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Feb 7, 2020 16:02:03 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 7, 2020 16:02:03 GMT -8
Once China quarantined the entire province of Hubei (which is just north of Human and just east of Sichuan aka Szechwan, for Chinese restaurant fans), it was obvious not only that coronavirus was a serious threat, but it was far worse than China (and evidently WHO) is willing to admit.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:03:30 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 7, 2020 16:03:30 GMT -8
So....trust people (such as airlines) with money in the game. Not a corrupt U.N. organization. Sounds sensible to me.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:04:54 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 7, 2020 16:04:54 GMT -8
That does help put things into perspective, Timothy.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 7, 2020 16:09:34 GMT -8
The Chinese communists have exacerbated the problem by their lack of transparency. As is normal in such situations, people assume the worst when governments hide problems. (Something authoritarian governments are especially good at trying and bad at accomplishing.)
I don't believe anyone with expert knowledge knows exactly how bad this thing is. Despite all the articles you see listing the coronavirus cases around the world, the actual number outside China is small. And it is clear that the various countries have been handling the situation pretty well as not many people have died, outside of China.
A friend in Thailand advised that Thailand has the second largest number of cases, after China, but the medics in Thailand have done a good job keeping it under control. Apparently no one in Thailand has died from the virus. I have read that a number of people who had the virus have been cured and released from hospital.
In truth, I think the Commies in China made things worse for themselves than they needed to be. But that is something one expects from Communist Chinese bureaucrats.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:14:49 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 7, 2020 16:14:49 GMT -8
If what I am hearing is to be believed, it is now a much larger area under quarantine.
Don't forget, the Commies have known of this problem since early December and only quarantined Wuhan after the Chinese New Year travel season was well under way. At least 5 million people traveled out of Wuhan before the travel ban was imposed. And many of those in the area want to get out and will sneak away if they can, spreading the disease further from its epicenter. So the quarantine is pretty useless.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:47:00 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 7, 2020 16:47:00 GMT -8
It's interesting that Huanggang is so close to Wuhan. The latter was an amalgamation of three cities and derives its name from their names (particularly Wuchang and Hankou, though another beginning with Han was later added). I wonder if Huanggang may someday be added. Of course, if the coronavirus proves to be a big enough disaster, that would probably be a lot less likely.
Incidentally, this approach to combining cities in China isn't unique to Wuhan. Port Arthur (Lushun) and Dairen/Dalny (Talienwan) were combined into Luta. One of the history courses I took at Purdue was East Asian Diplomatic History in the 20th Century. Port Arthur and Dairen were very important in the various struggles over Manchuria. That's also where I learned about Yuan Shih-Kai (whose total opportunism led to his being first President of the Republic of China) and the Old Marshal (Chang Tso-lin) and his son the Young Marshal (Chang Hsueh-liang), Manchurian warlords in the interwar period.
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Feb 7, 2020 21:34:14 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 7, 2020 21:34:14 GMT -8
Here is an article in Saturday's "South China Morning Post" which touches on the same concern I raised earlier today i.e. the coronavirus fiasco is worrying the Chinese Communist Party. They know the peril they are in.
I may write a shortish piece tomorrow and try to put this in the perspective of Chinese history.
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Feb 8, 2020 9:40:14 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 8, 2020 9:40:14 GMT -8
Was he referencing Mitt Romney about that “grey rhinos” thing? I would guess that they would have his type too. Regarding animal names, there might be some faint hope that these Communists are all lame ducks.
Donald Trump is a bull in a Pelosi shop. Liawatha’s animal name is Running Beaver, or so I have read.
How much genuine trust is there? And how much is just acquiescence to the powers that be? Maybe “tolerance of” the authoritarian centralised system would be more apt. What say you?
Do “stimulus” programs ever do anything but dig the hole deeper?
Maybe a prolonged health crisis in China will act as a de facto tariff and spur growth in other countries. Maybe it’s time to Make America’s Manufacturing Great Again. Maybe the homosexuals at Apple could build more stuff here. Maybe the risk factor concerning the Chinese market will make India and other regions a beneficiary of new industrial production.
And who wrote this horrible next sentence?
It’s too easy to read “stranded in Hubei, Britain, and France” as a comma series. An ugly paragraph. Otherwise, this Chinese man who has learned British English is a rather good writer….better than most Americans.
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Feb 8, 2020 10:08:31 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 8, 2020 10:08:31 GMT -8
I think "endure" would be a better verb than "tolerate" for the Chinese people's reaction to their current emperor. They have a long history of it, so by now it's probably in their DNA.
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Feb 8, 2020 10:19:44 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 8, 2020 10:19:44 GMT -8
"Endure" seems appropriate from afar. I haven't read much from reliable sources on what the true Zeitgeist is in China. Are the people generally enthralled by the Communist vision of a worker's utopia or how do they view their life and country?
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Feb 9, 2020 13:37:18 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 9, 2020 13:37:18 GMT -8
An interesting piece which gives an indication just how far-reaching are the effects of this coronavirus fiasco perpetrated on mankind by commies in China. Cancel thatMultiply that thousands or tens-of-thousands of times and you begin to get an idea of the damage this thing is doing to those who are not infected by this germ and never will be. But they, like us, will pay for China's screw-up.
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Feb 9, 2020 14:46:40 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 9, 2020 14:46:40 GMT -8
Too bad the coronavirus isn't spread by mosquitoes. I have it on good authority that De Haviland isn't scared of mosquitoes.
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Feb 9, 2020 16:17:44 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 9, 2020 16:17:44 GMT -8
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Feb 12, 2020 10:37:35 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 12, 2020 10:37:35 GMT -8
One of the current memes in conservative media is that the way the Chinese Communists are handling the coronovirus will effect yutes’ attitudes toward socialism.
Anything is possible. Clearly Mr. Kung sees some overall fallout possible for the Chinese Communists themselves, so I do believe that cause-and-effect are in play.
Still, I think the main problem regarding yutes possibly souring on socialism is the central aspect of “good intentions.” Any yute programmed in the supposed superiority of socialism isn’t going be thinking of themselves and their system as potential monsters. They will be thinking exactly the opposite. They’ll be thinking “Sweden” as they’ve long been taught is the socialist dream.
We can split hairs all day (as the Establishment GOP, RINOs and moderates do) on what is “socialism.” We are fools if we believe that our public schools, Medicare, Social Security, Welfare, the minimum wage, and abundant other things are merely “social programs.” This is socialism.
And maybe it’s not all bad. Maybe “social programs” have their uses. I’m open to that. But the game we are currently playing, particularly in the so-called conservative media, is that — egad — one day a Bernie Sanders will come along and elected and we’ll then have socialism.
Well, we already do. There are different types and different aspects. I can admit than an all-powerful state need not necessarily be an Orwellian authoritarian one of violence and gulags. There can be soft gulags as well. There was an article I read the other day. It was either regarding the CBS reporter who asked tough questions regarding Kobe Bryant or it was something else. But the gist of it is that we already have this Orwellian environment — whether imposed by the state or by corporations/public-opinion. You can find it very easy to be wearing Winston Smith’s rat cage and being forced to say that two plus two equals five. That happens right now regarding the made-up gender stuff.
Given how confused even conservatives are regarding what is “socialism” (it’s always a good thing, and certainly not “socialism,” if they’re benefiting from it), we can excuse today’s yutes for thinking that their brand of socialism is not of the Chinese kind. Indeed, it is probably not although there will be commonalities (such as heavy state control on all aspects of life….as there is now through environmental policies, for instance).
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Feb 12, 2020 11:02:33 GMT -8
Post by timothylane on Feb 12, 2020 11:02:33 GMT -8
Some alert airport security found a suitcase labeled "cat food" that was filled with . . . dead birds. From China. The article read this in acknowledged the danger and pointed out that there are many problems in any given year with suspicious stuff entering. But still, one has to wonder if someone intended a little bit of biowar to knock the US back, especially with so many of our medical supplies coming from China (who may need too many to be able to export for a while). The link is:
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Feb 12, 2020 11:23:33 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 12, 2020 11:23:33 GMT -8
Duck!!! I mean, quite literally. Watch your head. It does sound like fowl play.
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Feb 12, 2020 12:30:33 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Feb 12, 2020 12:30:33 GMT -8
What??? That is just a box of quackers
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Feb 12, 2020 13:13:43 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 12, 2020 13:13:43 GMT -8
"Dead Birds at Dulles" is a song by Gibbnonymous from a couple years back. I think it's off her Aviary and Aviation album. CD, really. But I still tend to call everything an "album." I don't have the lyrics at hand but hopefully Gibb can provide them.
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Feb 12, 2020 13:55:05 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 12, 2020 13:55:05 GMT -8
How about, "When the Swallows Croak Out at Capistrano" sung by Pat Doom? Or "Black Bird Die" John Dead'un? "Yellow Bird" by the Communist Hacks seems somehow appropriate. Here is an older, but nice version.
"My Corona" by the Communist Flacks would be my theme song for this most recent outbreak. It has the same tune as:
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Post by artraveler on Feb 12, 2020 14:07:59 GMT -8
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