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Post by lynda on Jul 5, 2019 17:55:04 GMT -8
"Note, it is very common for those that will not be convinced by reason to be provoked and exasperated by it, and to push on with fury what they cannot support with equity."
I had to chuckle at how relevant this is to the mindset of the present-day political left. This quote was written 300 years ago by Mathew Henry in his Commentary regarding an action in about 600 B.C. by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.
(Mathew Henry's Commentary, Volume 4, page 804; reference Daniel 2:11-12 Holy Bible).
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Post by timothylane on Jul 5, 2019 18:23:38 GMT -8
I'm not sure if Nebuchadnezzar had replaced his father Nabopolasser by 600 BC. What was the incident that led to this sagacious observation? There are certainly many reported in the Bible, and no doubt others from Chaldean records. (Incidentally, it seems that the name more properly was Nebuchadrezzar, which occasionally is used in the Authorized Version. I gather the best literal translation of his Chaldean name was Nabu-kudurri-usur, according to Asimov's Guide to the Bible.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 5, 2019 19:23:44 GMT -8
A lovely quote. A lovely, terrible quote. The internet and “social media” have become instruments of airing grievances and stoking dissatisfaction. People are getting addicted to drama and just being pissed off at everything all the time. Hyperbole and apoplexy are the norm.
I don’t get hot about anything unless you question my taste in movies. Chide me on what books I like. But don’t touch Casablanca.
In short, just look around you anywhere you go and you can likely glimpse examples of what it means to have so many around us living as eternal juveniles. And living in hair-trigger emotion is to live as an unruly 3-year-old.
There’s not a person who exists today who can meet this standard. But it’s a good standard. I’m fairly certain Paul had never glimpsed “social media.”
People are confused. Even good people are confused about what’s going on. They flail around for answers and almost always miss the answers that are right before them. Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Etc.
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Post by lynda on Jul 5, 2019 19:34:17 GMT -8
"What was the incident that led to this sagacious observation?" The King's advisors told him that no man could interpret his dream unless the King first told them the dream (which he couldn't remember). This infuriated the King, and he ordered that all of his advisors be put to death. In the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams; his spirit was troubled, and his sleep left him. Then the king commanded that the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans be summoned to tell the king his dreams. So they came in and stood before the king. And the king said to them, "I had a dream, and my spirit is troubled to know the dream." Then the Chaldeans said to the king in Aramaic, "O king, live forever! Tell your servants the dream, and we will show the interpretation." The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, "The word from me is firm: if you do not make known to me the dream and its interpretation, you shall be torn limb from limb, and your houses shall be laid in ruins. But if you show the dream and its interpretation, you shall receive from me gifts and rewards and great honor. Therefore show me the dream and its interpretation." They answered a second time and said, "Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will show its interpretation." The king answered and said, "I know with certainty that you are trying to gain time, because you see that the word from me is firm— if you do not make the dream known to me, there is but one sentence for you. You have agreed to speak lying and corrupt words before me till the times change. Therefore tell me the dream, and I shall know that you can show me its interpretation." The Chaldeans answered the king and said, "There is not a man on earth who can meet the king's demand, for no great and powerful king has asked such a thing of any magician or enchanter or Chaldean. The thing that the king asks is difficult, and no one can show it to the king except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh." Because of this the king was angry and very furious, and commanded that all the wise men of Babylon be destroyed. So the decree went out, and the wise men were about to be killed; and they sought Daniel and his companions, to kill them. Then Daniel replied with prudence and discretion to Arioch, the captain of the king's guard, who had gone out to kill the wise men of Babylon. He declared to Arioch, the king's captain, "Why is the decree of the king so urgent?" Then Arioch made the matter known to Daniel. And Daniel went in and requested the king to appoint him a time, that he might show the interpretation to the king. Then Daniel went to his house and made the matter known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions, and told them to seek mercy from the God of heaven concerning this mystery, so that Daniel and his companions might not be destroyed with the rest of the wise men of Babylon. Then the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision of the night. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven. Daniel answered and said: "Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding; he reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him. To you, O God of my fathers, I give thanks and praise, for you have given me wisdom and might, and have now made known to me what we asked of you, for you have made known to us the king's matter." Therefore Daniel went in to Arioch, whom the king had appointed to destroy the wise men of Babylon. He went and said thus to him: "Do not destroy the wise men of Babylon; bring me in before the king, and I will show the king the interpretation." Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste and said thus to him: "I have found among the exiles from Judah a man who will make known to the king the interpretation." The king declared to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, "Are you able to make known to me the dream that I have seen and its interpretation?" Daniel answered the king and said, "No wise men, enchanters, magicians, or astrologers can show to the king the mystery that the king has asked, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. Your dream and the visions of your head as you lay in bed are these: To you, O king, as you lay in bed came thoughts of what would be after this, and he who reveals mysteries made known to you what is to be. But as for me, this mystery has been revealed to me, not because of any wisdom that I have more than all the living, but in order that the interpretation may be made known to the king, and that you may know the thoughts of your mind. "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening. The head of this image was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its middle and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. "This was the dream. Now we will tell the king its interpretation. You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the children of man, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the heavens, making you rule over them all—you are the head of gold. Another kingdom inferior to you shall arise after you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things. And like iron that crushes, it shall break and crush all these. And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom, but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the soft clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay. And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever, just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure." Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face and paid homage to Daniel, and commanded that an offering and incense be offered up to him. The king answered and said to Daniel, "Truly, your God is God of gods and Lord of kings, and a revealer of mysteries, for you have been able to reveal this mystery." Then the king gave Daniel high honors and many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon and chief prefect over all the wise men of Babylon. Daniel made a request of the king, and he appointed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego over the affairs of the province of Babylon. But Daniel remained at the king's court. Daniel 2:1-49 ESV bible.com/bible/59/dan.2.1-49.ESV
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 5, 2019 19:51:22 GMT -8
For years the Dim motto has been, "Don't confuse me with the facts, I know what I think." But the king's ranting are worse and sadly similar to what one hears from modern Dims, who throw continuous temper tantrums.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 5, 2019 19:53:25 GMT -8
Part of my favorite verse from the Bible. I tend to think it could only be talking of ideal love, which would only come from Christ.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 6, 2019 8:33:11 GMT -8
I don’t know why, but when I read the word, “Nebuchadnezzar,” it sounds like the name of a self-driving car. And I’m not quite sure what that passage has to do with the wisdom of the ages, but having a king bow down to a foreign god (if true) is certainly cause for bragging rights.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 22, 2020 15:44:31 GMT -8
While going through my computer cleaning out old documents, I came across this wonderful piece of advice.
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao Tze
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 22, 2020 17:05:13 GMT -8
A nice piece from Dennis Prager touching upon some of the themes which have just preceded this post. God and the World
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Post by timothylane on Feb 22, 2020 17:35:18 GMT -8
My own response (the first to the article, at least at Town Hall) was to conclude that you can have fine art without religion, but the really rotten stuff probably only appears in the absence of religion. This doesn't mean all religious art will be good, but genuinely religious art (any art, including painting, sculpture, music, and performance) is performed to glorify God so the artist is trying to come up with something good even if he fails in the attempt. (I didn't explain it out in that much detail, and in fact probably hadn't fully worked it out yet.)
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 22, 2020 18:09:37 GMT -8
Prager's article mentions one of the main problems many people have with the idea of a personal and kind God, i.e. why is there evil and pain in the world?
I claim no more insight into this question than anyone else, but one idea has stayed with me over time.
Perhaps it has something to do with him wanting to give mankind the opportunity to grow and approach him in knowledge, understanding and goodness.
A robot who does not know that there is good and evil cannot decide between the two. It is merely programed.
Without knowledge and understanding of the inherent possibilities in creation, simply doing good is not commendable. If one does not have a choice there is no merit in doing what one does.
Without knowledge one cannot grow. One must have information to make choices. Information comes from experience of one sort or another, but personal experience is what moves us most.
Do you choose good or evil. Making a choice is a maturing process.
As to why there is so much evil and pain, one of the undeniable truths about the human race is that we humans are slow learners and very forgetful of what we have learned throughout history. One of Churchill's laments was the seeming inability of humanity to learn from the past. This being the case, there can be no doubt that we are in constant need of a reminder/demonstration of the difference is between good and evil. As I like to say, "It is one thing to be told what it is like to be kicked by a horse. It is an altogether different experience to be kicked by a horse."
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Post by timothylane on Feb 22, 2020 18:32:41 GMT -8
The Catholic SF writer Anthony Boucher dealt with this question at the end of his story "We Print the Truth", and his conclusion was basically the same as yours. Asked why God allows people to be evil, he notes that a parent loves his (or her) children even when they misbehave. Do you love the chess piece that does what you make it do? The robot may be an even better comparison.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 24, 2020 14:40:04 GMT -8
Clearly, this man watched all of the above nicely.
It is probably pretty common for people to make such promises, as they will very likely never have to keep them. But this man meant it. He is someone to admire and hold up as an example to everyone.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 24, 2020 15:07:45 GMT -8
Quite a nice story, which in fact I had heard about last night (I think it was the "feel good" story FNC often ends their 11 p.m. show with. Of course, it's easier to share the money when there's more than you could ever need even after splitting. As a matter of fact, on a rare occasion when Elizabeth got a lottery ticket with some such humongous prize (we rarely did it even then and never did so otherwise), we always figured that we would split it with our friends and family. When you win, say, a hundred million dollars after converting to a single giant payment and paying all the taxes, it's rather easy to do that. I'm not saying we would necessarily split it evenly, but I'm sure everyone would have gotten at least a million out of it.
I don't think it was ever announced, and thus a promise in that sense. But how much money do people like us really need? In fact, we would probably have listed the winner as a consortium rather than giving out our names (to have giant targets on our backs from scammers and worse). But we never won anything at all, so it didn't matter.
Actually, we did win some tiny sums when we had an office pool. It was so small the secretary who organized the pool and bought the tickets used the tiny winnings for additional tickets because it was hardly worth distributing a few bucks among a lot of people.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 24, 2020 19:29:26 GMT -8
Brad,
Is your birthday today or was it yesterday? In any case, Happy Birthday and many returns of the day.
KFZ
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 16:12:15 GMT -8
Thank you, Mr. Kung. My birthday was Friday. I heard you had one recently as well. When do we get to start counting backwards?
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Post by timothylane on Jul 26, 2020 16:20:17 GMT -8
You might want to include something that automatically includes upcoming birthdays where it will be easily noticed. I mainly go straight from "Home" to "New Posts" unless there's a specific (and not recently posted) thread I want to comment on. I trust you had a happy birthday.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 26, 2020 17:38:49 GMT -8
Incidentally, this discussion reminded me that my sister's birthday was a few days ago, so I sent her a message hoping she had a happy birthday. She said that nothing much really happened, which for her is a good thing. (She's the oldest of 3 children, and has the family curse, deterioration of the cerebellum. So far there's no sign of that in me, but she got it late enough that she had thought herself safe, so who knows?)
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 26, 2020 18:58:20 GMT -8
Yes, mine was yesterday thanks. As to counting backwards, I am close to the point where I can't count any higher so backwards seems to be a logical regression.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 26, 2020 21:02:22 GMT -8
Happy birthday, Sister-of-Timothy.
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