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Post by timothylane on Mar 14, 2020 12:39:57 GMT -8
Dr. Siegel recommended keeping the throat well hydrated. I think the basic point is similar.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 13:43:49 GMT -8
The first thing I saw this morning when I logged on to the Fox News site was something like:
"First Coronavirus death in New York"
As I read the article I was told that 1 person of the 500 people in New York who have contracted the virus has died. And that person was.....an 82 year-old woman who had emphysema. I ask you, how many times has the death of an 82 year-old-woman dying of natural causes made front-page news? This is getting really stupid.
Don't let it get out. First, others might come looking for her. Second, it might give her the big head.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 15:48:30 GMT -8
Very good point. Goodbye, dear lady. It is too bad that the media dogs used you badly in the end.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 16:07:58 GMT -8
I went to the local Tom Thumb supermarket today to have a look around. I wasn't sure what to expect, but people's stupidity was evident. The whole aisle of paper products such as toilet paper, paper towels, tissues, etc. was stripped bare. Most of the fresh chicken seemed to have been bought and a fair amount of other meats as well. While not empty, the fresh vegetables' area was as low on produce as I have ever seen it. There was plenty of bottled water and other products.
A friend and I were trying to figure out the hording of toilet paper and he could only guess that people thought the situation was "shitty." Sorry!
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 16:17:06 GMT -8
I did a quick check and according to the CDC, about 160,000 people died of chronic lower respiratory disease and about 60,000 people of flu and pneumonia during 2017 in the USA.
Given the first number, I am wondering how many of the Wuhan flu deaths are really COPD deaths.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 14, 2020 16:56:33 GMT -8
The real surprise is that so many people seem to have stocked up on fresh foods, which don't last forever even in the refrigerator. Were canned and bottled goods similarly cleaned out?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 17:36:54 GMT -8
I was surfing the over-the-air channels and every major local channel had a news program obsessing on the Armageddon Virus.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 17:39:01 GMT -8
This whole thing is turning into a sort of dark Monty Python sketch.
"Here's 82-year-old Mr. Horndecker of 1 Hampstead Lane Nursing Home. He's trying hard not to be seen by the media."
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 17:43:33 GMT -8
That surprised the hell of of me too. My brother noted also that flour, eggs, butter, and other basic cooking essentials were wiped out. He said, “But who cooks from scratch anymore?” Apparently someone does.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 14, 2020 18:00:26 GMT -8
Flour might be a surprise. Eggs and butter can be used by anyone who doesn't eat out, and who does that on weekend mornings? Elizabeth did make pancakes from scratch, as I recall, though not other baked goods. But we certainly used butter and eggs, though even in retirement we only had one regular cooked breakfast a week (on Saturdays). Partly that was because I had long eaten sandwiches at breakfast (usually at 10 a.m. or so), which we eventually did 4 days a week. (We also had cereal on Wednesdays and bagels and cream cheese on Sundays.)
At the nursing home it's different, as is the timing. I have sausage or bacon every breakfast, and usually scrambled eggs and some breadstuff. (When we have French toast or pancakes, I don't have the eggs.)
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Post by timothylane on Mar 14, 2020 18:16:47 GMT -8
The Yellow Jester has (like Trump) appointed a panel to advise him on the Wuhan flu (as Demagogues, they consider it racist to point out that it started in Wuhan now that Trump has done so). It's headed by the infamous Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Dead Fish Rahm.
You may remember that Dead Senior Zeke believes that healthcare should be apportioned on the basis of how much people have ahead of them, thus favoring the young while expected the old to just die. (Can you say Richard Lamm? I wonder how many even here remember him.) In fact, DSZ thinks people should just die off at 75. And how he's giving medical advice to a senile 77-year-old.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 19:20:34 GMT -8
I didn't walk every aisle, but it didn't look as though canned and bottled goods were cleaned out. I got some pickle relish and raspberry jam, honey, mayo, cold cuts, salsa, chips, soft drinks, vitamins and probiotics among other things. The stocks were slightly lower than normal for each of these except the cold cuts, chips, mayo, jam and relish. I saw no shortage of soft drinks, sauces, canned goods or dairy products.
One thing that was interesting about the low stock of vegetables, was that it was the green vegetables which are stored around the wall and misted that were basically gone. These are exactly the vegetables that spoil fastest. There were plenty of onions, tomatoes and other vegetables sold in the middle of the department as well as bananas, apples, pineapples, oranges and other fruit. These last longer so I don't know why they were not taken first.
Exactly. It is a pain. I turned on the late news and they took up the first 10-15 minutes talking about some aspect or another of the Wuhan flu. The news media seems to be made up of parrots who can only repeat what they have heard. I don't know if I have heard the term, but I think "News Whores" would be appropriate.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 20:22:53 GMT -8
If this develops as hoped, it would take a lot of the sting out of the Wuhan flu.
The company would also make a fortune.
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Post by timothylane on Mar 14, 2020 20:56:36 GMT -8
The link didn't work. I tried multiple times and it just came back to your article. But if the point is that some company is ready to test a vaccine, then they can certainly hope to do well and decrease the panic -- provided the vaccine actually works and is safe enough. That will take some time to establish.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 21:37:26 GMT -8
I just came back from Winco after a late-night run. Clearly they had restocked but were still out of the things they were out of yesterday. Funny how the fruit section is pretty much wiped out although the had some green grapes and apples…and not much else.
Here’s the thing to keep in mind. There is only one relevant piece of information: What is the percentage of people who have been infected by the Armageddon Virus who have died?
You can already see the media playbook (herdbook). Every death is going to be a big news report (and not, as you guys mentioned, those who recovered).
Is this the new normal? Imagine if news crews freaked out at deaths caused by pneumonia every day of every year. Or other flus. Or heart attacks. Or drownings. Or suicides. Or had a “killed in car crash” body-count news ticker.
Unless the virus is 2% fatal or above, it is a flu season, maybe a harder one. We just don’t know. I’ve seen no credible figures. And the irony (as some of you mentioned) of all this emphasis on testing is bizarre. Testing people doesn’t do anyone any good.
I did notice one humorous thing. Forbes had an article on Apple News with the headline “The 10 Best Travel Shows to Quaranstream Right Now.”
Great word.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 21:43:56 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 21:49:18 GMT -8
Trump ought to be on the hotline with this company in preparation for cutting red tape.
A Gold Medal to this commenter:
And I love this guy's sense of humor:
Someone rig up a new rimshot for this one:
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 14, 2020 21:51:43 GMT -8
The more people who are tested, the more people will have it. It is like saying the more people who eat, the more people will be fat. But there are three groups of people it does a lot of good for.
1. The media whose motto has long been, "If it bleeds it leads."
2. The health bureaucracy. The more people who have it, the more important the bureaucrats appear to be.
3. The Dims. Anything that hurts America at this moment is favored by them to defeat Trump.
This group, particularly 1 and 3 don't give a damn at the pain and destruction they are spreading.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 21:55:38 GMT -8
Good points, Mr. Kung. I realize that being able to diagnose something is extremely central to the medical profession. But all this “test, test, test” stuff out of that mouth of the clown, Pelosi, is so lame. “Cure, cure, cure,” for sure though.
And I do think it’s clear now that the media is using this to try to turn this into a Hurricane Katrina for Trump. But unlike the wimpy George W., Trump isn’t going to sit there and take it so I don’t think it will stick.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 14, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -8
Love this comment as well:
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