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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 12:21:11 GMT -8
This type of problem can only be discovered after the vote has been made and people can start to get their hands on the data. Given the way the voting was carried out across the country, I know of no way that the Republicans could have stopped this.
Here are some examples of the problems I have seen. These are in addition to those I have pointed out before.
Then there are the geeks in Switzerland, Germany, Ireland, Holland and the U.K. who after going through date in Pennsylvania and Michigan found numerous "irregularities." This info was gleaned from state records in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
1. Many dead people registered and voted by mail. 2. Many duplicate voters across states. Thousands (160,000 at least) with the same names, ages and addresses voted in both states. 3. 71% of voter rolls in Wayne County Michigan did not match ballots. 4. Mail in ballots were ordered and sent to one address and later the same "persons" ordered and received duplicate mail in ballots at a second address. 5. Thousands of mail in ballots with different names went to the same P.O. boxes.
6. University faculties had over 100% vote of registered voters.
7. Something like 40,000 dead people's voter registrations switched from Republican to Democrat
This type of thing takes a lot of time and expertise. I believe this exercise is ongoing and information has been sent to Trump team.
There are more such "irregularities."
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Post by timothylane on Nov 22, 2020 12:27:17 GMT -8
A House vote to decide the presidency has happened twice. In 1801, under the original rules for electing a president (in which each elector voted for 2 candidates for President, with the VP being whichever candidate came in second), the Republicans neglected to select an elector to vote for Jefferson but not Burr, so they each ended up with 73 electoral votes to 65 for Adams and 64 for Pinckney (I think). An interesting thought is what would have happened if they had their other elector vote for Burr. Assuming the Republicans hadn't screwed up, he would have led to exactly what happened. And when they did, he would have led to President Burr and VP Jefferson.
The next time came in 1825. Jackson led Adams 99-84, with 41 for Crawford and 37 for Clay. So Clay was out, and Crawford had suffered a stroke and was a weak third anyway, so the House vote was between Adams and Jackson. Clay disliked Jackson and undoubtedly preferred Adams, and he largely controlled the House. Clay then chose Clay for Secretary of State. Each decision, individually, was justifiable, but the combination was politically fatal. Jackson and his supporters called it a "corrupt bargain" and called Clay "the Judas of the West".
In 1876, the question was a bit different. Either Tilden or Hayes won a majority of electors, but some of the totals were disputed. With the Demagogues controlling the House and the GOP the Senate (which will be true on January 6 since the Georgia results won't have been certified yet), they decided to select a bipartisan commission from the House, Senate, and SCOTUS. It had 7 Republicans and 7 Democrats, and the last seat was supposed to go to Justice David Davis, who was unlikely to vote entirely for either. Since Tilden only needed one of the disputed votes, that probably would have made him President. But the Democrat legislature of Illinois named Davis to the Senate, so he resigned as Justice and had to replaced on the Commission. The only remaining Justices were all Republicans, so in the end they won all the disputed votes (in South Carolina, Florida, Louisiana, and Oregon).
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 12:38:40 GMT -8
Brad,
Sometimes while I am writing a post the keyboard will seem to go crazy and continue to type a letter without me touching it. If I try to stop this and delete the letters the whole post disappears. Have you ever had this problem?
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Post by timothylane on Nov 22, 2020 13:17:26 GMT -8
I don't recall that I've seen that problem, but weird things often seem to happen with the keyboard to me. There's a reason my most sincere curse is for everyone who is or ever has been at Microsoft will burn in Hell forever. I sometimes add Mozilla and Google to that.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 14:05:41 GMT -8
This time the keyboard took on a life of its own and typed very rapidly
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I got it to stop and then tried to backspace and poof. My whole post was deleted. This seems to happen after I have spent a lot of time putting together information.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 14:52:38 GMT -8
I was going to refrain from quoting some of the things I’d heard Trump or Powell say. Without solid evidence being presented, their comments and Tweets sound like the Trumpian version of a witch hunt. And I’ve heard other stuff like the above that makes me cringe. Apparently man-child Trump tweeted something about opposing Murkowski in Alaska with any warm body, good or bad. I mean, if he tweeted that, how can anyone be expected to have a high opinion of this man? I don’t mind hardball. But Trump seems to be acting more like Hitler in his bunker. It’s no secret that the Nervous Karens, embittered feminists, single and/or childless women are a large coalition. I kinda don’t believe that women not already committed to the Democrat Religion would look and say, “Hmm…the president is not wearing a mask. I’m wearing a mask. Biden is wearing a mask. I will therefore vote for Biden.” But you never know. I think I mentioned the other day that I read an article on Apple News (generally liberal stuff) that mentioned the “experts” don’t know where 70%+ of the infections are coming from (including the “experts” in Europe). That’s another way of saying, “What we’re doing isn’t working.” Yes, in theory, those viruses can be embedded in larger particle that are then filtered out be even wearing loose-weave underwear over your face. But what we see is that it isn’t working. Whatever they are doing, it is ineffectual. Sort of makes you wonder if crushing businesses and ruining lives (and the health) of so many people is justified by their voodoo medical advice. Oh, I have no doubt that Rush’s show was a better propaganda platform. Rush (and Steyn) have (from what I’ve heard) completely abandoned objectivity and gone with the Trump narrative. I suspect that Tucker Carlson would not have been hostile but would have asked some good questions. Can’t have that while you’re busy spinning a large PR bubble. Mixed metaphor, I know. They’ll get there.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 14:57:02 GMT -8
Did I mention that Dominion is the maker of the software for the text editing boxes? Sorry about that.
But your problem could certainly be Javascript going crazy or crashing. I would close the tab with Reviews-and-Things in it. And then I would trying closing your web browser and then re-opening it.
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Post by timothylane on Nov 22, 2020 15:22:49 GMT -8
It seems Trump has announced that Sidney Powell is not (any longer) on his legal team, either for the campaign or for him personally. Perhaps he decided that she was going too far. His administration has certainly come out for Perdue and Loeffler in Georgia, whereas Powell is willing to play kamikaze on the GOP there. I suspect Collins himself isn't thrilled by it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 15:32:35 GMT -8
I don't see anything online about Trump firing Sidney Powell so if that's so, it must have just happened.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 15:41:46 GMT -8
Here’s an article about this whole thing on Fox News. What I found interesting is that the commenters are not the same that I’ve found everywhere else. But that’s neither here nor there. I bit of comic relief with this comment from someone: I do think he is right. Whatever Trump’s faults, he’s good for the economy. And someone in that thread noted that Trump just dumped Sidney Powell.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 15:43:27 GMT -8
Powell was never an official part of the Trump team. I thought this was known. She has always been clear about this. She has carried on her pursuit on her own and has received no funds from the Trump people, as far as I can tell.
From what people close to this have said in the past, Powell's investigations and possible law suit were always seen as a separate possible avenue to go after the fraud.
I have no idea why they seem to wish to distance themselves from her. Perhaps it is like Tim suggested, both she and Lin Wood are openly suggesting voters don't take part in the January runoff elections for the two Republican Senators in Georgia unless the Georgia Republican Party gets with the program of auditing the vote.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 15:45:39 GMT -8
Well, that's news to me. Then Trump couldn't have dumped someone he never had on his payroll. And things just keep getting stranger.
Here’s a breaking-news article on that: One quote was:
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Post by timothylane on Nov 22, 2020 15:45:56 GMT -8
They had just announced it on Fox News, which I was watching during dinner. I suppose it's always possible I misheard, since my primary focus was on my meal, but we shall see. I just fear that the Trump Party is in the process of splitting from the GOP, which benefits only the Yellow Jester aka Ted Jason and the Demagogues.
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Post by timothylane on Nov 22, 2020 15:48:59 GMT -8
Well, I guess that explains it. I certainly didn't understand that, especially with Powell appearing jointly with Giuliani. That might also explain why she doesn't mind splitting the GOP just ahead of the Senate run-offs in Georgia. But that would explain why this isn't being reported as news.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 15:49:51 GMT -8
I agree with Maggie Haberman. Why make a public announcement that Powell is not part of the team when you gave a joint presser with her a few days ago? Still, I don't find it so earth shattering. Who knows what prompted this.
Here is a copy of the official statement by the Trump team's lawyer Ellis. Once you read it you will see it is rather anodyne.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 15:53:48 GMT -8
A series of Byron York Tweets: Those are the same tea leaves I’ve been reading, Byron.
Never a huge Brit Hume fan, but yeah:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 16:03:18 GMT -8
By the way, that mushroom cloud you see is the Trump presidency exploding.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 16:10:04 GMT -8
Sorry Brit. The media does not get to call this. You sound like a typical RINO who wants to play nice. Of course it could simply be that as a journalist you believe it is your God-Given right for us to kneel to you. Tough. I see nothing wrong with "extravagant" allegations. I hope it drives people crazy. Bringing Joe McCarthy into this is dishonest. He was a Senator with a huge official public microphone and power. I also believe he could not be sued for statements he made in Congress. None of these advantages are held by Powell.
I think I already pointed out that Powell had previously hinted at this. ( I looked back and I linked to interviews in which she did so on Nov 19th and specifically my post at 12:55pm on Nov 15th) I also believe I mentioned, a couple of days back, that Lin Wood has made similar accusations. (I checked and I posted this at 11:20am yesterday.) So why Hume et. al. are acting like this is some new revelations I don't know. Powell has been out there on this for a week, at least.
Both Wood and Powell have also openly declared they would be happy for anyone they mention to sue them for libel. Whether this is to re-enforce the notion that what they are saying is true, or if they merely grandstanding, I can't say. But both of them have been good lawyers who have done "righteous" work for people like General Flynn and the kid who won his suit against CNN.
Frankly, I also stated that the situation in Georgia stank of corruption or incredible incompetence, and gave my reasons why. I have seen nothing to change my mind, but I am still hoping. So sue me.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 22, 2020 16:48:07 GMT -8
Even as a member of the media, he has a right to his opinion and I think it’s a pretty good one. And this episode with Powell undermines the credibility of the president regarding voter fraud. Too many loose cannons, wild claims, and downright incompetence.
I think it’s reasonable to conclude that Trump has raised the bar-of-believability on the claim of widespread and coordinated voter fraud. More and more, these seem like constructed claims that require intimidation and PR rather than just a simple “just the facts, ma’am.”
And I think it’s all over now because any wavering Republicans (and there might have been a couple) can now be fairly sure there will be no penalty from distancing themselves from Trump. The high-water mark of his bid to bully and bluster his way into a recount, re-run, or whatever, has likely come and gone.
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 22, 2020 16:49:09 GMT -8
More data is coming in from specific counties in swing states like Penn and Mi. This piece deals with Montgomery County in Pennsylvania. I have no idea how this can be used in court, but the information is disturbing.
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