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Apr 20, 2020 7:21:07 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 20, 2020 7:21:07 GMT -8
Spoilers. Blah blah blah. Read the book. I thought Dark Sacred Night was pretty good despite the chick in it, Detective Renée Ballard. She goes swimming every morning but beyond that, she doesn’t have the gritty-cop charism that Bosch has. But when they worked together on this case (particularly in trying to find Daisy’s killer), it worked. But there’s no Detective Renée Ballard (at least through episode eight) in season six. So (spoilers…blah blah blah), it’s not Ballard who puts herself in great danger to find out if this one guy may be Daisy's killer. I wonder if they’ll throw onto Bosch some of what happened to her…and then will J Edgar come to the rescue?
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Apr 23, 2020 16:06:20 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 23, 2020 16:06:20 GMT -8
I finished season 6 of Bosch. The first 7 episodes flowed more or less pretty well. I thought the series then fell off a cliff in episodes 8, 9, and 10.
The J Edgar storyline was a complete bust. The Daisy one was so much better in the book, I’m not sure why they bothered with it. But I did like the Irving storyline of him running for mayor. And I like the one chick from the group who recognizes only common law. She was the quality guest-actor of the bunch. And she was dangerous.
I think it was clear that they had about 6 episodes worth of material and tried to stretch it to ten. Titus Welliver was reliable as usual but he really didn’t have much going on. I would have gotten rid of a couple of those storylines and concentrate on fleshing out one or two of them better.
And, actually, as much as she can be annoying, they didn’t do much with Maddie working with the ambulance-chasing lawyer, Honey Chandler. I think they could have had something much more interesting going there if they would have stayed with it. But it was all touched on so superficially.
The other touch-of-class character was Amy Aquino as Lt. Grace Billets. She was superb and her storyline was pretty good. She was the best of the bunch. And underused.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 23, 2020 18:00:47 GMT -8
Since my earlier posting, I have read;
"Blue on Black"
"Switchblade"
"Angle of Investigation"
"The Crossing"
The first two are short stories, the third is a collection of 3 short stories, the last of which delves into some history of Bosch just after he joined the LAPD. The fourth title is one of Connelly's better Bosch novels. I do not recall Bosch or anyone else doing something completely out of character or unbelievably stupid just to push the story along.
The novel takes place just after Bosch has been pushed out of the LAPD and he has little to do. His half-brother, Mickey Haller, is defense council for someone convicted of murdering a local city-government employee. Haller convinces Bosch to help him determine if the accused man actually committed the murder or not. Harry feels like a traitor to the men in blue, but as the story progresses, maybe he has the wrong idea about loyalty.
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Apr 23, 2020 19:03:44 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 23, 2020 19:03:44 GMT -8
I totally agree about The Crossing. It would be tempting to tell a Bosch neophyte to start here. But Im very sure it would enhance the novel by first having some sense of Bosch first.
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Apr 23, 2020 19:10:44 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 23, 2020 19:10:44 GMT -8
Although they are removed by many years from "The Crossing" I believe it would help the new Bosch reader to start with "The Black Echo." I would then follow Connelly's order and read "The Black Ice" and "The Concrete Blond." By that time, the reader will know Harry Bosch.
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Apr 23, 2020 19:43:51 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 23, 2020 19:43:51 GMT -8
I also read "The Closers" last week. It was good, but I liked "The Crossing" better. One thing I will say about Connelly is that he apparently has a somewhat jaundiced view of the police.
Lee Child has an equally jaundiced view of the FBI and other government agencies.
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Apr 24, 2020 6:56:10 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 24, 2020 6:56:10 GMT -8
Mr. Flu, I’m impressed by, even a bit intimidated by, the voraciousness of your reading. I know this isn’t a competition, but if it was, I’d throw in the towel. You (and Artler) have been awarded the I Know More About Bosch Than You Do award. This is (or should be) more prized than the Oscar which is handed out by a bunch of libtards on the basis of how politically correct you are.
I hope people take your advice and read some of those novels you suggested. Having worked as a beat writer, including three years at the Los Angeles Socialist Times, it shouldn’t be surprising if Connelly has a somewhat jaundiced view toward the police.
My own thoughts are that he probably soft-pedaled it a bit (things are much worse than portrayed) in order to have better access to the police. I just assume he did lots of interviews with cops and ex-cops, went on lots of ride-alongs, etc. As Artler said, if you want to see realistic policing, Bosch novels are a good avenue. And so I had always assumed (perhaps wrongly) that he had strong ties with the police.
At the end of the day, his main character is a man who is decidedly non-namby-pamby, is not easily intimidated by bureaucracy or swayed by careerism, and simply wants to do what is right and is willing to take great risks in order to do so. Although Connolly can’t get past his own political correctness, he does bring to life a more-or-less standard American male hero.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 24, 2020 8:39:00 GMT -8
I think Mrs. Kung is less impressed as I read a lot in bed. Luckily, I have one of those little clip-on lights which I can use on my Kindle.
Reading before going to sleep has become such a habit over the last 50+ years that I feel odd if I don't get, at least, a few pages in before turning off the light.
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Apr 24, 2020 9:11:34 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 24, 2020 9:11:34 GMT -8
My habit it is to read a little in the armchair before going to bed. I usually get in a half hour or longer. Right now I’m reading another Charles Todd book, Legacy of the Dead. I admit to being a glutton for punishment in regards to Inspector Ian Rutledge. A few weeks ago I finished another Ian Rutledge novel, Hunting Shadows. It more or less held together (for a Charles Todd novel). With Charles Todd, he has a way of writing that is readable. It’s his plots that typically suffer from burn-out, sometimes fairly early in the novel. But I pick up (or try) so many novels from various authors, many of which I can’t stay with for over two paragraphs. I mean, the writing is so obviously drenched in disinterest that I just can’t bare to go on. In Legacy of the Dead (typical of a Todd novel), he gets right to it. So although I’m quite sure this novel with run into the ditch at some point, sometimes the ditch is not so deep. I think Connelly has the same thing going. He’s basically readable although sometimes his plotting can be tedious. But each paragraph, by and large, is not like trying to walk through a fly-paper tangle of ill-considered thinking.
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May 18, 2020 20:55:06 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 18, 2020 20:55:06 GMT -8
Since my last post, I have delved further into Harry Bosch and Mickey Haller. I read:
The Last Coyote
Trunk Music
Angels Flight
The Overlook
The Lincoln Lawyer
The Fifth Witness
The first four are Harry Bosch novels and the last two are Mickey Haller novels.
I think of the four Bosch novels I enjoyed "Angels Flight" the most. It deals with the murder of an opportunistic "civil-rights" lawyer who targets the LAPD and has been successful at making the LAPD look bad and himself looking like a saint in the black community. Needless to say, there are no saints here. It looks like someone in the Robbery-Homicide Division has assassinated the man and Harry is called out to investigate it by Chief Irving.
Of the Mickey Haller books, I guess I liked "The Fifth Witness" the most. Connelly does an exceptional job of creating a certain type of woman who all men want to avoid. Lisa Trammel. Her character is worth the read about a truly dislikeable bitch.
After having read numerous Harry Bosch novels, I have come to the conclusion that the Bosch character is a total fake. There is simply no way such a disruptive and obnoxious character could last so long in a large bureaucracy such as the LAPD. He continually assaults fellow detectives and disobeys direct orders from his superiors. Yes, he is thrown out a couple times, but I don't believe that such a man would have lasted 2 0r 3 years in the LAPD, much less 2 or 3 decades, regardless how talented an investigator he was. Bureaucracies do not tolerate such people whatever their talents.
I have not made up my mind on Haller, but he is less than real as well.
Of course, this is one of the drawbacks to "literature and drama," particularly modern "realism." For example, unlike Haggard's stories, which are complete escapism, novels like those Connelly has written purport to mirror our society. Frankly, he is just another PC asshole who must preach about social justice throughout his books.
Unfortunately, the public does not want to read about normal people who go through life doing normal things. The public wants to read about adventure and unusual people who are nothing like them. As long as the public doesn't begin to believe the fantasies presented as "genuine", we are ok, but I fear too many people are somehow drawn in by drama and believe the nonsense which is presented instead of understanding how fake it is. In any case, the PC propaganda is always there to be absorbed.
That is not to say Connelly can't write, he can, but I am finding his overall tenor disingenuous. I will now get off of my hobby horse.
I also read a couple of other books in the meantime and have this to say about them.
1. The Hangman's Sonnet-This is part of the Jesse Stone series started by Robert Parker. Parker died some years back and they have kept publishing Jesse Stone stories written by others. If this book is any indication of the rest, I suggest the reader skip all Jesse Stone novels printed after Parker's death.
2. Front Runner-The is a book connected to the Dick Francis franchise, which generally deals with horses, jockeys and criminals. Dick's son, Felix, now writes the books. The book was not bad, but the ending was somewhat lame and the hero had temporary lapses of almost fatal stupidity which were-well-almost fatal. That said, I may try another one of Felix's attempts and see how it goes.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2020 6:56:33 GMT -8
Wow. You have been a busy beaver regarding your reading. That’s most excellent, Mr. 1984 Flu. Regarding Bosch, it’s interesting watching Connelly thread the needle between political correctness and writing a more Dirty Harryesque character.
Given today’s climate, it seems likely that a Bosch wouldn’t last five minutes in the LAPD. That said, he does tend to move around a lot, eventually ending up in the small-town San Fernando Police Department where he is all but exiled, but tolerated because he’s so damn useful at solving crimes.
I’m surprised the books are as good as they are. Obviously his writing is constrained by catering to political correctness. A more outspoken and grittier narrative would have been much more interesting to read. I think that’s why his offshoot female charter is so dreadfully dull. She’s female. What else is there to write?
I got about 35% into Trunk Music and then my check-out time expired. Do you think I should finish it?
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May 19, 2020 7:11:10 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2020 7:11:10 GMT -8
I’m still looking for interesting detective stories. I had to give up on my latest Ian Rutledge book ( Legacy of the Dead). It had started well, but the writer just has little sense of story. I picked up a book by Adrian McKinty titled Police at the Station and They Don't Look Friendly. The problem was that the writing style was so flippant. I don’t mind smart-aleck cops or private eyes. But there’s only so much yuck-yucking I can take from a main character. I probably don’t like these stories because as one Amazon viewer writes about that McKinty book: “because the story is written with such warmth and is so tongue-in-cheek, rather than being a sombre, gruesome and miserable read, it's all rather a fun-filled hoot.” I certainly don’t want a “miserable read,” but all that yuck-yucking gets to be too much and, for me, makes it miserable. And I’m not talking about the dark humor that cops or firefighters are known for. I’m talking about an unserious author inserting Captain Marvel into what otherwise should be a more serious work. I don’t mind the relief of a little dark humor. Some of these books (a had to set one down because of it — The Yard by Alex Grecian) become way too dark and serious. I tried to finish it but couldn’t. It’s dull and inane but from an opposite pole. So I guess with Bosch, Connelly strikes a better balance than most authors. He’s way too PC, but you can see how some sections are momentary enlivened when the characters note the PC aspect of something. Unfortunately, Connelly isn’t brave enough to do much of this. I wouldn’t mind being inserted into a PC environment as long as the author lets us in on the fact that it’s all so stupid and bizarre. Connolly doesn’t quite do that enough for my taste. But the “unrealistic” character of Bosch makes it easy to cut him some slack. He puts his head down, shoulders back, and trudges on, driven by a sense of justice (not “social justice”). And that’s extremely rare in any book written in the last 20 years.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2020 9:05:06 GMT -8
Joseph Campbell was certainly no conservative. And overall I would have to call him a useful idiot, at best, for the Left. But he did try to do an objective look at mythology and what it means for human societies and individual lives.
I know it’s horribly insulting to ascribe “mythology” to any belief, including religious belief, because “mythology” has come to mean “fabricated.” But Campbell, to his credit, goes much deeper than that. Basically, he might say, whatever is ultimately true is one thing. But “ultimate truth” is a little hard for human beings to grasp, particularly because we don’t have the powers of perception to grasp it with much clarity.
But deep concepts do seep in via our mythology. Whether that mythology is grounded in real people and events, or is instead analogous (such as the Garden of Eden, for example), there is (or can be) a truth within the mythology, which might well indeed connect back to ultimate truth — seeing through a glass darkly.
So with that in mind, we might look at our present circumstances regarding Leftists and Progressives as a case of them living by their own particular mythology. And certainly something being a mythology doesn’t mean it’s inherently good and contains ultimate truths. I think it’s obvious there is bad mythology as well, and that the Left is full of it.
But these myths do provide a framework for people to live by. It is not wrong (as you noted by an article you recently posted) to see cultish behavior in the doubling-down by some to wear a mask despite increasing evidence that they not only do no good but likely do harm. The same with locking down society. This cult is guided by certain myths.
Connolly is steeped in the mythology of the Left. Despite that, he is somehow able to imagine a character of virtue, guts, determination, and a sense of real (not fake) justice. That he lathers so much of his prose with PC is possibly something he’s not even aware of. He’s inside the myth, not outside of it looking in as we are.
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May 19, 2020 9:22:16 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 19, 2020 9:22:16 GMT -8
Although I thought the plot and story got somewhat overly elaborate, I kept going to the end and I think it was worth it. There is a very violent scene in which an avenging devil steps up and clears the board. It may be an unlikely scene but it is powerful.
I am of two minds on Bosch. He is an odd ball and something of a monomaniac, with some characteristics which make him interesting. On the other hand, he is an odd ball and something of a monomaniac with some characteristics which make him stupid and self-destructive.
I know plenty of us can be stupid and self-destructive, but we are not that while being a top cop.
This goes to my point about the impossibility of him lasting in a bureaucracy such as the LAPD. Bosch is simply an asshole much of the time. He insults and offends virtually everyone he works with at one time or another for no particular reason. He has little self-control. Such people do not last in large organizations. Such people are not successful as they don't work well with others and when one is employed by a large organization, one has no choice but to work with others if one wants to last.
I am not talking about being PC here. I am talking about someone who is a crank. Such a character fits more in the private detective mold.
This has made me reconsider my views regarding Harry Bosch and Jack Reacher. While Connelly is a better writer, I now believe that Jack Reacher is a more honest character in that he is a stereotype from the beginning. He is something like Superman who comes into a situation to clean it up and move on. Nobody reading the Reacher novels could mistake him for being a realistic character.
Bosch on the other hand, is presented to us as something of an "everyman," a guy who is not out of the ordinary except that he had an extraordinarily lousy childhood and is now in the LAPD. None of us could be Jack Reacher, but we could all be Harry Bosch. (By the way, no one would name their kid Hieronymus so that is also fake) This pretension is dishonest. None of us could get away with the crap that Harry gets away with. In this sense, Connelly is just another peddler of leftist nonsense which tells us that our actions don't have consequences. Yes, yes, Harry finally gets the boot from the LAPD, but only because reality somehow finally dawns on Connelly.
In a word, Lee Child does not pretend that Jack Reacher is real. Michael Connelly does pretend that Harry Bosch is true to life. Reacher is honest, Connelly is not.
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May 19, 2020 10:05:06 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2020 10:05:06 GMT -8
Okay. When that comes off “hold,” I’ll pick it up again. Thanks.
It’s nice to be challenged trying to put some find-grained perceptions into words. There is indeed something odd, possibly dishonest, about the Bosch character quite apart from whether or not he would survive LAPD’s bureaucracy.
He’s a man willing to face danger….but can’t bare to tell his Snowflake daughter anything harsh. Maybe Connolly should be credited here with his realism, but such things tend to put discrepancies in Bosch’s character.
I have to admit, I think Bosch’s character was very well written during his time working in the San Fernando Police Department. It was as if the pressure was off and he could just be himself. He was accepted for being somewhat of an oddball (by LAPD standards) and left to do his job, and called on when needed. But he was finally respected for his skill and determination.
It perhaps shows that Connolly could have easily spun off Bosch as a private eye years ago…and possibly should have. Perhaps we’re all longing for more of a “Bosch unbound.” That’s why I loved his work with his half-brother, especially when Bosch was working for the defense.
But, yeah, some of the storyline involving women are weak and not particularly interesting. Still, I know I cut Connolly a lot of slack simply because I have a hard time finding anything decent to read.
Clearly Connolly throws in a few Character McGuffins….just to move the plot along. One of the books ends with him assaulting a superior. The next book picks up (I think) with him coming off suspension. I think it’s perhaps hard for Connolly to write a conservative character through anything more than the lens of stereotype, at least at times. Maybe in his mind, people who are conservatives are all boiling with anger and waiting to lash out. I don’t know. But if they were in a PC atmosphere like the LAPD, it would be normal to be boiling with anger. Unfortunately, Connolly’s palette is too narrow to write introspectively about this. It would be fun to get inside Bosch’s head about the nonsense. But all we get is an unpredictable punch in the wall. It’s a cheat and I think you detect that aspect, Mr. 1984 Flu.
I do know that I’ve mostly enjoyed what I’ve read and am pretty much done with the series, perhaps Trunk Music excepted. Famous last words. I keep going back to the Ian Rutledge series hoping against hope that this time the author won’t get bogged down in fine-toothed introspection by Rutledge about who might have done what and why. Instead of moving the plot along, you get mired in this sort of stuff. And I finally had to pull the plug on the latest book (the second time I’ve done that with one of his books, a couple others I wished I had done so earlier).
It’s like (mea culpa) getting on the internet (or a Kevin Williamson or Jonah Goldberg article) and trying to cut through the thick weeds of a guy too enamored with the sound of his own voice (or writing). My approach (however fallible I am implementing it) is to try to relate an idea to another and not just engage in narcissistic writing.
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May 19, 2020 10:06:55 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 19, 2020 10:06:55 GMT -8
I have this series by Campbell in one of my book boxes, but I have to admit that I have not read them all. Maybe this would be a good time to start, but I have gone back to Durant's History of Civilization and just started his "The Age of Reason." So Joseph will have to wait.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 19, 2020 10:15:40 GMT -8
Bingo! I agree 100% with you. I wondered whether that was that a function of Connelly trying to show a maturing Bosch or that Connelly was becoming a better writer.
Perhaps my reading order of the Bosch novels has jaded me. As I had to check them out from the library electronically I did not read them in the order they were published. I started with the first 2 or 3 then moved to the latter novels when he was in the San Fernando PD. I then went to some of the middle books and that is when I got pretty fed up with the character.
I believe the Harry Bosch of the very early novels and the San Fernando books is more believable than the Bosch of the middle novel.
Of course, the fact that I have read so many Bosch novels in such a short time may have soured me on the character, a bit, as well. Or maybe it has just given me a quick unvarnished look at the character and not allowed me to forget the dishonesty while waiting a year for the next book to come out.
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May 19, 2020 10:22:30 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 19, 2020 10:22:30 GMT -8
Take the shortcut. Watch the series with Bill Moyers, although I can’t find it anywhere for free. You can stream the episodes here for $14.99 for the six episodes. I’ve watched the series (more than once) and have read one of his books. It might be unfair to sum up the series, but one could say that most of it is about the exposition of individual myths with the "acedemic" gloss thrown on top talking about commonalities. But clearly the star of the show is story-telling. And some of the stories are quite engaging. But after having watched the series, what do I actually bring home from it? That’s where it gets difficult. This is an academic, although an engaging one, talking about something he’s enthralled with but otherwise doesn’t participate in. It’s like a scientist dissecting a frog. It’s interesting on some level, but the frog is dead. And because he’s mainly involved in deconstructing tradition, there’s only so much nourishment to be found. However, were he living today and deconstructing the mythology of the Left, I’m sure I would find that highly interesting.
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May 19, 2020 10:25:45 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 19, 2020 10:25:45 GMT -8
Thanks for reminding me of that series. I did not see all of it, but did catch one or two episodes, as I recall. That was a long time ago.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 19, 2020 19:27:22 GMT -8
I am beginning to recall why I did not read any fiction for many years. Very few books of fiction are satisfying and I find most I have started are a down-right waste of time.
Once I bought my Kindle, I could down load some of the old classics, which I had not already read, or even re-read the writings of authors I enjoyed. But I would have to say the main reason I started reading a fair amount of fiction again is that the Kindle is lighter than most history books, the print is larger and it is easier to clip a small reading light to the Kindle than to my books. I also have to say that when I read fiction, I generally make notations or highlight sentences and I find it easier to do this in a book than on a Kindle. Finding my notations in a book is also easier for me.
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