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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 4, 2024 9:13:10 GMT -8
I would guess that that is running rampant in our age.
A most poetic description. We once had something like this:
But "Where no man has gone before" has devolved to fake men entering the women's locker room.
Now the center for weirdos and burnt-out drug addicts, and where the native population is eating their seed corn. The cannot be moved to either defend their civilization or to repopulate it.
That all sounds high and mighty. But I can't think of one decent and good thing that "the philosophers" of this age gave us. It was the ascendance of dead-head intellectualism, where men competed to outsmart the other with even denser and more obscure intellectualizations.
The man is indeed a splendid writer, although hindsight always tends to be 20-20. I don't know if one can actually say that this led to that in terms of centuries and in terms of vast regions. My view is that little bits of labor-saving industry and devices caught on here and there. Sure, in some ages those were discouraged, for religions reasons or just to keep the peasants dumb and poor.
But industry caught on, unmoved and unaltered, most likely, by what any grand philosopher said. And with the invention of movable type, the spread of knowledge became cheap (and thus the spread of dimestore philosophy as well).
As much as either the religious (with some justification) and the "Enlightened" (with some justification) want to put their stamp on the creation of the modern world, I can't help thinking that the unleashing of pure inventiveness – unleashed (for various reasons) from political and religions restraints – was the central part of the story. Capitalism, for all intents and purposes, can be given the credit if credit is to be given.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 4, 2024 11:07:09 GMT -8
That's an interesting way to put it, Artler. In the time of Jesus, apparently they thought his Second Coming was just a few years or months ahead. And if one actually talked and walked with a man who was raised from the dead, such people can be understandably forgiven.
I would say the standard Christian view now is that the Second Coming is a ways off. If Auschwitz wasn't time for it, then just when the hell will it be? It's a glorious future….but always in the distant future.
I would say the Progressive/Leftist/Communist idea, on the other hand, is that the glorious future can be had now. Yes, as a matter of fact (and of record), they are always chasing that "glorious future" as their naive (or just plain evil) dreams tend to be of the "one step forward, two steps back" type.
That the West is now a consumerist culture I take as self-evident. Christian or Jew, black or white, atheist or agnostic, the fact that we are all getting so fat tells you where our priorities are.
Yes, China could well kick our ass down the road. Islam will most likely conquer Europe in a game of sheer demographics. And technology and AI have the ability to transform us in ways that we can't imagine, and which could happen quickly. The last 125 years has brought so much change that we can't possibly look reliably into the future, no more than the Cult of Climate Change fanatics can predict the weather even 10 years hence. But what we can say with certainty is that what has been is now passing away.
Social utopias are always a busted scheme because man is the most violent, deceitful, and corrupt animal on Earth. His intelligence tends to magnify those traits. Only a deep moral restraint from a non-cult-of-death religion stands a chance of tempering our flaws. But religion (outside of Islam) is dying. And what is left is mostly transforming from Bible-based into Progressive (atheist/Marxist) ones.
And that belief system, as Dennis Prager notes, is the fastest-growing ideology on the planet. We can stick needles in it and lampoon its excesses. But it is now the default view. It holds the high ground on the moral landscape. And in concert with the material wealth of Consumerism, it has changed the basic religious stance of "self-denial" to various forms of mostly foolish "self-fulfillment." Women can become men, you know. And vice versa...emphasis on the "vice."
Say what you will, we have already lost the moral space in our world and I doubt that we'll get it back. Conservatism, for all intents and purposes, is dead. And the entire idea of self-government (once an astonishingly progressive, if you will, idea) is morphing into a Provider/client relationship (Morlock/Eloi) between the state and the consumer. The state exists to control and manipulate the consumer who has become thoroughly convinced that he needs the state more than he needs even God Almighty. As long as his belly is full and he is free to add to his tattoos, he is as content as a cow with a feedbag attached. Huxley's "Brave New World" is so astonishingly accurate in some ways.
Plus, I will add (I must add), no civilization can grow and prosper under the control of women. Yes, indeed, no civilization can go to war and destroy itself as fast as when men are running things. But civilization is a thoroughly male invention. Men are, and have always been, the great artists, inventors, builders, and poets. Women are of a completely different mindset.
Yes, women have accomplished some of these things as well. But even as they do so, they prove the rule, for feminism is ultimately about women escaping their biology. And because men are their main competitors, feminism has tried to make of them into surrogate men (as well as transforming men into emasculated eunuchs). And, indeed, that women have been as successful as they have been may show that the difference between the sexes (at least in edge cases) is not so great.
But we live in the by-and-large, and have to. Let's be honest. In Europe the women there are "nurturing" their own countries into extinction as they import millions of "refugees" who are fast replacing (and sponging upon) their own populations. And their appetite for entitlements (necessary, in large part, as a replacement for men) is insatiable. A capitalist, innovation-based society will never spring forth from one controlled by women.
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Post by artraveler on Feb 4, 2024 12:45:43 GMT -8
In the time of Jesus I once wrote an article on how Jesus was the first Libertarian. I still hold to that opinion. Jesus quality was to refuse the temptations of Ha-Satan. He refused to prove his divinity by jumping off a cliff and having angels save him. He refused to be worshiped as the sole provider of food by not turning stones to bread. And lastly he refused to come down from his cross. All of these qualities the all modern leftists, almost all democrats and some republicans do not have. Of course, almost no one in the 1st century had them either. However, those that came closest to the Jesus ideal were, IMHO, all Jewish. As contemporary religions become more and more "experience" religions the philosophical differences between them disappear into the uni-religion of leftism/socialism/communism/enviromentalism. We may have churches 100 years from now but the differences between them will be negligible if any. Fortuantly, we will not see the FRI-HBPC (First Roman Islamic--Hindu Baptist Presbyterian Church).
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 4, 2024 15:21:44 GMT -8
It's called history, which is looking at and trying to assess and interpret the past. I am not sure I understand what your are trying to say.
P.S. No historian worth his salt would ever claim to have 20/20 hindsight. We only have partial information, thus sometimes have to make educated guesses as to how and why things happened. That is part of the difficulty in understanding everything.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 4, 2024 17:34:43 GMT -8
I had dinner at a friend's house last Thursday. Perhaps like Artler, he's actually killed people in service of Western Civilization, generally, and the United States of America, specifically (Desert Storm, and I think a couple sequels). These are the kinds of people you listen to. (He's also the guy who, as a certified gun instructor, is going to give me some lessons with my Glock 19...no charge. I'm ditching that other guy who was going to charge me fifty bucks and has already canceled out on me once.) His is a religious family. He was brought up Catholic but moved to Protestantism. Interestingly, his son (autistic) very much liked Catholicism, went to a Catholic school, and became one. And he has some big beefs apparently with the Vatican. Autistic or not, sounds as if he has a good head on his shoulders. Maybe this is neither here nor there. But I didn't get much push-back from him when I declared that much of religion in America had become more of a show. Entertainment. It flattered consumerist sensibilities but left the soul untouched. Instead of standing athwart culture and presenting the Bible as an alternative lifestyle, most churches have done the reverse. They've chucked the Bible and integrated worldly things in its place. As my friend pointed out, one of the main points of Christianity is the idea that we live in the world but are not of the world. He and his wife have toured a few of the Cathedrals of Europe. They can never be mistaken for worldly. They were built to take one out of the world. They were meant to be a reminder of John 17:16. Billy Graham's site has some good words on that topic. They were not meant to flatter us or make it easy to indulge in sin. They were meant to awe us and give us some idea of the transcendent God. God only knows how quadraphonic sound systems blaring the latest "hip" gospel (or just mainstream) tunes can do that. God only knows how He can be understood or approached if the ministers minister to our sense of entitlement, greed, and/or fake virtue. But I guess that's where the money is now.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 11, 2024 19:36:30 GMT -8
I am somewhat past the 50% point in the series. The last few chapters have dealt with the 16th century and the great upheavals which took place for political and religious reasons. The present chapter deals in some detail with Phillip II, King of Spain, King of Portugal, King of Naples and Sicily and ruler of several other areas as well as of the Spanish and Portuguese Empires. Phillip has been touched on in previous chapters, but this one goes into some detail about the man. Even before starting this chapter, I had come to the conclusion that Phillip was one of the biggest criminals in history. A religious fanatic and somewhat ponderous thinker, he reminds me of no one so much as Stalin, another religious fanatic. Phillip would lie, cheat, steal, kill and destroy all in the name of restoring Europe to the Catholic Church. Of course, he would do much the same for dynastic reasons, but his greatest crimes seem to have sprung from his manic devotion to the Catholic Faith. It was noted that he never showed disappointment when hearing of some failure, nor joy when hearing of some success. This brings me to another thing which both Phillip and Stalin would appear to have in common. Phillip's great-grandfather Ferdinand started the Spanish Inquisition, but it came into its worst during the reign of Phillip. Like Stalin's show trials. the Inquisition devoured its own. True enough it started out going after Jews and Muslims who had converted to Christianity, but it ended up condemning even those who were staunch believers, including bishops and even confessors to the King. Phillip did little to nothing to save those he knew were innocent as he required a unified state in which everyone was in line with the radical Church. This gave Spain, which was made up of many differing regions and cultures, a singleness of purpose and instilled the well know Spanish arrogance that flowed from their believe in their superior beliefs. I would bet that Stalin studied the Spanish Inquisition and made use of similar techniques. The Inquisition had its Catholic prelates sacrificed to power. Stalin had his Kamenevs and Zinovievs dying for a similar reason.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 11, 2024 20:19:29 GMT -8
Phillip II Phillip II is one of the most frustrating and interesting along with Elizabeth I they dominated Europe. Almost always in conflict their rivalry almost brought down both governments. When Elizabeth Finely had to execute Maryit was knowing full well that war with Spain was the certain result. In many ways Mary was her own executioner. Elizebeth intelligence service, headed by Lord Burley, was superb. Yet she incriminated herself in her own handwriting and Bess had no choice. Phillip's reaction was predictable, and the rest as it is said is history and Sir Francis Drake. Spain and Phillip survived the ignominy but after the armada was defeated Spain would never again be a serious challenge to English fleets. It makes one wonder would it have been different if the Jews and the Moslems had not been expelled in 1492?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 12, 2024 7:03:22 GMT -8
Remind me not to hire Mr. Kung for the write-up of King Phillip in "This is Your Life." King Phillip sounds like a right piece of work. Yikes.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 12, 2024 10:12:08 GMT -8
Having grown up in the Anglosphere, the history we have learned has generally been England centric. The Cambridge series goes into detail on not only Spanish-English relations, it gives the big picture on relations between the many different countries, principalities, duchies and other entities.
While it is true that Phillip and Elizabeth constantly sparred, Phillip's main long-term concern was France, which was in a constant uproar at the time. The religious wars in France were particularly vicious. The royal house was filled by increasingly feckless heads. Phillip wanted France to be Catholic, but weak.
The Low Countries, which included parts of modern France, Belgium and the Netherlands were also a major drain on Phillip's treasury. Phillip's father, Charles V, was born in the Low Countries and was basically Flemish in spirit. He only learned Spanish later in life, and even though he was Holy Roman Emperor, his German was not so great.
Phillip was completely Spanish and authoritarian. He was offended by the independence of the people of the Low Countries and ended up starting an 80 year war of independence which coalesced around William of Orange. The atrocities perpetrated by the Duke of Alba, and other Spanish grandees, turned many against the Spanish.
The interplay between the Italian states, Low Country, England, Scotland, France, Spain and the Holy Roman Empire is fascinating.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 12, 2024 16:23:41 GMT -8
It's probably wrong to ball up one's fist in protracted rage and blame too much on Phillip and the Spanish. But you wonder if the paper-trail for today's flood of illegal aliens into the United States doesn't have some foundation in the horribleness of Catholicism in South America as perpetrated mostly by Spain.
I would say thank God it was industrious England, not Spain, that (mostly) founded North America or we would be just a shit-hole socialist-dependent country looking to jump some fences for "free stuff" at our nearest neighbor.
Of course, we were already heading in the direction to become a shit-hole socialist-dependent country via our own means.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 12, 2024 17:59:14 GMT -8
I believe I have mentioned this before, but after looking into the subject over a number of decades, and having lived in a number of former British Colonies and visited former Dutch and Spanish Colonies, I came to the conclusion the Spanish were, by far, the worst colonialists. The Dutch were probably the next, followed by the French and led by the British who were the best colonialists.
Whenever the Brits quit a colony, they left a functioning legal system, good education system, decent physical infrastructure including roads, communications, sewage and drainage as well as an established government.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 25, 2024 10:30:09 GMT -8
I have finished the fifth-and-final free volume on Kindle. I can say that I found the time invested well worth it. I think I bookmarked and notated so much while reading that the Kindle went haywire and seems to have erased the whole series. It then reloaded it without my bookmarks and notations.
I will continue to read different novels and such for relaxation, but I will have to give some thought as to what serious subject I will tackle next.
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