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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 24, 2023 19:04:19 GMT -8
I agree to a point, yes people just desire to be left alone. But being "left alone" doesn't make a community. I think, no I know, people were much more neighborly 50-60 years ago than today. I believe we have lost a lot by just wanting to be left alone. We ain't all Garbo.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 25, 2023 5:53:58 GMT -8
Saying left alone, to me, means the same. I'm not suggesting we all retreat into a cave and growl at the bears. To be left alone, is government that is as small as possible, national, state and local. Business that provides service to the extent requested by the customer. Religion that doesn't knock on your door. So yes, the 50s were a much better time in so many ways. We can only remember them and pass the memories to family and friends. They will never happen again. My suggestion, write it down for your children, and the rest of your family. 100 years from now it will be a historical document. Those that follow us into the future will value the insight into our times.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 25, 2023 6:51:50 GMT -8
the John Wayne approach I hold to this one from the Shootist
I won’t be wronged. I won’t be insulted. I won’t be laid a-hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 7:27:45 GMT -8
Having actually worked with family most of my life, there's a lot of truth to that. You will find yourself yelling and screaming at family when you'd probably never do that with an acquaintance or friend.
Therein lies the paradox and drama. I knew in the back of my mind that having lunch with my older brother was a bad idea. But it's the job of family to stay in touch. And yet this older brother (my younger brother is much of the same mind) is getting a pain to be around, if only because of his non-stop complaints about his life.
So with a "friend," you would just discard such a person. With family, all you can do is have a good yell and rant and life carries one while you try to take it…
I'm not particularly enamored with his daughter's cheap-lounge-singer version. But she's family. What can I do?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 7:44:06 GMT -8
As I had hinted at, I had a protracted conversation with a neighbor the other day. He lives in the condos just beneath me (owns a unit) and is having a friend in from California. Given the terrible parking situation of that place, he wanted to rent a space for two weeks for $150.00.
Truthfully, I would have let him do it for free simply because he asked. But I took the money. I used some of that money to take my brothers to lunch the other day. And we already know about what they say about good deeds not going unpunished.
Anyway, this guy is a teacher at the local community college. His field is computers. He's white. Male. Straight? I didn't ask. But we had one of those long conversations where Professor Brad gave him the easier, less-controversial, slimmed-down version of Why the Way Things Are the Way They Are Now.
All this guy knows is that society is falling apart and that saying the wrong word can get you fired. He tells me that he drives the back way to his job because he's too often come close to an accident because of people who were likely on dope.
But don't get me wrong, he says. He's not against the legalization of marijuana. Why, of course not. And he got the "Society Needs Guardrails" speech, sub-chapter 7, condensed version.
Long story short, what this guy does at least consciously realize is that society today is chock full of over-the-top moralizers. And Less Controversial Speech #11 by me included the fact that this is ironic given that these same people had everyone on edge in fear the last 40 years about being taken over by the big, bad "Christian Right." They were going to tell us what we could and could not do in our own bedrooms, etc.
And, of course, given this 200 year history of this more or less being a Christian Nation, none of this happened. And none of this was ever going to happen. It was fear-mongering by the degenerates and revolutionaries on the Left.
And now, I told him, we have this other set of moralizers that is way worse than anything ever done by even the outliers in Christianity. And it's not outliers now. This hectoring and moralizing is mainstream.
I think he listened to me. I didn't get the feeling that it was just bouncing off of him. But, much like my older brother, dispensing with traditional morality has long been a sport. There is an entire mythology built up that, oh my god, If we don't let the perverts do their drag queen dancing in front of the kids, we could empower those most hated of all people – the Christians – who want to put as all in a chastity belt.
Hysteria, often man-made but woman-spread. No, I didn't tell him that. That comes in lesson #5. You can't start off with the reality of feminism because that is a bridge way, way too far for most.
But there is brewing some kind of consensus of just wanting to be left the hell alone. If Dr. Peterson were here, he might state that this requires men to face down mommy in the form of the various Karens and hysterical naggers. And for the men who support them, they just need a bloody nose, figuratively or literally.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 7:58:57 GMT -8
You mentioned once wanting to get together and more formally organize and write this stuff down. And that's a great idea. There are very few people spreading Normality, let alone writing down a record of what it is.
Your instinct is correct. My instinct, though, is that this could best be expressed through parody. I can foresee some kind of show on Netflix that poked fun at all the freaks, perverts, Karens, soy-boys, and such that infest our culture. Maybe there's this one family called "The Normals" who live in Wackyville. And they are always chipper and upbeat (they have to be in order to survive). And they act like a tonic to the people around them who have never seen normal people before.
Obviously this could start as a set of short stories or novels. But do you suppose people right now could be pining for Normal because they are surrounded by Abnormal in Wackyville? I think there is a distinct possibility. But they need guides to lead them back to Normal. We certainly agree on that.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 25, 2023 8:44:44 GMT -8
As to the difference between friends and family, I have long framed it as follows. "You can choose your friends, you can't choose your family."
Of course, my definition of friends is more along the line of that in Germany where friends are fairly rare, but acquaintances are many. In America everybody is a "friend". In reality, that is not the case.
Friendship generally takes years to mature. Perhaps this is the hold family has on us, we have been around each other for ever and know how we think about, and react to, just about everything.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 25, 2023 8:57:45 GMT -8
Last week, or the week before, I went back to the "Culture of Hysteria" string and was a little surprised how much there was there. I went through pages and pages and only got up to about March 20th. The string was only started on March 12th and before that we made comments elsewhere.
I have no doubt that there is material enough to write a book, but to edit it would be a major effort.
To try and put together the wisdom of R&T would be an enormous undertaking, but I am sure that the material here is easily as insightful as anything I have read from today's pundits.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 10:56:47 GMT -8
Our door is always open. Note that if you are some pervert on Instagram soaking in a tub pretending you are a woman with your face plastered on Bud Light cans in the background, you will have millions of "followers." Don't ask me why God made the world the way he did.
Let's make it simple for the masses: In short, the Progressive experiment is to see if society cannot progress better, further, and faster without straight, Christian, white males and their oppressive and "sexist" traditional morals.
With any experiment – if one is doing science (if only "social science") – one must be willing to access the successes and failures. The Left and their lackeys will not do this so there can never be failure. California is caught in this mindset. I see no easy way out.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 25, 2023 11:00:06 GMT -8
writing down a record of what it is. I have, am and will continue to write it down. So far, the autobiography, short stories and commentary total about 150,000 words. I have spread copies to my children, and adult grandchildren. In the fleeting hope that my mistakes can be avoided. Faint hope I know. We all insist on making our own mistakes. The real problem is not learning from them. Ego and general stubbornness slow the process to common sense, which is not common.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 11:10:21 GMT -8
This is good. Our forefathers had to fight for their freedom. This is in store for the yutes who will follow us. One generation pledged "our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Today's Americans – including conservatives – won't even defy things such as mask mandates. I don't see today's neutered boys and hysterical females being able to throw tea into the harbor anytime soon. Still, having a record of goodness – such as the Bible/Torah – is absolutely necessary so that people have a safe and sane haven to come back to for guidance. Nice 'n' Easy.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 16:28:42 GMT -8
I would surmise, Mr. Flu – and I may be wrong – that, historically, a sense of community in America came from: 1) One's extended family. In 1800, the average was seven children birthed per woman (and certainly probably not all of them survived). In 1900 it was 3.56 (no doubt more of the children survived to adulthood). In 2018 it was 1.73, which obviously is below the replacement rate, and according to recent data, due to depression and all, they are dropping relatively like flies. With an extended family, you had oodles of interests, especially with the families you married the children into or the ones who married into your immediate family. This is all but gone now. 2) School and church. We know how both have atrophied. And it is unusual now for parents in most parts to have much say in their schools. The little one-room school house has been replaced by a government program. 3) Barn-raising (figuratively or literally) and neighborhood. It has long been noted that what made America America were the multiplicity of small voluntary groups, such as the Shriners, Eagles, 4H, Scouts, Rotary, etc. There were historically so many, I doubt that I've heard of even a quarter of the fairly major ones. Most are gone or barely hanging on. In most cases they've been made operationally (but not actually) redundant by government programs that do all this inefficiently, impersonally, and with enormous amounts of fraud. But the needs are still there. These programs don't do much good because they are so impersonal and driven more now by politics than results. Most people nowadays don't know their neighbors and don't care to know their neighbors. And what groups you find are often (perhaps usually) formed around political "activism." That is, they are agitating. No wonder the community agitator, Obama, was elected president. And that isn't a throw-away line because it thematically rhymes. I think it's the very truth of the matter. People relate to "community" for too often in the vein of anger or grievance, even if there are ribbons and smiley-faces sprinkled on top. In historic America, there was a sense among most of "all being in this together." Only in this kind of country could a saying such as that from Ben Franklin ("We Must Hang Together Or Surely We Shall Hang Separately) have any resonance. But now the media, the entertainment complex, and government work overtime pitting groups against each other. Biden should be impeached and convicted just for the things he's said about ordinary Americans who have resisted illegal state intrusion. He has called some of them "domestic terrorists." You won't find real community as long as our highest members of society, including those in business and the media, are assholes. They poison everything. The modern American is morally adrift. We see the community he is making in Seattle, Portland, New York, Chicago, and San Francisco. We did not fight the British for this. Others have advised that the only way to start to take back America is precisely through the historic means that so powerfully did shape people and communities: small volunteer groups based not on agitation but fixing tangible problems...or just sharing good, wholesome American interests. We do that here to a great extent. We're part of H.W. Bush's "a thousand points of light" and all that – which he surely did not mean in this way, but it describes the task ahead of us. And every American also had the Garbo instinct, to be left alone, to be free from the busy-bodies. Community was to be entered into voluntarily because you wanted to, not because it was thrust upon you by the naggers.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 25, 2023 16:46:48 GMT -8
And every American also had the Garbo instinct. I tend to follow the Marxist philosophy. Grocho not Karl. I don't want to be a member of an organization that wants me as a member.
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Post by artraveler on Jun 25, 2023 17:00:39 GMT -8
But the needs are still there. These programs don't do much good because they are so impersonal and driven more now by politics than results. Very true, several years ago I served on the board of the local food bank. These were good people but suffering from the perception that they were hammers and the world was full of nails. the professional deformation I mentioned earlier. They had little interest in eliminating hunger, as that would eliminate their program. Instead the only saw growing lines of people seeking free or low cost food, most of whom were far from any kind of hunger crisis. Government has gotten into the poverty business and they fear the political blowback to end the gravy train. We can thank FDR and LBJ for most of it but every administration has built on free handouts. In this we are no different than the Romans, bread and circus.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 25, 2023 18:57:40 GMT -8
Precisely, Herr Artler. Precisely.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 25, 2023 19:27:24 GMT -8
I was thinking much of what you wrote, but didn't want to take the time to write down. Sometimes I am just too tired. Having rested a bit and watched three more episodes of The Chosen I feel refreshed and able to again pick up my pen, metaphorically speaking. The reasons you mentioned are certainly large contributing factors to the dissolution of community in our nation. I also think education, technology and wealth have much to do with it. From the late 1800s to the early 1960s the American public education system's first job was to make Americans out of all of us. We were brought up with a unifying message of America's greatness and possibilities. That did not omit America's mistakes, but it did not preach America's sins to the exclusion of everything else. One might think today's education system is set up to unify the students of the country to hate America, which is does, but its larger job is to divide and make everyone feel put upon in one way or another. That we are justifiably aggrieved for not being as smart, or as beautiful or as tall or as skinny or as white or as black or as funny or as fast or as strong and so on and so forth, as others. Equality is preached, but division and inequity are what is actually taught. Everyone is mad at everyone else for reasons real, and mostly, imagined. Technology amplifies the above with the proliferation of lies about how great this or that person is, and puffed up grievances about how bad this or that person is treated. This garbage goes out to tens, maybe hundreds of millions, who consciously or not are influenced by this nonsense. In previous times, these people might complain to family and friends, who would eventually say "enough already. Grow up." (Your lunch with your brother) Technology lets these people complain non-stop with others egging them on. Wealth has given many the ability to reject norms and family, both of which kept people tethered to reality in the past. Not so much today. A week or so ago, I heard someone define libertarians as leftists who wanted tax cuts. I think that is a pretty good definition. Finally, it has long been the goal of our sociopathic overlords, i.e. politicians, bureaucrats and plutocrats to keep people divided. They have succeeded beyond their dreams in getting the country split about 50/50. At such numbers, the people have little actual power. The rulers fill the vacuum. They don't want people to work together regardless of politics. They don't want communities in which neighbors help each other as that lessens dependence on government which lessens government's power. They want control.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 25, 2023 19:37:13 GMT -8
Exactly. It is in their own selfish interests to keep "hunger" going and to do so I have little doubt that they would exaggerate the need and change parameters of what defines hunger in order to keep their positions and public praise.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 26, 2023 7:09:14 GMT -8
Yes. Good point. That's a major part of it.
Yes. Absent teaching gratitude toward a Creator (or just gratitude in general), the Left has substituted grievance.
I caught a few moments of the WGC (Weirdo Grievance Committee) on a local station last night. And all it took was a few seconds.
They were covering what is euphemistically called a "gay pride parade." But these are Nazis with a Lisp. One person there (and he was such a flamer that "he" does indeed seem to be the wrong pronoun) was going on about "They are trying to erase us."
And it occurred to me that there is very little to be proud about in such people. They represent the worse of both sexes. They lack the masculinity of the male and adopt the worst trait of "emotional blackmail" of the female.
And although this small "man" with a faggoty accent would commonly be known as a "twerp," I'm pretty sure that his exaggerated gay way of speaking was not natural. I know there are indeed people who are born flamers. But I think at least half of their mannerisms and speech are adopted. It's much like the faux country singers who adopt that "country" twang in their singing and sound as phony as a three dollar bill when they do so.
Be that as it may, these meetings of the WGC are not about pride. It is about emotional blackmail. It is about trying to force everyone to support them to the nth degree in ridiculous and intrusive ways. You want to suck cock and take it in the ass? That's your business. But don't tell me I'm "erasing" you if I don't make your perversions front-and-center in every aspect of society.
Imaging there was a sewing club who wasn't just content to adopt new members and spread their craft at fairs and such. Imagine that they made a showy protest and demanded that every school have sewing clubs. And if they didn't, they would make showy protests in the street and announce how the lack of support for making everyone interested in sewing made them feel "erased."
This is how ridiculous these lisping bullies are. They are not proud. They are Nazis.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 26, 2023 7:25:45 GMT -8
I absolutely agree.
I can't remember if I mentioned this. But in my conversation with the community college teacher, he said something that was brilliant, even Rush-like. He said that social media was amplifying the worst traits of people.
I told him that he was, of course, right and brilliantly so. I gave him Marxist Speech 11b, subchapter 7. It's the one that notes that there is always some small percentage (3%?) of society who are sociopaths. One of the main problems with Marxism/socialism isn't just that this system doesn't work well even with the best people trying to run it. It's a problem because these systems that concentrate power tend to, for whatever reason, be taken over and controlled by the most ruthless and sociopathic of those among us.
Social media has given a "voice" (and an amplified one) to the most bitter, hateful, unhappy people in our midst. And as I say (and others do as well), step one in helping to raise your child is not giving them a phone.
You don't hear "Grow the hell up" much anymore. Instead, the idiot women (and their male enablers) talk about someone "finding their voice." There are so many euphemisms used to avoid the simply truth that most people just need to "grow the hell up" or "take a chill pill" or "lighten up, Francis" or "suck it up, buttercup" or "rub some dirt on it" or even "take it nice 'n' easy."
Notice that, in my opinion, this "stiff upper lip" approach is a male trait. Quit whining, etc. This is further proof of the predominance of female ways of thinking and acting where there is no end to "emoting," and every thought and emotion must be expressed without regard to whether it will do any good. And it's not that womanly things don't have a place. It's that absent the presence of that countering aspect that males provide, women will tend to go off half-cocked in emotional hysterics...just as men will tend to go off half-cocked and engage in violence and wars at the drop of a hat.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 26, 2023 7:28:17 GMT -8
Yep. That is the real danger of Big Government.
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