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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 27, 2023 7:43:47 GMT -8
I don't know. What happens to the people who go to war with another and then (hopefully) lose? At the very least, Gaza should be completely and totally controlled and annexed by Israel.
I think that's the essence of the problem. Hamas and the "Palestinians" are now one and the same. Sure, like those on the Left, it's a nice thought to try to separate them out and pretend at all that "religion of peace" stuff. But they pursued and supported a genocidal war against Israel. I don't see how any peace can be made with them.
Still, I do expect Israel to perpetuate the idea that it's just Hamas and a few bad characters, that the baby can be split. Frankly, I don't know how they can handle it. But if their military decisions are driven by PR considerations then they are writing their own death warrant over the long haul.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 27, 2023 7:51:52 GMT -8
At some point, the IDF does need to "run amok." That's war. But that they are taking the fate of the hostages into first consideration is certainly logical.
But there is no resolution to this without a lot of dead civilians. That cannot be avoided. If photos of dead "Palestinians" on the front pages drive Israel's policy, then they are doomed. This is their opportunity to yank the band-aid off in one pull. Gaza cannot stand as a staging ground for a genocidal war against Israel. Period.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 27, 2023 8:34:28 GMT -8
These are a couple of the things which have me worried about the situation. Hamas shooting those trying to leave 48% agree Hamas' actions just fine The first relates to civilians being killed. Of course Hamas doesn't let civilians out. They want as many civilians as possible to be killed in order to make the Israelis look like monsters. The second is amazing to me. We have raised a bunch of monsters in this country. And like those Palestinians who do not support Hamas, I am not responsible for our domestic monsters. I have been fighting against this insanity for years. But is it an indication why the PR war is so important.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 27, 2023 9:11:13 GMT -8
The link is to a very interesting, and reasoned, piece which gives a perspective not often found in our media. I find what the writer says to be very plausible. In fact, it agrees with some of the things I have said over the last months. This man sees things as they are, not the way the American propaganda machine says they are. The actual situation For many years now, American power has largely rested on the myth of the invincible American Military and the almighty US$. Most of the world bought into the myth, but the Biden Administration's idiotic actions in Afghanistan and the Ukraine, plus the intelligence failure in Israel have shown the truth about our situation. We are not quite the "paper tiger" of Mao's Cultural-Revolution times, but we are nothing near the PR-enhanced military which has been sold to America. And the dollar is losing its status as a reserve currency faster than even I thought possible. The following paragraph gives an idea of the problems now facing us. They are fusing into one and spiraling into something much bigger.This was predictable, in fact I predicted the potential for such problems, as these, to pop up due to the idiocy, or malicious intent of our present masters. One didn't have to be a genius to forecast this type of thing. I had to laugh at the last item, "fake videos and news." I take this to mean that our masters are upset that they can no longer control the narrative, thus their propaganda is becoming less effective. In any case, the article above gives a good idea of the very serious situation in which Israel and the USA are now finding themselves in. I am not optimistic.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 27, 2023 9:33:26 GMT -8
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Post by artraveler on Oct 27, 2023 12:03:02 GMT -8
www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/10/israel_and_jews_just_the_canary_in_the_coal_mine.htmlSadly, but tellingly, and putting Israel aside, the vast majority of armed conflicts on our globe involve militant Islam on at least one side of the conflict. So, if you’re looking for “root causes” to explain world instability, that’s it. Stop overthinking things.
As for Israel, to lend some perspective, there are about 50 Muslim majority countries about 1000 times Israel’s size. So, for Hamas and others, the scoreboard reading 50-1 is not lopsided enough. They want it to read 51-0. Look at a map: when they chant from the “river to the sea,” they mean no Israel, no Jews.As for Israel, to lend some perspective, there are about 50 Muslim majority countries about 1000 times Israel’s size. So, for Hamas and others, the scoreboard reading 50-1 is not lopsided enough. They want it to read 51-0. Look at a map: when they chant from the “river to the sea,” they mean no Israel, no Jews.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 27, 2023 12:33:04 GMT -8
This reinforces my point about Israel having to think this thing out very carefully. Emotion and the impulse to do something NOW, are two of the biggest reasons people/nations make mistakes. That has certainly been the case in my life.
So it behooves the leaders of Israel to act prudently and, as near as possible, without emotion. To think through the ramifications of everything they might do. The odds are stacked against them and if Israel were to unify the complete Muslim world against it, that would be catastrophic. Somehow, Hamas must be culled from the herd and then dealt with. The rest of the herd might be allowed to get a little restless, but you don't want a stampede.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 27, 2023 14:38:32 GMT -8
amgreatness.com/2023/10/27/what-israel-needs-from-america-and-what-it-is-getting-from-joe-biden/American support for Israel must be unequivocal. There can’t be any daylight between the United States and Israel. If the Biden Administration has differences with Israel on how it plans to respond to the Hamas attack or other issues, it must relay these concerns privately. Any such private communications cannot be leaked to the pressA faithful friend knows this without being told. These are the things that a President who is a true friend of Israel would do at this critical moment in its history. Sadly, President Biden’s actions and statements since the October 7 terrorist attack prove that he is far from a true friend of IsraelBiden is just as antisemitic as his boss Obama The Biden Administration also has failed to take decisive action in response to Iran’s likely sponsorship of the October 7 terrorist attack and a surge in attacks by Iranian-backed militias against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria. The administration has said Iran was “complicit” in the Hamas attack because it funds Hamas and trains its fighters, but claims it has no information that Iranian officials ordered the attack or knew about it in advance.
Thanks James Earl Carter. Iran declared war on us almost 50 years ago. I wonder when the news will get to DC? Kill the logistical infracstrure of Iran and their ability to produce and ship oil.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 27, 2023 14:59:12 GMT -8
I believe this goes deeper than hating Israel. I am convinced Biden, and those surrounding him, hate America and have been doing whatever they can to weaken America and its allies. As the Israeli/American alliance is so close, I have little doubt that Biden's seemingly insane actions have been intentional. They prove he is an enemy of Israel and the USA.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 28, 2023 10:33:11 GMT -8
There seems an undeniable element of this that Israel and the IDF remain hostage to "radical" Islam. If you fight back in kind, you're the bad guy. If you don't fight back, you're dead.
The alternative is a muddle. And that seems to be the option that is considered "noble" and "reasonable." I disagree, but we'll see how this plays out.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 28, 2023 16:30:13 GMT -8
Power of Hate
The teachers’ unions actually got almost everything they asked for. Leading to hubris now. This is the same hubris that drives our antisemitic neighbors. They believe, Joe Biden and his intellectual boss Obama will restrain American power long enough to murder all the Jews in Israel.
As an American/Israeli Jew with family in both countries, as many do. I believe that excess of hubris will be followed by nemesis. The problem is that we have always been aware of what the leftists are. It’s written in their DNA of hate, humiliation, and sadism. Our people cried throughout the 1930s of the evils of the National Socialist German Workers and the world was silent. What good reason do we have now to hope that any will come to our aid in a time of crisis? We have only other Jews to rely on and many of them have become leftists.
Leftists simply do not care for our slaughtered millions. They don’t care if the political positions they take are incompatible and lack any sense. The goal of the left is to neuter Jewish influence in the West and destroy the State of Israel. To accomplish this they have, marshaled the education establishment and the media to dominate the political environment.
I consider myself a new kind of Jew. I am a US Marine, who fought on the Golan front in 73. My oldest son is a Col. In the IDF, his wife is nurse in Haifa and my three grandchildren are deployed with the IDF. Never Again takes on special meaning. The time of frightened Jewish shopkeepers is over. Jewish warriors will strike and avenge our slaughtered millions and any that choose to side with them. It is possible we may lose, but loss is certain if we do nothing.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 28, 2023 16:46:23 GMT -8
Every war is different in its own way, but some lessons might be learned from studying previous conflicts.
I have given this a bit of thought and I believe Israel needs to take some lessons from the 2nd Chechen war between Russia and Chechnya. This was a bloody and protracted conflict in which a lot of people died. But in the end, Russia was able to subdue Chechnya, which is now a calm and productive part of the CIS.
Somehow, Israel must find a Muslim ally which will help with this task. This would not be only a PR win, it would add to Israel's power and help win such a war.
Of course, I am in no position to advise how this is to be done. But I believe it is more important to clearly stamp out Hamas, with as few civilian deaths as possible, than to have a quick win which is not complete.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 28, 2023 21:43:39 GMT -8
I think we will find in the next few days the IDF is going to use tactics in Gaza that have never been used in urban war. All of the media is following the same line, "this will be a long and bloody war of urban conflict". They are right only that it is going to be bloody, for Hamas. The media and the rest of the west is going to be surprised at the Non conventual methods the IDF will be using and the rapid demise of Hamas. Also, the fast turnaround to confront our other enemies in the North and further East.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 29, 2023 6:33:54 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 29, 2023 8:29:56 GMT -8
The miles of tunnels are one of the major worries. The Russia/Ukraine war has shown how important these can be for the safe movement of troops and supplies around fronts.
I see the Israelis have already started using "Bunker-Buster" bombs to collapse some of these tunnels. They also have a type of bomb/device which can be used to seal off tunnels. It sounded like a more sophisticated spray foam device. It is possible that they could seal up a lot of Hamas people in the tunnels and carry on with the rest of the work.
I saw somewhere that already a day or two back, Hamas said they were willing to release all the hostages in exchange for about 6,000 Hamas prisoners. Israel would agree to such imbalanced exchanges in the past. I don't think it will go for this one.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 29, 2023 12:58:58 GMT -8
Maybe, just maybe, the idea is getting through to liberal Jews that dealing with the left is hazardous to your health. www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/10/the_death_of_democrat_jewish_innocence.htmlJewish conservatives, while considered a bit of an oddity despite growing numbers, are commonly asked Why are so many Jews liberals?
Books and articles have been written, and theories abound as to why this is, including, among others, the idea that Jews are liberal out of residual devotion to FDR and his pro-unionism; as pushback against the brutality they suffered under right-wing totalitarians like Hitler; and because, when Jews became secular, they replaced their religion with progressivism.
None of these quite hits the sweet spot, but they all resonate to some extent.
Liberals who went to bed conservatives sincerely believed they were making some grand gesture by supporting Israel’s right to exist while recognizing the plight of the Palestinians until the reality of October 7th exploded their worldview. They are scared sh**less and rethinking the politicians, party, and policies they’ve long supported.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 29, 2023 19:14:58 GMT -8
It's called "Hamas-It-Out". It's on the shelves of the better hardware stores everywhere.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 29, 2023 19:24:13 GMT -8
That's what I thought as well. Even Dennis Prager, who grew up in Liberal Jewville, has (to my mind) a hard time explaining it. But then who can explain liberal non-Jews either?
Listen, I don't have to tell you that there have been ample reasons since Hitler and Stalin to have the liberal worldview exploded. But if some liberal Jews are waking up to who the real enemy is, that's good. We need Israel. We need good, religious Jews in this world...or at least conservative Jews. Or Jews who despise Karl Marx. I won't be picky.
Artler, you have honestly and clearly described to us this aspect before. I admit, I have a hard time buying it. I always have a hard time buying "good intentions" when they leave a swath of destruction behind them. But I can kinda-sorta get why Judaism, bereft of the balancing influences of wisdom and history, can veer toward Libtardism. Even so, I see no excuse for such foolishness.
Death to Hamas and all of "radical" Islam. G-d protect his Chosen People. Warp factor 10, please.
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Post by artraveler on Oct 29, 2023 20:21:31 GMT -8
This is one of the two reasons I joined the USMC. the other was a badly made marriage. There were only a very few Jewish Marines in 1970, there are percentage wise more now. I never felt constrained by the very non liberal notion of pacifism and non violence when faced with the bad alternative of giving in to oppression or fighting back. If I can help it there will never be another Shoah. I don't know the demographics, or if they even exist, but I would bet that the overwhelming percentage of Jewish Marines and Army are from Southern States.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 30, 2023 8:32:19 GMT -8
We (royal "We") put up with a lot of unreconstructed Southern boosterism from these parts and thereabouts precisely because it is well known that the Southern states overwhelmingly provide the soldiers to defend this country, and great soldiers they are. If you want to name your horse, "Traveller," We will not object.
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