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Post by davegs on Jul 18, 2019 4:52:34 GMT -8
Over the past 10 years or so, I had been steadily losing patience with the output of George Will. After originally reading his articles with care, I found his usually interesting columns filled with more and more factually incorrect information and a decidedly leftward leaning framework. I discussed this with others and received some agreement, but no one appeared to call him out on it in media circles. AT produced an article this morning that pulled no punches. While I agree with the content, I'm sorry to find my concerns confirmed. Has anyone felt the same ? www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/george_will_had_reduced_himself_to_a_small_man_of_big_words.html
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Post by artraveler on Jul 18, 2019 6:35:26 GMT -8
For most of his adult life Will played second fiddle to William F. Buckley. He was always the second conservative, after Buckley, invited to the Georgetown parties or on the pages of National Review. I think the second class status warped him into the bitter, angry and deluded man he is today. Buckley has been gone for over 10 years and Will has not been hailed as the heir apparent. That anger is directed at DJT because DJT is accomplishing the conservative agenda without his assistance.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 18, 2019 7:00:26 GMT -8
Will is one of those conservative types who believes in civility even when the other side never reciprocates. He fails to understand that, as Mr. Dooley observed, "politics ain't beanbag". So when Trump blusters and blusters and demonstrates no fixed beliefs, Will is understandably displeased. And the fact that Trump has nevertheless accomplished so much of the conservative agenda (and much of what he has failed to do, such as protecting the budget and especially controlling entitlements, is a common problem inside the Beltway) just makes it worse.
So Will, like so many such NY-DC conservatives, has a severe case of TDS. This even led him to support the Demagogues full tilt last year. I wish him joy of the results. How do you like the influence of the Four Horse's Asses of the Apocaleft, Lord Will?
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 18, 2019 7:24:46 GMT -8
All one needs to know about George Will is the way he treated his first wife and handicapped son. The man is not worthy of an audience.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 18, 2019 7:50:02 GMT -8
Lord save me from becoming either an intellectual or a disappointed old man. Or both. I just read Will’s article at National Review on Apollo 11’s Achievement Still Dazzles. Having read dozens of articles lately on the subject, there is nothing special about this one other than that the point of the article seems to be to express his pessimism. At the very end he writes:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 18, 2019 8:00:21 GMT -8
By coincidence, I read that this morning. My favorite part was:
None of us live in Washington nor feed our lives on celebrity. I can no more understand the life of Neil Armstrong (a literally stratospheric career) than I can understand the lives of the professional talking-heads in Washington D.C. We can try to measure them via our own lives, or even some objective standard, but the two shall never be within spitting distance of each other.
I have no problem with someone who despises Trump. I despise Trump. But not because he doesn’t hold his little pinky extended when he drinks his tea. I think most objections by the chattering class (or those who identify with them) are about style, not substance.
In many ways, Trump has proved himself to be a useful son-of-a-bitch, not unlike General Patton. (Insert a vast discussion of the the good and bad things he’s done within the context of what Hillary or the typical RINO would have done.)
George Will is a very good writer. I respect him for that. As for a thinker, he’s veered more and more toward a pseudo-intellectual, if not a grifter of the mass media, his only purpose to be noticed (which is the fishbowl they all swim in).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 18, 2019 9:00:56 GMT -8
A couple things to note about George Will:
1) He is entitled to his opinion.
2) He does not hold elective office.
3) His individual views are likely less a window into his worldview than the fact that, right or left, the entire Big Government Complex with a never-ending appetite is the cult the Will likely belongs to. George Washington doesn’t pay his bills. The Big Media Complex with its snout in the Big Government Complex are the porkers.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 18, 2019 9:05:15 GMT -8
Bingo!. Sounds like an episode in the old "Yes, Minister" series in which they were discussing the Minister going off to be part of the EU bureaucracy in Brussels.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 18, 2019 13:01:47 GMT -8
I think I was channeling Sr. Humphrey.
Don’t get me wrong. I have no love for George Will. But its not because of his fungible political views. It’s because I think he’s squashily dishonest.
I don’t live enough in their world to completely understand the dynamics. But I think we see the same thing with Jonah Goldberg. They stay squishy enough on issues so that they remain in the good graces of the overwhelmingly liberal media complex and the back-slapping fellowship that they all belong to (where, when push comes to shove, actual conservative views are considered an embarrassment).
This isn’t exactly news. It’s why voters rejected every single quasi-Republican candidate last election and nominated Trump.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 21, 2019 12:58:45 GMT -8
He does have an article on The Puzzling Problem of Vaping. This is not much more than weak “descriptive conservatism.” Tobacco is bad. A lot of kids are using it now via vaping. Ho hum. But descriptive conservatism is by no means unique to Will, just as “ranting conservatism” is not unique to what used to pass for citizen-journalism at StubbornThings. Regarding vaping, I won’t get into the tobacco issue, per se. Yes, of course, it's ironic that the generations pummeled with anti-smoking messages are now taking it up with perhaps even more enthusiasm than the youngsters who saw James Dean puffing away. The thing about cigarettes (harmful as they may be), they are sort of cool. The fire, the smoke. This is why movie stars looked cool when smoking, especially guys like Robert Mitchum or Bogie. But vapers look like they just escaped Romper Room. Those silly puffs of vapor look like part of a kiddy carnival ride that goes with them. So that I don't engage in little more than descriptive conservatism, or ranting conservatism, I will formulate a call to action: Next time you see a vaper, tell them how ridiculous they look. That's the kind of peer pressure that could work.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 21, 2019 14:05:20 GMT -8
Sorry, but I doubt they permit vaping at my nursing home, and no one I know would do it anyway. For that matter, none of them smoke. It was no accident that Elizabeth and I both had apartments without a single ashtray. (When my mother moved to Brownsville, virtually the first thing I did was to throw them all out.) Apparently Elizabeth smoked when she went to college, but that was Wake Forest in North Carolina, where smoking was virtually mandatory back then.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 21, 2019 14:19:30 GMT -8
No vaping at the nursing home? That has to be a violation of someone's civil rights.
There once was an elderly vaper Making nicotine mists was his caper But not all joined in the craze Of the addictive wet haze So they traded him in for a tapir
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Post by timothylane on Jul 21, 2019 14:29:23 GMT -8
My library had a lot of Holmes pastiches and parodies, and one was The Giant Rat of Sumatra. (Many such stories are inspired by references in the Canon. August Derleth in his Solar Pons stories -- perhaps the best of the pastiches, especially "The Adventure of the Unique Dickensians" -- wrote stories based on the unsolved Holmes cases involving James Phillimore and the possibly androgynous Isadora Persano, though not the disappearance of the cutter Alicia.) The "giant rat" turned out to be a tapir.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 21, 2019 16:29:02 GMT -8
A short story is called for.
In the late 1980s, while living in Hong Kong, my company banker invited me to some large formal dinner/event in a major hotel, I believe it was the now leveled Hilton. We had to wear tuxedos and black ties. As I recall, I had to have a tuxedo made as I hadn't been to anything so formal for years.
In any case, after the dessert plates were cleared and coffee had been served, the banker and I lighted up a couple of good Macanudos. (Yes smoking was not yet a capital offense in 1980s Hong Kong) We sat their puffing and talking when the banker's date turned to the banker and said, "Adrian, you look like a kid smoking a cigar." She then turned in my direction and said, "But Fu Zu looks like a capitalist." We all had a good laugh. I felt she meant it as a compliment and I took it as such.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 21, 2019 21:01:03 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 21, 2019 21:09:31 GMT -8
He clearly likes his cigar. As for looking like a capitalist??? I will have to think about it for a while.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 22, 2019 7:34:18 GMT -8
He looks ornery. This might be a capitalist:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 22, 2019 7:39:50 GMT -8
An Action-heroist smoking a cigar: A Hucksterist (although I couldn't tell you which movie this is from): A Comedianist: A Lawmanist: And finally, an Addamsist:
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 22, 2019 9:19:02 GMT -8
Thanks for my daily belly laugh!!! I think I like either Wyatt or Gomez best.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 22, 2019 9:25:53 GMT -8
Ah, Gomez Addams. It's worth noting that the characters on the show clearly resembled the comparable characters of the original cartoons. (I had a large collection of Charles Addams cartoons, going back to my childhood when someone gave me a copy of Addams and Evil.)
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