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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 9:17:05 GMT -8
At the moment I’m reading David McCullough’s The Wright Brothers. Eight percent into this, it has reached covering the bicycle craze (the “safety,” non-big-front-wheel kind) that is sweeping the nation. Wilbur and Orville start up a business repairing them and soon are making their own brand which is very successful. And with one of McCullough’s books you can be assured that if you don’t like it it’s because the material itself is just not to your interest. He is one of the few writers who can get to the point and move things along. The Wright Brothers’ premium “Van Cleve” bicycleWilbur and Orville’s father was a preacher. Because of duties in the church hierarchy and his desire to travel (aka “itinerant preacher”), he was often not at home. But he was (oddly) not apparently a bible-thumper. There was only one religious image in the house (a portrait of the patron saint of music next to the piano) and his children were encouraged to read the writings of “The Great Agnostic” Robert Ingersoll, presumably including Why I Am An Agnostic. McCullough writes: My first thought upon reading that was “What actually is their father doing when he out on the road?” Perhaps that’s unfair. But he makes for a strange bible-thumper. But he did very much encourage his children to read, to be industrious, and to develop their talents. I found this bit of advice from Wright father to be interesting: No wonder the Wright children were not Snowflakes.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 16, 2020 10:10:00 GMT -8
The Van Cleve bike looks like a nice piece of work. The only thing which I would question is the seat mount/bar. If that thing broke, it could cause some real damage.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 16, 2020 10:23:09 GMT -8
It looks about like I recall standard bicycles looking, but I never studied one that closely and it's been decades since I had one. (Elizabeth got one at a yard sale for possible use, but never got around to having it repaired.)
Incidentally, one of my computer courses at Purdue had a little sheet, basically a parody of modern technical paperwork requirements, about the Wright brothers and the bureaucratic necessities of creating "a feasible flying machine".
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -8
Here are some photos of the original 1900 Van Cleve Catalog. The claimed benefits are: Frame: Strong “tubing of best seamless quality." And “the fact that of the many hundreds of frames that we have built, not one has broken or proved defective in anyway…”. Fork: supposedly strong and superior Enamel: Five coats “of the best rubber baking enamel.” And “Our frames are carefully polished before the first coat is applied, and the enamel is put on with a brush; thus a much heavier coating is attained than when the dipping process is employed.” Cranks: “The patented one-piece crank which we use in the Van Cleve is so much better than to or three piece cranks…”. Hubs: “They are absolutely dust proof, and oil retaining to a degree that one oiling in two years is all they require.” Coaster-Brake: Then proceeds a description of the coaster brake as if it is new and innovative. I don’t know if the Wright Brothers invented this feature or not or just perfected it. Handlebars: You could choose the style you wanted. They apparently made one for a more upright posture and one that looked like it was for more of a racing posture. There may have been many other choices as well. Saddles: Needless to say, I doubt they had any gel cushion seats. It seems they had many choices but especially could supply an apparent brand-name seat called “Sager.” Tires: They didn’t make their own tires but do recommend those by Palmer, G. & J., and Goodrich (all, interestingly, made by Goodrich). Price: 47.00 not including extras and various customizations. I found an inflation calculator that starts at the year 1913. Close enough. That $47.00 in today’s money is $1,213.00. And that amount of money would still buy you a fairly top-of-the-line bicycle today. But you can spend up to $10,000 or more if you want. But from what I’ve seen, that $1213.00 should buy you a very good quality bicycle. The frames came in 22 or 24 inch. (My current bike is a 27”). You can get the forks square-forged, arched, or double. The enamel comes in black or carmine. (What color is carmine?) Other colors to order. Cranks are standard one-piece, diamond shape, star sprocket. “Notice—This low price only applies when payments are promptly met. Otherwise the price is $50.00.” They had a payment plan? Neat. Wouldn’t it be cool to go back in a time machine and visit their bicycle shop? I don’t know if they had a showroom full of pre-built models or would build everything to order, or perhaps a bit of both. But it’s clear they were going for the “upscale” market with an emphasis on quality (and thus safety). We shall thus assume that the seat mount on a better-quality Wright Brothers bicycle would not break. Mr. Kung will be relieved. But it sounds as if you might be taking your life in your hands with the cheaper knock-offs.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 11:19:31 GMT -8
In the book it mentions that the Van Cleve sold for $60 to $65. That may take into account the price actually paid when you added some of the normal options. This bike was named in honor of their great-great-grandmother on their father’s side, “who was the first white woman to settle in Dayton.” A second, less expensive model was introduced call the St. Clair, “in tribute to the first governor of the old Northwest Territory, of which Ohi0 was part.” You can see a good photos of a modified (for aerodynamic experiments) St. Clair here at the online Henry Ford Museum. The Van Cleve is here.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 16, 2020 11:30:59 GMT -8
I can see the value of having a spare tire, but overall the St. Clair design looks doubtful, if nothing else for its low handlebars.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 11:52:23 GMT -8
As noted above, you could get various styles of handlebars. I assume this was the case for both styles of bike. And the low handlebars on their aerodynamic test model were probably slung low for a reason.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 13:22:56 GMT -8
When you hear of “The Wright Brothers,” you often think that there were two brothers and that was it. At least I imagined so. Or had simply thought no further about it. But there were seven children in all:
Reuchline (born 1861) — this is a man (interesting name…I wouldn’t have known). He married a Lulu.
Lorin (born 1862) — also somewhat of a unisex name. A man again in this case. He married Ivonette. Another interesting name.
Wilbur (born 1867)
Otis and Ida (twins, born 1870) — unfortunately died in infancy
Orville (born 1871)
Katharine (born 1874) — Katharine (so far) is described as a very sharp and forceful cookie indeed. Unlike many of her brothers, she attended college.
Here’s an interesting factoid about the more famous pair of brothers:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 16:02:13 GMT -8
Here’s a view of the Wright homestead and their adjoining Wright Cycle Co. shop. [ Original] If you Google Map their original home address of 7 Hawthorn St., Dayton, Ohio, you’ll see a more or less empty plot. I wonder if they moved the original building from Ohio to the Henry Ford museum in Michigan (pictured below). Or perhaps they built a replica, the original having been lost. Best I can make out is that it looks like the moved a whole lot of original buildings to the Henry Ford Museum. This Wiki article notes: That would be an interesting place to visit.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 16, 2020 16:09:57 GMT -8
It looks like they moved both the home and shop "lock, stock and barrel." Or should I say, "kit and caboodle?"
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 16:11:06 GMT -8
Yes, Mr. Kung. After digging a little deeper, that would appear to be the case.
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The bicycle shop was apparently a few blocks away from the homestead. But when they moved the buildings to Dearborn, they put them side-by-side. Here’s a collection of photos of their bicycle shop, inside and out.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 16, 2020 16:38:40 GMT -8
On one of our trips east, Elizabeth and I came across the McCormick mill, which is now something of a museum dedicated to his reaper. It also includes the mill grindstone and some pictures of scythes or sickles with some sort of netting to catch the grain. It was especially of interest because a friend of ours is a distant relation of old Cyrus. Not enough to be in line for any money, though, unless a LOT of people died.
I will also mention that in H. Beam Piper's A Planet for Texans, which I reviewed once in ST, the Alamo was carried off to New Texas and set down there. The narrator came across it was surprised to learn that it was the original and not a replica. Of course, that was fiction. (Since the Alamo, or to be precise the surviving portions of it, consists of two buildings -- the chapel and the long barracks -- we can't be sure how much of it made it. The chapel is what most people think of as the Alamo, though it was modified later to give it the "hump" on top.)
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 16, 2020 16:46:31 GMT -8
I find those photos take me back in time. As a boy, I would travel with my father during the summer. One could still see similar styled stores in West Texan towns in those days. By that I mean there were wooden counters and fixtures throughout the store. No stainless steel, but occasionally some brass. They were simple yet functional and somehow warm places.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 16, 2020 22:15:35 GMT -8
That sounds like Main Street USA in the past before strip malls, super malls, and retailing having become mixed thoroughly with the entertainment industry. Again, I’m not their core audience. Perhaps neither are you. I can howl at the moon all day. But at the end of that day, the malls that dress themselves up as entertainment palaces have pretty much extinguished the small Main Street USA shops whose retail space is much more homey.
To some extent, price has done that. And we’re no longer talking about a home town hardware store where you go down to buy a few nails and might shoot the bull with some of the regulars. Shopping malls are impersonal and are scientifically designed to shorten the distance between your wallet and the checkout counter.
That’s just the way things are. And if someone tries to build something retro, there have been a few successes. But they are swimming against a tsunami.
I think this is one reason Amazon and other online retailers are doing such a good job. I actually came to hate the retail mall shopping experience. With Amazon, I can bypass all that. But, oh, how I wish I could wander into Wilbur and Orville’s bike shop. And, in fact, the small bike shop where I bought my bike and have it serviced is an old 60’s-style (if not 50's-style) Main Street USA shop.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 17, 2020 9:32:51 GMT -8
I, like you, am not a mall marcher. I don't much like shopping, but will occasionally go into a grocery store or Sam's Club for some specific items. Since I generally know what I want, I don't have to spend a lot of time in either, unless my wife is along or they have food samples, which I will often taste. Other than that, I can't think of a store I have visited lately.
On the other hand, I do like to support mom-and-pop restaurants and there are two or three which my family and I frequent.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 17, 2020 14:19:04 GMT -8
I've never been in a Sam's Club store.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 17, 2020 15:10:57 GMT -8
I've never been in a Sam's Club store. In Arkansas you would be singled out as notorious and possibly dangerous iconoclast capable of almost any delusion . However, there are good reasons for limiting exposure to Sam's/Walmart the best is the PC culture that has infected the home offices of Wally World especially in regard to sales of weapons and ammo. Arkansas is a constitutional open and concealed carry state, but if you openly carry in a Walmart the staff is instructed to follow you around the store until the police arrive.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 17, 2020 16:13:25 GMT -8
It is a very different shopping experience from that which I grew up with.
I can recall the first time I visited a Sam's Club, because my father, who was in the wholesale clothing business and sold to large retail chains, took me to a new Sam's Club near his home. This would have been over 35 years ago. I had never seen anything quite like it. On the one hand, the interior design and display was just like a big warehouse. There were no fancy signs, counters or other types of lures normally used in retail. There was no closed off storage space because the inventory was stored on racks which rose almost to the ceiling.
Despite the basic look, the store carried a huge range of goods, much of it up-market. They sold Moet & Chandon Champagne just inside the entrance at a very good price. They also sold some better labels in clothes; not like Nieman Marcus, but still high quality. And their prices were much lower than other stores.
While this is commonplace today, it was quite something for the Dallas suburbs in 1984-85. Being in the business, my father was almost in thrall of the place. He had done a little business with Walmart and had met Sam Walton once or twice back in the 1970s, so he had seen the company grow over the years.
Sam's Club's basic model has not changed and they still sell good quality goods for relatively low prices. I got a 6-7 foot Christmas tree (fir?) for about $30. These days, we mostly buy some groceries or gas there. If I buy something a bit more expensive, I buy it on line and get free shipping because of my membership class. We also get money back on purchases, so between that and the free shipping, my membership fees are basically zero.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 17, 2020 18:09:05 GMT -8
I was about 13 and my father brought me into my first Walmart here in Fayetteville. Walmart #6. This guy in a ball cap was welcoming everyone at the door, "Hi, I'm Sam Walton and this is my store" I was suitably impressed. He directed us to the sporting goods section where we bought fishing and hunting equipment. Sadly those days are gone and Walmart has joined the ranks of the enemy.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 17, 2020 21:37:04 GMT -8
You guys make we want to take a look at Sam's Club. But there aren't any nearby.
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