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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 13, 2023 12:29:34 GMT -8
Do you think the following comment is too harsh in regards to this video? I expect a lot of down-votes and nasty comments.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 13, 2023 13:26:15 GMT -8
Harsh? I do not see how anyone could take offense at your remarks.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 13, 2023 13:52:24 GMT -8
Do you think the following comment is too harsh I have to ask, why be so soft on this asshole? He doesn't know shit from shingle about leadership and I don't think he has ever been in the military. If there is a problem in his unit it is his leadership that is at fault. He doesn't have to know the Joe is having problems with his 17 year old, or his wife has low self-esteem. His job is to delegate work in the most efficient manner possible. He is not a victim but an employer.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 13, 2023 14:39:40 GMT -8
There's sort of a level of decorum to be maintained…I guess. Another factor is, as Mr. Kung once related to me (more or less): "I'm done being the guy throwing a match into gasoline and getting scorched eyebrows." I don't know the guy. He seems nice enough. But it just rubs me wrong to see this successful Microsoft millionaire bemoaning the fact that he has extraordinary powers of intelligence and concentration and doesn't necessarily want to be around loud, annoying people (aka "on the spectrum"). That is, this otherwise seemingly good man is being pussified by liberal culture to identify as a sparrow with a broken wing. And, yes, I could say that. But, Jesus, I think I was pushing it as it was in order to get people not to clamp their minds shut. I mean, read some of the comments over there. They are all fellow sycophant sufferers. I suppose I could say that as well. Maybe I'm the pussy.
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Just went back and looked. Two up-votes. Listen, I don't live for up-votes. I just can't live that way. I can't do that. For me, it would be like putting a glass of good whiskey in front of an alcoholic. Please, don't feed my people-pleasing gene (or my other desire to be the fly in the ointment). But sometimes this shit is just so stupid I can't help myself. Please stop me before I "truth" again!
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 14, 2023 16:31:01 GMT -8
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Post by artraveler on Jan 23, 2023 10:25:50 GMT -8
A Republic if You Can Keep It
The United States was founded with numerous factors in its favor: Why was it successful?
1. Geographic location, far enough away from Europe to lessen European influence, but close enough for trade.
2. A Constitution that divided the powers of government between several branches, executive, judicial and legislative, with no branch having exclusive power.
3. Citizenship, at first only male property holders but later extended to anyone who goes through the process of naturalization or is born to a citizen, male or female.
4. A free market that allowed the humblest to achieve financial success.
5. The ideal of yeoman farmer, citizen soldier.
6. Virtues of American culture
7. Aggressive and often warlike nature
8. First and Second World War.
Why in the early part of the 21st century is it falling apart?
One of the most common reasons given is the degeneration of morals and virtue
1. Writing in the 1st century BCE Livy says of Rome, “note how displume has declined and our morals degenerate, slowly at first then more and more rapidly, until we reach the present times they plummet precipitously until we can endure neater our vices or the cures”
2. In 2020 the insertion of extreme violence in American politics contributes to the impression that government is unable or unwilling to curb the violence. Not a new occurrence given the violence of labor riots in the early 20th century. However, the use of gangs like Antifa and BLM has eroded respect for law and institutions.
3. The abuse of institutions by political leaders like Schumer, Pelosi, Biden, Clinton, Trump, Bush, and others resulted in increased fractionalization by political ideology and region.
4. Our founders wrote in the Federalist Papers about the evils of faction. Their example was the failure of the Roman institutions to accommodate faction and channel passions into narrow corridors. What they did not foresee was the leadership of faction (political parties) would all come from the same social and cultural groups. Thus, the frequency of political leadership placing their own interests above the needs of the country. No one goes to Washington DC to get poor.
Cicero writing in the late stages of the Roman Republic says, “The republic, when we inherited it, was like a beautiful painting whose colors were already fading with age, but our own time not only has neglected to freshen it by renewing the original colors, but has not even bothered to preserve its form and outlines.”
“What then is left of the original customs on which the commonwealth was founded? They have been utterly buried in oblivion that not only are they no longer practiced but are forgotten.”
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 23, 2023 10:48:13 GMT -8
That's a very good point. One could say that politicians were always like diapers: They needed to be changed often, and for the same reason. But now there is a class of users and abusers of our country who (mostly) orbit safely above us in the swamp of the Federal government and its various tentacles. And the mixed metaphor more than suits these bastards.
Cicero certainly would have understood our times as well. All very well said, by the way.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 23, 2023 14:56:03 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 23, 2023 15:57:41 GMT -8
Also relevant to the Artlerian subject at hand:
I've gotten as far as 1:09:00 into it where I was astounded by this summing-up by VDH:
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 23, 2023 19:38:42 GMT -8
Maybe I didn't get it, but I was not overly impressed with the essay. The man would seem to contradict himself with statements like: followed by: In fact, much of art is about pretty things in public squares, parks and obscure museums. The Mona Lisa is not "religious art" by any stretch. I think the same can be said of "Starry Nights", but perhaps one could associate the vastness of space with religion. But to include both with the "Pieta," Mary holding the crucified Jesus in her lap, an expressly a religious piece, is a strange juxtaposition. Furthermore, much of art is concerned with "Man." Ancient Greek and Roman sculpture is a case in point. Renaissance painting, both Southern and Northern, often deal with people and nature. As do 19th and early 20th century painting. Vermeer's: Turner's: Cezanne's: are anything but religious. Perhaps contemplating each might lead one to some sort of spiritual thought, but they are not religious art. Yet they are as far from the junk being turned out today as we are from Alpha Centauri. These masterpieces were not created to mock man. That piece of garbage "The Embrace" was created to mock us, not to lift us up. Perhaps that is the big different between true art and most of what is called "modern" art. One lifts up and the other mocks and debases. I admit I stopped half-way through so maybe the piece got better, but I found what I read to be shallow and detached from the facts. He tried to fit art into an agenda, which is risky. All in all, I thought the writer was out of his depth. Pseudo-intellectual. I am a little surprised The Federalist published it. I suggest the author take out a subscription to The New Criterion, if he wishes to pick up some pointers on "art" in its many forms.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 23, 2023 21:47:23 GMT -8
I can't see the university as a positive force in society anymore. Later in the conversation they discuss the military and "wokeness". Not that long ago 75% of Americans said they had great confidence in the professionalism and competence of the military today that number is 45% and getting lower. Another example of our institutions failing the people they are charged to protect, perhaps the only remaining line. Can anyone think of an institution, private or public, that has the respect of the people? Whose position is so unassailable that to attack it is to destroy the very foundation of what America is intended by the founders? I recall the 60s and 70s when the country was in chaos. The only institutions that stood above the fray were the military and organized religion. The virus of leftism slowly invaded religious institutions in the 80s and began to turn them into proponents of abortion on demand, homosexuality, and socialist ideology. It took a little longer for most educational institutions to take the same path, but by the 90s most large universities had, or were planning, to drop requirements for western civilization, history and government (civics) classes. The only event that slowed the steady progress of what is becoming a fascist state was 911. For a brief time the march of the the left was put on hold. Perhaps 5 years and they were nipping at the heals of the military and intelligence agencies. Today in 2023 we find ourselves in the same position as the Roman republic. Franklin was asked what kind of government they had designed. "A republic if you can keep it" was his terse reply. Well, we haven't kept it. The great American republic is dead as Cicero's Rome and it is not coming back. Whatever comes out of the political chaos existing today will not reinvent the founders ideals. We might, if G-d ordains find a path to a newer and possibly more perfect union, but there will be blood on the streets and in the fields. The world will suffer the loss of America. The fall of Rome in the 5th century brought on over 1000 years of feudalism and oppression. The fall of America may do the same.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 24, 2023 8:26:09 GMT -8
The Kardashians?
One of the outcomes of the Marxist Contagion is cynicism as an outlook. And if all you can see is sour lemons, good luck making champagne. I was out hiking on Sunday at Green Mountain. I encountered a couple yutes on the way up. One of them had what seemed like low-level surliness which was confirmed when I saw them at the top again. There was a road grader parked at the top. And this one yute said something like "These idiots are doing something further up the trail. I'm sure they're just screwing things up worse."
I had no idea where that came from except from a deep sense of Snowflake dissatisfaction with the world. What our culture knows very well is how to tear things down. Jordan Peterson made a very good whale analogy in the video. He said that a whale may wash up on the beach and it's good feasting for a whole menagerie of animals for a while. But eventually the whale is picked clean.
This is the situation we face. America is being picked clean. And I loved hearing (sad though it may be) how tech companies are starting to not trust the paper certificates coming out of the Ivy League. He said they are more apt to trust a certification coming out of Georgia Tech.
Peterson had another intriguing idea. Given that some Ivy League schools no longer make it mandatory to show SAT scores, he says another certification process (post-college) is needed. The rationale, he notes, for the SAT's was to have an objective measure because the standards of various high schools and such vary, so you couldn't necessarily trust grade point averages. The SAT's are (were) a way to measure things fairly.
But now, Peterson notes, we are in the opposite situation. The standards and paper certificates of various colleges can no longer be trusted and you now need some king of post-college certification test. He seems to be seriously thinking of this as a business model that he would get into. I think that's something that he and VDH could run with. Makes sense to me.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 24, 2023 8:39:01 GMT -8
I think the essay by Stone is excellent, but perhaps not as good as one produced by Dennis Prager on the subject. The idea of ugliness instead of beauty being the basis for art by the Left has long been something that Prager has talked about.
The religious angle is relevant because a religious point of view is (in the Judea-Christian world) a hopeful, even loving point of view. Yes, if you look back at the Renaissance or earlier, much of the Christian art was the thematic equivalent of an Elvis velvet painting, even though often produced by masters. You do what your patrons demand of you.
But at least the patrons had the idea of Almighty God, of a world of beauty, design, and purpose. The world envisioned today by "artists" is one of pointlessness, randomness, and therefore ugliness. It's a cynical view that knows only how to make reality the butt of their jokes.
Art is a big subject and I wouldn't expect anyone to capture it all in a 1000 world essay. But he makes many great points.
Art has always been a variety of things with a variety of influences. What we can say today is that art has been focused by the Leftist point of view into a narrowness we've never seen before. And it is centered on a sour and dour outlook. At the bottom, all that most have to express is a sense of ugliness or discontent.
And so you get this "art" for Martin Luther King Jr. that looks a good deal like a twisted turd. It is ugly by any measure. The Left (and other influences) has filled the souls of people with anything but Deus Lux.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 24, 2023 8:57:12 GMT -8
Here is an excellent and brief definition of "sacred" art. Of course, this definition is given by an artist who is inspired to create great art. Sabine Howard
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 24, 2023 14:15:14 GMT -8
I've never heard it summed up better just how the art world has been perverted by the atheistic, virtue-signaling, drama-ridden, politicized, angry, self-indulgent, arrogant, red-diaper-doper-baby Snowflakes who ruin everything they touch – and not just art.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 27, 2023 8:51:56 GMT -8
"Ditto" isn't strong enough for this article by Mark McDonald. This is a short read. And, yes, Mr. Flu, this one is required reading: Subversive Minorities
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 27, 2023 12:35:59 GMT -8
An excellent article. Again, he puts together, in one piece, much of what we have been saying for years. His point about minorities ruling us has been apparent for at least 50 years. I remember reading about the Founding Fathers in college and the term "tyranny of the majority" came up. Even then, I said that things had flipped and we were now operating under a "tyranny of the minority." The leftists of those days were crazy enough, but today we live in a true case of "the inmates running the asylum."
I agree that our future prospects are dim. I think the only thing which might change the direction in which we are going, is some type of major defeat, economic collapse. From there, reality could take hold again, but it would be in the form of strong men of some sort or another. Could this be worse than our present situation? Yes. Would it necessarily be worse? No.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 27, 2023 16:30:34 GMT -8
I think you said it exactly.
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Post by artraveler on Feb 6, 2023 10:20:40 GMT -8
Man the Killer
In March of 1861 President Abraham Lincoln stood on the inaugural platform overlooking a nation that would soon be in a war consuming at least 600,000 lives. Today historians place the total closer to 700,000. More Americans died in this war than any other. Lincoln sought in his first inaugural address, “the better angels of our nature”. Do we have better angels to our nature?
Lincoln had it wrong. There is no better angel, man is a killer, possibly the killer angel of wrath, destruction, mayhem, and murder. Oh, we disinfect our killer nature with religion, ethics, and morals but in the end the urge to lash out always overcomes the individual and the nation. We seek to justify our actions as Saint Augustine said by the rules of a “just war”. That is rhetoric man is a killer, and we enjoy killing.
We make excuses for killing, some of them defensible. Who can say that wiping out the plague of Naziism was not necessary and justified? History and literature are full of examples. In Boris Pasternack novel Dr. Zhivago the two elements of man’s nature are set in direct conflict during the Russian Revolution. Zhivago is the noble man as envisioned by Tolstoy and Komarovsky is man as seen by Dostoevsky. One the pure poet, the other the politician and schemer. We are shown that Zhivago is the better man, but he is no less corrupt than Komarovsky.
The leftist fancies they have the moral high ground. He is taking what he perceives is a righteous position. In this he is a classic passive/aggressive. His passiveness is a guise to give the pretense of humility and non-violence when his actions are anything but non-violent. Thus, the radical protesting police brutality is using tactics and fully expecting counter measures just as violent. He then claims, “police brutality”.
On 7 January 2023 29-year-old Tyre Nichols was pulled over for a traffic stop in Memphis. The officers who pulled him over were part of a police task force called Scorpion. It is not unusual for police to form special task forces to address crime of specific nature or locations. The five officers and the victim are black.
There are numerous reasons that the police officers chose to savagely beat Tyre Nichols, news organizations and the net are full of those reasons. However, the reason most often heard after three weeks is the lack of training. Training certainly plays a large part, but the major factor is these police officer wanted to kill Tyre and they did.
In the last few days two officers and three EMTs have been relieved of duty or terminated. This is a massive CYA by the Memphis police, seeking to appease all complaints from the public. Will this massive firing settle the discord over the beating and death of Mr. Nichols? We could think that might be the case, but the race baiters will surely wade into the controversy and seek to engender violence.
What then, is the solution to violence; better training, better hiring practice, increasing police presence in problem neighborhoods, more police everywhere? How do we watch the watchers in a free republic? Is it possible to reduce the violence that mankind has utilized for thousands of years? In a word, no. Man is a killer animal and appeals to his better angels fall on deaf ears.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 6, 2023 10:34:43 GMT -8
Wars are so easily started but oh so hard to stop.
I'm going to fall back on my truism that everything I need to know about life is probably addressed in Star Trek (the original series):
Exactly. Well said. Not sure if I can find a Captain Kirk-ism for this, but it's true nonetheless.
I don't know the circumstances but it's completely possible that here was a guy who needed a good killing.
The left always trots out "better training." But what is almost always needed is better judgment. Training is only as good as the judgment used to put it into practice. So we over-train because it's harder (for leftists) to teach people how to be good people using good judgment. All then can come up with are endless rules.
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