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Post by schoolofselwyn on Aug 14, 2019 13:31:24 GMT -8
El Paso and Trump?by Selwyn DukeEver since the El Paso shooting, talk of racism has been ratcheted up. Racism certainly is a problem, too, one accompanied by another problem: Those talking most about it appear to know least what it actually is. But try this on for size: How about when you emphasize only the relatively rare killings committed by one particular racial group while ignoring murders in which its members are victims, in order to make it appear a unique threat? For the uninitiated, that group would be whites. Of course, not only is the above happening with respect to them, but the El Paso shooting is also being used to demonize effective anti-illegal-migration rhetoric. The argument is that “Trump’s racist rhetoric” inspired the murderer to target Hispanics. • On December 7, 1993, a black man, Colin Ferguson, targeted white people with a handgun on a Long Island Railroad train, killing six passengers and injuring several others. • One of two black snipers who killed whites in the Washington, D.C., area in 2002, John Allen Muhammad, said that he’d intended to murder six whites a day for 30 days. He believed that “the white man is the devil.” • In 2010, black man Omar Thornton targeted whites at his workplace in Manchester, Conn., killing eight. • In 2016, black man Micah Xavier Johnson shot 12 Dallas police officers, killing five; he’d told authorities that he wanted to kill white people. (Barack Obama’s anti-police rhetoric comes to mind here.) • Black man Fredrick Demond Scott was charged in 2017 with the killings of two white men in Missouri and is suspected in the deaths of three others. He’d said that he wanted to “kill all white people.” • In April 2017, black man Kori Ali Muhammad, who’d called white people “devils” on social media, murdered three Caucasian men in Fresno with a .357 revolver. Though not all involve murder, numerous other examples of black-on-white racial attacks can be found here, here and here. If you’re wondering what kind of people perpetrate these incidents, watch the video below.
No, the above is not from the 2016 Democratic National Convention. Speaking of today’s anti-white party, however, will it ever have to answer for all the attacks on whites? Will people such as Tina Rutnick (a.k.a. Kirsten Gillibrand), Irish Bob O’Rourke, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker and the rest of their fellow travelers be condemned for talking about white privilege and how America is supposedly a white-supremacist nation and their continual (whether explicit or implicit) impugning of whites? For that matter, will academia, the media and entertainment be held accountable for pushing these prejudices? We know the answer. But let’s now delve a little deeper. It’s unlikely there’s a cause anywhere that hasn’t had evil done in its name. There have been both “left-wing” and “right-wing” terrorists, running the gamut from environmentalists and animal rights activists to sovereign citizens and other anti-government types. For the wrong cause can be advanced in the wrong or right way (e.g., political lobbying), and the right cause can be advanced in the right or wrong way. Thus, a cause’s worst actors are not at all a gauge of its validity. It’s also absolutely true that the rhetoric we use matters. Words are powerful, after all; hence the saying “The pen is mightier than the sword.” Moreover, even proper rhetoric used to promote a good cause can inspire the deranged to violence. Yet what are the implications of this? Should media not report on, and should we not inveigh against, child sex abuse in the clergy or the Boy Scouts because some unhinged individual might attack an innocent clergyman or scouting troop leader? In this vein, it’s safe to say that many (and probably most) of the attacks on whites wouldn’t have occurred were it not for the anti-white critiques prevalent in politics, the media, academia and entertainment. And though the El Paso shooter convincingly explained in his manifesto that his anti-immigration views predated President Trump’s rise, it’s likely that anti-illegal migration rhetoric has sparked some kind of attack somewhere. Yet, again, none of this tells us anything about either type of rhetoric’s validity. But can it really be the case that a public figure is never morally complicit in violence associated with his rhetoric? Yet if the violence alone doesn’t implicate him, what does? Answer: his words’ falsity. In this post-Truth time, this simple reality is overlooked. Leftists are responsible for the attacks against whites because their rhetoric against them is pure demagoguery built on lies. What’s the truth? In brief (a comprehensive refutation of caucaphobia is here), whites probably weren’t the first to practice slavery or violate human rights. But they were the first to end slavery, and they birthed our modern concept of human rights in the first place. In fact, their Western Civilization can largely be credited with creating the whole modern world. In contrast, it’s a fact that we’re subject to an “invasion,” as Trump (and many before him, including yours truly) has put it. It is a fact that Democrats are facilitating this. It is a fact that they’re doing it for political power. It’s also a reality that immigrationist social engineers are very happy to replace European-descent Americans with Third Worlders who they know will, upon naturalization, vote for leftists, as even Fox News pundit Tucker Carlson has pointed out. That the El Paso shooter also mentioned “replacement” doesn’t make it any less true, not anymore than Ted Kaczynski's bombings changed what he warned about: the threat that technology (e.g., artificial intelligence) could possibly pose to man. And why is this even controversial? The demographic shift is well known — left-wing outlet NPR has called it “the browning of America” — and is no accident: It’s the result of immigration policy the Left could change if it wanted to. It doesn’t want to. What the Left does want to do is use the El Paso tragedy to remove any remaining stumbling blocks to its immigrationist endeavors. Liberals now want “invasion” (and even “illegal alien”) considered a racist term. This is nothing new, either, as the Left has already tried to demonize things such as “Build that wall!” chants and “MAGA” hats. The idea is that anything rhetorically effective for conservatives — anything that could possibly influence people — should be labeled racist and thus be out of bounds. (By the way, would this include anti-immigrationist remarks such as “Europe belongs to the Europeans,” uttered last year by infamous “white supremacist” the Dalai Lama?) Hey, the side that defines the vocabulary of a debate wins the debate. This is why all of us — President Trump, you and I — should double down. We are being invaded. The problem isn’t those of us who warn about it, but the people making it happen. Everyone has rhetoric. And if leftists can tell their lies, can’t we at least tell the truth?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 14, 2019 13:33:03 GMT -8
I clean the links up later unless someone wants to volunteer.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 14, 2019 13:44:22 GMT -8
If we're going to accuse politicians of inciting violence, then we should start with She Guevara and her fellow Demagogues for inciting the recent terroristic attacks on ICE facilities. You can make a far better case against them than you can against Trump -- provided you're relying on facts rather than mirrors.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 14, 2019 15:16:47 GMT -8
I'll try if you are brave enough.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 14, 2019 16:00:49 GMT -8
Have at it, Mr. Kung. I think you have the powers now to edit his post.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 14, 2019 16:23:41 GMT -8
I have tried several different ways to locate or bring up an "edit" icon on the post, but have had no success. Perhaps I am missing something, but I cannot see what it is. Any hints?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 14, 2019 16:39:08 GMT -8
I double checked and you should have the power to edit someone else's post. There should be an Edit button just to the right of the Quote button.
Also....try logging out and logging back in again.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 14, 2019 19:04:05 GMT -8
I have edited Selwyn's original post to eliminate all the coded links. I believe I got them all. Sorry I cannot give the headline to Selwyn.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 14, 2019 19:39:29 GMT -8
Race-baiting is a Demagogue tradition. All that has changed from the Jim Crow era is which race they support and which they trash.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 14, 2019 20:21:53 GMT -8
Thanks, Mr. Kung. I know that was a lot of work. You earned your moderator stripes. I cut-and-pasted your text to the original post.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 14, 2019 21:05:57 GMT -8
It was a fair amount of work. You will laugh, but what made it difficult was that I could not get the links to work because I first included the word "Hyperlink" in the lines I copied. (OK, I only did this once or twice until I dropped that) And then it took me a few tries to figure out that the " marks at the beginning and end of each link should not be included. Once I figured these things out it was just drudge work, but I really wanted those links in there for future use. I have a feeling Selwyn's article will come in useful in the not too distant future.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2019 7:18:03 GMT -8
I appreciate your willingness to plow ahead and figure it out. Every success story I’ve had regarding software is preceded by similar anecdotes.
Do you have the ability to edit Selwyn’s article directly? Does the little Edit button show up on his initial post?
P.S. You've already accomplished more behind-the-scenes work then the entire initial group of StubbornThings "founders" ever did. I'm not joking. Thanks for your efforts.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 15, 2019 8:04:04 GMT -8
The little Edit button did not appear on his initial post. It is a little odd, because when you started Reviews and Things and I was a moderator, the Edit button was available for me to use. I did use it once or twice, I believe, to correct some spelling or like mistakes.
This time, I had to create a new post by copying Selwyn's entire article to a new page and then copy and paste each link using the "Link" icon at the top of each "Create Post" page.
I can't say I'm surprised that the original "founders" of ST didn't do much of this type of thing. It takes time and doesn't get the attention that writing articles does. But as I recall, most of them didn't write any articles either. So what can one say?
Actually, I can understand why some would find this type of work soothing. Once you figure out the way it has to be done, it does not take a lot of thought. It just requires one pay close attention to what one is doing. I could do this type of thing even if I wasn't feeling particularly well, whereas I need to be feeling pretty chipper to write an article.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2019 10:06:37 GMT -8
I’m just a humble little worker bee. I forget that for most people there must be bright lights, fireworks, gold stars, and a stream of attaboys to get them to do even the most lightly menial thing. Live and learn.
An interesting thought. I like it because, A) It needs to be done; B) It’s like solving a puzzle. C) No one else will do it (well, until now).
The real heavy hitter is the guy (Patrick Clinger) who owns ProBoards and wrote the software. Maybe he has a team of software guys helping him now. I don’t know. But generally speaking, he seems to have done an excellent job. But there are little software things that need to be done up and down the entire food chain.
According to my settings, you should be seeing the “Edit” button at the top right of Selwyn’s post, just to the right of the “Quote” button. But you’re saying that’s not the case. Did you try logging out and back in again?
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 15, 2019 10:17:45 GMT -8
I have logged out and back in several times, but there is still no "Edit" button on my screen. That is except when I edit my own posts.
I am sure I would find writing code much more difficult. What I did in this case was just figure out how to follow some rules which the code writer had already formulated. It is very irritating trying to figure out how the rules work, but once you do it is mainly a bunch of rote work. I think that is why it is somewhat soothing. Part of the brain can turn off, but the attention part must be very awake.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2019 10:21:28 GMT -8
Try it now. I just made you a "Global Moderator" as opposed to a "Moderator." See if that works.
As you can see, it now works!-KFZ
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 15, 2019 10:30:39 GMT -8
This is something like the difference between the back-office and traders in a merchant bank. The traders get the glory and money, but if the back-office is not efficient and does not exert control, those traders have a habit of going off the rails and sometimes even blow the company up. Think Nick Leeson who was a trader and acted as his own back-office. He destroyed that venerable institution Barings Bank.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2019 10:32:37 GMT -8
Hahahahaha. What a great way to announce it's working. I love free-range wit. There's not enough of it these days.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2019 10:35:38 GMT -8
You definitely need Chiefs and you need Indians.
A further thought, Mr. Kung. I find that writing software and fiddling with other people’s software (even just small things) to be conducive to learning to think clearly and unambiguously.
We’re not robots. I get it. But the fact is that the actual content of what most people write, in terms of software, could be reduced to one sentence, at most — in terms of getting to meaningful content that actually says something.
That’s not to say I have any problem with people just expressing themselves. But I’ve found that the rule is that people fool themselves into believing they are writing valuable content when, instead, they are just expressing themselves (often just ranting).
Sorry to be obsessive about succinctness. But like big hooters, I just love succinctness. That’s oxymoronic, I suppose (or inconsistent). But it’s consistent in being inconsistent. Sort of. I’m now just expressing myself. Sorry for the departure.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 15, 2019 10:55:35 GMT -8
Actually, I found it easier to debug other people's software. With your own, you're handicapped by knowing what it's supposed to do. Reading other people's code, it's easier to put your mind into the computer and do what it would rather than what you intended it to do.
Incidentally, there was an incident once that KFZ in particular might appreciate. Grant McCormick was going through his code to locate some sort of bug. Finally, after much searching, he noticed a comment that indicated it was doing exactly what he was looking for. It might as well have said, "This is a bug." He was so frustrated that he kicked a chair -- which had a rod sticking out in front that left a permanent mark on his shin. (That was probably his right shin, in which case it's no longer there because neither is the shin.) And Grant was generally much more even-tempered than me. I can't remember which site we were at.
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