each other. Ego massaging for present and future profit.
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