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Post by artraveler on Jul 16, 2019 13:06:43 GMT -8
I guess I spent too much of my youth closer to nature than many people. Camping has no appeal to me in any form except the opportunity to BBQ. As disgusting, perverted, and filthy as cities are they are the pinnacle of the human existence.
It is my experience that Mother Nature does not want you there. I guarantee that sleeping on the ground will produce rocks the size of softballs just under your back. Not to mention the hazards of assorted bugs, snakes, and other wildlife, who most defiantly DON'T WANT YOU THERE. Good luck to the tree huggers just don't ask me to come and find you.
I'll take my chances in east LA rather than the LA mountains.
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Post by timothylane on Jul 16, 2019 13:59:42 GMT -8
The campgrounds we used (especially in the Marathon area) were usually flat and not stony. The worst experiences I had camping were getting lost along a small river leading to the Marathon dam and camping in the clouds atop Mount Parnes. Do you have any idea how hard it is to light a fire in the middle of a cloud? But since I left the Boy Scouts, I've never gone camping again.
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Post by davegs on Jul 16, 2019 19:00:22 GMT -8
I respect those that might not find the outdoors appealing. It's not for everyone.
But, solo or group survival in any terrain is a wholesome challenge that requires some training in order to appreciate. Some of the rules I learned, such as planning the destination, maps, compass, food, water, shelter are necessary to get there safely. 'Mother Nature' can indeed be hostile at times, but it can be accommodated for if respected. Indeed, there is a synergy and harmony that can be found in the journey. Having also spent time in some of the largest cities in the world, I've found they also have rules that must be observed - but require different training to appreciate. Planning your destination, how to travel to get there, avoiding known violent areas, shelter in a decent hotel/motel are necessary to get there safely as well. Cities can also be hostile at times, but it can be accommodated for if respected.
Whether in the wilderness or in the city - each has it's own rules - and draws it's own crowd of admirers. I've known some people who simply love NYC, LA, Philly or Chicago because they find deep satisfaction with city life. I can see it and understand it - to each their own.
However, I believe this thread was addressed for those that find beauty in nature and embrace it. It is my sincere hope that those that have not yet found that beauty, might be yet open to experiences that may change that opinion.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 16, 2019 19:00:33 GMT -8
Artler, I think you’re right that we shouldn’t over-romanticize nature. I like getting out in nature to the extent that I can be back in a warm, safe armchair in front of the big screen TV by the end of the evening.
I never was much of a camper. But it seems 100% thoroughly American to see the USA in your Chevrolet and get out there away from the concrete slabs, traffic, and too many people.
Your point about bugs is noted. There is that side to nature. Still, one look at the Olympic Mountain range and one can suppose that Jehovah is not confined to just Sinai. The wildness of nature can be a safe thrill for the day enthusiast. But I think my batteries are charged by being able to experience the world in a way other than the carefully pre-packaged and focus-group-tested plastic state of civilization. They don’t call it God’s green earth for nothing. I can look at the beauty of nature and imagine my Creator. When I look at a beanbag chair all I see is a beanbag chair.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 16, 2019 20:22:01 GMT -8
Ditto. And good points about the needed logistics to make a go of it in unfamiliar places. I’m a day hiker (or biker). That’s it. I don’t get that deep into it. Luckily there are some very good outdoor places very close by. But I do get jealous from time to time of those who have the gumption to get together with a couple friends and hike literally into the heart of the Olympic Mountains or other off-the-beaten-path places. I would love to climb The Brothers, a well-known twin-peak mountain in the Olympics. And it’s well within my technical capabilities. But then there are those logistics. And I don’t really want to stay overnight (although it could be done in a day).
So kudos to those who are more adventurous. I admit I’m not one of them. And I admire reading of their adventures.
My adventures outdoors (after a hiatus in my 30’s and 40’s — I had certainly been a fairly active bike rider in my younger days) was instigated by back pain and other mild maladies of spending too much time indoors in an office chair. I found that if I got out once every four days or so and did some vigorous activity, I would be fine.
That’s still part of the motivation. But then I discovered the tonic of just getting out in the great outdoors for its own sake. Admittedly, I usually limit my excursions to sunny days. Hiking or biking in the rain just doesn’t do it for me. But, heck, if its 30 degrees and sunny in December, I’m only too glad to get out.
I’m definitely an evangelist for getting out from in front of the TV, computer, or phone screen. I can’t say that I’ve discovered the meaning of life. But exercise and getting out in nature do recharge my batteries in ways that are hard to describe.
One thing that I think is a real concern to many people is being alone with yourself. “I blabber, therefore I am.” That seems to fit our culture these days. I think being alone scares a lot of people. We’ve become so used to distraction that many have become habitually uncomfortable with silence and solitude.
My core belief is that only through solitude can we expand ourselves. If we do no more than define ourselves by other people, who are we then? No one is there to tell you how to be when you are with yourself. There’s no way to measure yourself. Worse, the voices inside your head will begin to multiply and amplify during moments of solitude. And they are like monsters for those who have little experience with dealing with those voices (other than just drowning them out).
Granted, I would say there are people who are more outgoing and those who are more contemplative. That said, I think chatter and the constant distractions served up in a modern life have eroded our hearts, minds, and souls. We need to detach from that stuff from time to time. And when you do, there is the distinct possibility that some of these poisons we have been habitually putting into yourselves (through our eyes and our ears) will be recognized as such.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 9, 2020 10:48:15 GMT -8
On the brighter side of things. Some of you might recall I have a Bougainvillea on my patio. When these plants are in full bloom, I think they are about the most beautiful bushes in the world. On the down side, they have very long thorns on their branches, which can make them a pain to trim.
Regardless the thorns, a pair of cardinals, that is a mom and pop (no trans-gender or LBGTQRSTUVWXYZ types in the animal world) have taken up residence in my Bougainvillea. They take turns tending the nest, one tweeting its departure to the other before departing.
I would like to take some photos of these two birds, but the bush is only about 6-7 feet from my patio door so if I open the door or try to photo through the blinds, the birds skedaddle. Still, I can approach the door and if I am very quiet, I can watch these two flit around my backyard. I find this very soothing.
We don't have any snow, in fact it is close to 100 F, but otherwise this looks very like my two friends.
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Post by timothylane on Jun 9, 2020 11:06:54 GMT -8
The full frontal view of the red cardinal looks somehow familiar. I think it reminds me somehow of Groucho Marx.
MAD Magazine once had a sort of puzzle page that included a photo of a bougainvillea plant in a snowy setting and asking what sort of color is should be. The answer was to color it dead because bougainvillea is a tropical plant. (It's named after the same explorer that the island of Bougainville is named after.)
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 9, 2020 12:44:21 GMT -8
I just got a quick look through the window on the other side of the nest and there are at least two chicks in the nest. They are still covered in fuzz and I don't think their eyes are open. But they raise their heads, open their beaks and and chirp asking mom and dad for food.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 10, 2020 6:57:14 GMT -8
Those are cool little birds with the mod haircuts. I hope you can snap some picture of them.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 8:00:08 GMT -8
I will try to get some shots, but I am having some difficulty as I don't want to disturb the parents feeding or protecting their chicks. The moment I open the door or blinds the birds beat it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 10, 2020 11:40:14 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 10, 2020 11:40:44 GMT -8
A very nice photo.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 10, 2020 11:55:49 GMT -8
Thanks for posting it. I have a couple others if you would like. I even got one, not terribly clear, photo of the mother bird on the nest.
Could you discern the strips of paper from a paper shredder which the birds used to build the nest?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 10, 2020 13:50:04 GMT -8
Yes I can. I've added a "Larger View" link under the smaller thumbnail photo and you can definitely see strips of something.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 13, 2020 9:47:36 GMT -8
The cardinals' nest on my patio is a very good microcosm of nature.
In the original picture I posted, one could see at least one chick asking for food. After observing the nest from a different and closer vantage point, I could see there were three chicks. The next day I got a little closer and saw that in addition to the three chicks, there were two unhatched eggs.
This morning, I went to have a look and noticed that there were no longer three chicks, but two. I was surprised, so I double and triple checked to make sure I was not mistaken. I wasn't mistaken and something has happened to the third chick.
I looked around beneath the nest, but could see no sign of the missing chick.
One hears of the fierce competition between chicks for food and care from the parents, but it is something else to see it up close.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 13, 2020 10:35:20 GMT -8
Nature allows you to sigh at its beauty while at the same time recoiling from its viciousness. Listen, I can understand utopian impulses of all kinds, including the idea that “God is Good.” Well, very creative, for sure. But they jury is out on the goodness. Without getting cynical, it’s all a lovely massacre in slow motion.
But give the birds some credit for being above human beings in some respects. I was out at my brother’s property yesterday and he showed me a nest that was right there exposed on the ground with three eggs in it. Despite the lack of cover, it was good camouflage.
Over about 10 paces making a big display of a broken wing and saying “Come eat me, eat me instead” was the mother trying to draw attention away from the nest. This is heads and tails above the vicious animals called “liberated female” who kill their unborn merely on a whim.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 13, 2020 11:33:26 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 17, 2020 9:08:48 GMT -8
The two chicks have grown quite large. This morning I saw one of the two spread its wings and flap them. I wonder how long it will be before they must move on?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jun 17, 2020 9:20:23 GMT -8
You really need to rein in your peeping tom propensities before the wife catches on.
Oh...you mean birds. Never mind. But what a major step for a bird. There is almost nothing in between flying or not flying. A lot of fathers taught their children to swim by pushing them off the dock into the water. I'm not saying that's the best way. But it's an understandable way.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jun 17, 2020 9:21:49 GMT -8
My wife already knows and tells me to leave the birds alone.
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