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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 9, 2019 12:11:49 GMT -8
I was checking out Sophie Rundle's (Ann Walker) IMDB page. Even with that image, I don't specifically remember her from Peaky Blinders, but then it's been a while. But I do see that she's in a series called Dikensian. It's presently included in the basic subscription of Amazon Prime. I watched about 20 minutes of the first episode. It actually looks like it has potential. Sophie (yes, I've got a thing for her now, so just stop it) plays Honoria (love that name) Barbary (from "Bleak House"...I had to look that up). I'll report back as I've seen more.
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Post by timothylane on Sept 9, 2019 12:15:02 GMT -8
We also see this in the homosexual desire to claim notable historical figures (such as Cousin Abe) to have been homosexuals. On the other hand, the president most likely to have been a homosexual -- our worst prior to Barry Zero, James Buchanan -- they don't claim for some reason. Nor do they seem interested in claiming Frederick the Great -- "the king of the Buggers" in Candide (usually translated in English as Bulgars; the French word bougre can mean either one), although in any case I'm not sure he was actually a homosexual anyway. (One biography suggested that he caught a venereal disease while visiting the court of Augustus the Strong of Saxony, whose sobriquet springs from his large array of bastards, and thus developed a dislike of women. He had no known children.)
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 9, 2019 12:20:58 GMT -8
Exactly, Mr. Kung. I think you've said it in a nutshell. One interesting note about the show is that Anne makes a pleading speech to Ann Walker who wants to leave the lesbo team and get married and put all this wackiness behind her. But Anne Lister says "Some people are just born this way. God gave them this nature."
Fine. Probably so. But then we're told (in the wider world of our time) it's all a choice. When someone thinks of trying to cure a homosexual you get the "born that way" argument. But when you ask them then how in the world someone can suddenly know they are one of about 88 (and counting) flavors of gender, we are told it is a choice. Or something like that. Don't think about this too hard or you could strain something.
But Ann Lister is 100% bull-dyke in this production. She's 100% lesbian and the thought of marrying a man is repugnant to her (as it is to me as well). So I would call her "authentic" in that regard. She likes women and really likes having the power of a man in her world. I don't blame her. She's a capable person.
And we share a like for Ann Walker. But if I were to go lesbo, Ann Lister would not be my 999th choice. She's just too severe. But I would have no problem marrying Ann Walker, even if she announced to me that she was a lesbian. My reply would be "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body...I like women too." Given how easily befuddled this weak-wille girl is, I think I could pull that off.
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Post by timothylane on Sept 9, 2019 12:21:45 GMT -8
Hogs eating dead people can show up in wartime. In one of my histories, I read a bit from some Confederate soldiers about hogs "getting aholt" of dead Yankees, I think at Stone's River. This would tend to make burial details urgent in many situations. I wouldn't rule out rats, either. Mauldin in Up Front noted that infantry in the field liked barns, but one problem was rats (especially when you make use of hay for bedding). He said they weren't too bad as they just scuttled about and didn't get too curious about your anatomy, adding that "A rat likes nothing better than to carry on a conversation in Braille."
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 9, 2019 12:25:22 GMT -8
Well, that doesn't sound very promising. And my Sophie Rundle fixation can take me only so far. Rats. But I'll at least finish this episode. I do like the guys who play Marley and Scrooge.
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Post by timothylane on Sept 9, 2019 13:38:51 GMT -8
When I first had a car of my own, we had to get an annual inspection, but that was ended a few years later. Still later they required an annual emissions check, but that was eventually ended as well. (They excluded really old cars because their owners were likely to be poor. Never mind that those were the biggest emitters of the relevant pollutants. This turned a lot of people, like me, hostile to an otherwise useful program.)
None of that matters to us now. Elizabeth drove my car for a year without even getting a new license plate (which I could hardly do from my nursing home bed). After she went to her nursing home, the car was disposed of in some way (perhaps to Goodwill Industries).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 9, 2019 13:42:13 GMT -8
Yikes. I'm almost sorry I asked. You had to relive your 100-degree Texas nightmare all over again. But it sounds like you are very capable mechanically. Yeah, that's an awkward place to work. And 15 pounds is going to feel like 50. But you save a lot of money if you can do it yourself as you did. And you can also be sure the job was done right. In the future they will also do a wife inspection test to make sure everything is satisfactory. Well, that's the Stepford Wives version, anyway. Maybe us men will be subject to inspection.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 9, 2019 13:47:46 GMT -8
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Post by timothylane on Sept 9, 2019 13:58:30 GMT -8
A friend of mine (I knew her in FOSFA) once did a parody of The Stepford Wives called "The Steptoe Husbands". She had some nice name parodies (e.g., Wally Everhard) as well as catching the millieu well.
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Post by artraveler on Sept 9, 2019 18:13:23 GMT -8
And we share a like for Ann Walker. But if I were to go lesbo, Ann Lister would not be my 999th choice. She's just too severe. But I would have no problem marrying Ann Walker, even if she announced to me that she was a lesbianI think Anne Lister and to a lesser extent the series is a commentary on the sad evolution of late Georgian and early Victorian manhood. By the 1830s the war with France had been over nearly 20 years and the American war of independence by almost 50. That is two generations of warriors who had little to do, except in India. There were few examples of masculine audacity for young men to emulate. Women, especially in this time period expected men to act like---well men. Ann Walker doesn't have much of a field to choose and the best of those are gigolos, and real psychopathic losers at worst. Anne Lister is none of those, although there is some hints that her original interest in Ann Walker was her money.
Anne Lister love for Ann Walker is, I think sincere. It is shown best by her refusal to take the 2000 pounds Ann promised when they broke up. That must have taken some real guts when her families entire future rests on starting the mine. In short, I think Ann Walker chose Anne Lister because she was the best man of all her prospects.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 9, 2019 20:03:18 GMT -8
That’s a good point. Anne has the ability to overpower the weak Ann Walker by just standing next to her. I will say she has shown some restraint in this regard, trying to guide her friend and stiffen her spine.
It will be interesting to see if there is a parting of the ways between them. I think Ann is just too wobbly for Anne. And yet, what man wouldn’t put up with a bit to possess a pretty young lady?
I think it’s pretty obvious in this day and age that the role reversals are nearly complete. Woman are acting like men and men are acting like…well, not women. Pioneer women were very strong. Lots of women are strong. They have to be. The opposite of man is not woman, per se.
But when a man acts weak and passive — as we might say is the proper deemer for a lady in times gone by — he doesn’t come off commendably as a woman but as something akin to Jell-o. Both men and women should despise such men excepting in cases where that is there inherent inclination (not all men have to be Rambo) and not a result of cultural salt peter.
Anne Lister is just an odd duck and I probably shouldn’t try to draw any sweeping conclusions from her. I know she’s an icon for feminism. But what “feminist” today even comes close to her? Remember when Hillary got the vapors during one of the debates of years gone by (she’s been running for president forever) when someone came too close to her (handing her some papers or something)? Feminism creates weak women who depend on threats and brow-beating men….not sticking up for themselves and taking responsibility for themselves.
Our world is full of bullies. Anne Lister (at least in this series) stands up to them. She hasn’t thus far thought of herself as a victim, although she acknowledges the cosmic joke played on her by God, putting a man’s spirit inside a woman’s body. Not her words, but it gets to the core of it. And I don’t begrudge her that spirit.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 11, 2019 12:16:46 GMT -8
I thought the sixth episode of “Gentleman Jack” was a complete bust. It was more like something you’d see on the Lifetime channel. Way too much estrogen. Not much going on but distressed women crying and wailing a lot.
Ann Walker has gone a little nuts. But it almost seems like a selective nuts…nothing a little lesbo action with Lister can’t snap her out of. And yet she won’t commit to Anne in a relationship.
Maybe Anne feels partly responsible for Ann’s condition. That is left to the reviewer to decide because there is nothing said about it. But one can suppose that Anne’s concerted help of Ann in her distress reflects a sense of commitment, of repairing the damage that she helped to cause.
Lots of crying and freaking out in this one. You just want to bitch-slap Ann across the face and tell her to grow up.
Two more episodes to go. I’ll stick it out. Anne’s coal ventures have gone bust at this point. The fortunes of the pig farmer family whose patriarch got et by the pigs are looking up. The mother doesn’t care thing-one that her husband was et by the pigs.
And Anne has promised to lease the land to the son for an initial six-month lease if the father doesn’t show up in a certain amount of time. The son also is planning to marry a local girl who may be a bit above his station. But then, who isn’t above a pig farmer? But he seems a strapping and capable young lad and she is a very nice girl. Anne has hinted to the son that if he wants to stay on the land, she prefers more settled, married people.
So aside from the lesbo stuff, she’s very traditional in her values.
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Post by timothylane on Sept 11, 2019 13:40:34 GMT -8
A conservative lesbian . . . is Tammy Bruce her reincarnation?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 12, 2019 9:08:00 GMT -8
The seventh episode was also a bust. They’ve stopped advancing the plot and it’s just a bunch of chatterbox women exploding in emotion. I’ll watch the next one, but it’s a shame they didn’t at least keep things going.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 12, 2019 17:54:46 GMT -8
I’ve seen my share of boring British period pieces. If you swapped the lesbo stuff or hetero stuff, it wouldn’t solve what has afflicted these last two episodes.
They’ve basically quit advancing the plot. They’re talking-talking-talking about perhaps resolving something in the future, maybe.
The series is sold (somewhat successfully) in the first few episodes as brash, ball-busting, and clever Anne Lister who can compete with any man, and probably better him.
But what we’ve seen too much of is a weak, ineffectual Anne who isn’t ahead of the game but seems inept at it. Even if one is on board the hero-worshipping of “you go girl” lesbianism (and she’s a strong enough character to make that work), they just have gone a more insipid route rather than a bold and interesting one.
I’m guessing they ran out of money for these latter episodes so that is why there is a lot of sitting around in parlors crying, wailing, consoling, and talking about what might be done someday.
It didn’t help the the series fell into quicksand with the prolonged distress of Anne Walker. It was great for one segment of one episode. But they’ve tried to milk that for about 4 episodes. In fact, about every plot line they have they tried to milk it. You just want to yell at the TV “Get on with it.” Everything has become so tiring.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Sept 15, 2019 7:50:25 GMT -8
I finished this series last night. In summation: Episode 1 starts slow. Episodes 2 to 5 get going and generally maintain interest. Episodes 6 to 8 are a run-on sentence with not much happening but foreshadowing of what might go wrong. Maybe the entire second series will be on outing the pig farmer for killing his father. They keep foreshadowing this but doing nothing.
If the centrality of lesbianism itself is enough for you, your opinion doesn’t mean anything. However, if you’re not put off by the abundant PG-13 scenes of lesbians kissing and touching, then there is some interest here.
For the most part, Suranne Jones’ performance is wasted on subpar material. Sophie Rundle is terrific as Ann Walker until they draw out the basket-case plot too much.
Episode 8 has three good scenes in it. The rest is pointless filler. There’s the engaging scene of Anne Lister meeting the queen of Denmark. Then there is the short scene of her returning home in a rush because of her mother’s (aunt’s?….I forget) illness. Finally, they do end it well with a reuniting of Anne and Ann who kinda-sorta sneak in a Sacramental private wedding when they take Communion together at church.
What much of this series lacked was meaning. In the entire episode eight, there were but three scenes that offered something. Much of the rest of the last three episodes offered very little. It was just noise.
Many of the characters are left floating and ill-defined. For example, Joe Armstrong plays Samuel Washington who Anne hires as a sort of foreman of her estate. This is a situation where a meritocracy arises. Samuel is a nobody by Anne recognizes in him a talent to help manage her complex estate. But Samuel only ever remains a wafer-thin character. There is no character development. He's not given much to do.
The same with Anne's sister, Marian, played capably by Gemma Whelan. We seen hints here and there where this character could move beyond just the nagging and eternally disappointed sister. There’s a minor reconciliation of sorts between the two at one point which is a very good scene. But does Anne give her any duties or responsibilities to show sisterly trust and respect? None that we can see.
From the producers' point of view, it’s apparent that they thought all they had to do was show a lesbian character in a strong role and audiences would bend over backward in praise. Probably Suranne Jones does her best work in the last episode because they move her, for a brief moment, beyond a black-garbed man-woman lesbian automaton and made her a real person.
In fact, it took until the last episode or two until Anne’s uncle, Jeremy Lister, started being developed beyond just a doddering forever-napping old man. It becomes apparent he’s much more capable than it seems. But this comes far too late to be woven into the plot.
Perhaps the problems stem from the diary of Anne Lister upon which this series is based. Maybe it’s just that inconsequential of a real story beyond the lesbianism. But I would guess this dramatic recreation is heavily embellished anyway just to fill-out an eight-episode series. They just needed more interesting embelishment, to keep the plot moving, and to develop the characters.
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